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bruss01
Adviser Group Joined: January 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 448 |
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Folks, let's not forget the flip side of the coin... Ok, so we're into week 3 of the pandemic. Things are scary but you're doing ok because you and most of your neighbors prepped and are locked down tight. But then the unthinkable happens - one of those typical "could happen to anyone" home accidents. Someone is hurt and you need help, so you run next door to the neighbors and pound on the door. The neighbor answers with a shotgun and a stern serious look, and tells you to get the hell off his porch. Be aware that people, even people you have known, liked and trusted for years... they may be scared stiff and paranoid beyond reason, and likely not happy to see you if you come calling. Think before you act, put your self in the other person's shoes and be prepared to cut them a LOT of slack. Accidents happen, especially to people who are under stress, not getting sleep or enough to eat, etc - be VERY careful around them if they are armed - they might not mean you any harm but they could slip up easily, with tragic results. |
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TNbebo408
Adviser Group Joined: December 10 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 295 |
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Bruss, VALID point, glad it's too far for me to run to my neighbors.
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Hi. Anybody own any of the Springfield XD's? Local shop has not to examine, only order. I had the chance to shoot one at a range this week and like very much (Xd40). Does anybody know if this weapon has a decock? I only saw trigger and grip safetys....anyway to "safe" the weapon with a chambered round or does it have to be unloaded and cleared only? Thanks for any info. |
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bruss01
Adviser Group Joined: January 12 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 448 |
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Bannor, We have one in 9mm. The XD series uses the identical frame for the 9mm, .40 and .357 sig models. The XD has a loaded chamber indicator and a cocked status indicator for operator awareness. There is a trigger safety similar to the ones on the Glock, and there is also a grip safety, which not only prevents firing but also prevents the slide being pushed out of battery or cycled unless it is depressed. There is no decocking mechanism. In the XD, the trigger only releases the firing mechanism which is presumably under tension from the act of cycling the slide, which loads the chamber. If there were some means of releasing tension on the striker, the only way to re-cock it would be to cycle the action, thus ejecting the unfired round in the chamber. Because the trigger really only has one function, the trigger tends to be very light and nice. I have a Ruger P345D (decock without manual safety) which has an external 1911 type hammer and I keep it with one in the chamber, hammer down. It can be decocked with a round in the chamber... pulling the trigger in decocked mode with a round in the chamber cocks and then releases the hammer, firing the round. It has no other safety features. Do you have a preference regarding safeties in your auto pistols? I feel comfortable with both models... I think I prefer the decock-long-trigger-pull-first-shot system. If it had a grip safety, that would be even better to my way of thinking. Having said that, I really like the XD, it is a fine piece of design and workmanship. Comments? |
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John G
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Interesting scenario. First, here in Florida deadly force is used if you are in reasonble fear of iminent danger to you or your family. There is no need to retreat. A kid with a crazed look is not enough. A kid with a crazed look and a bat or knife, thats another story. In all likelihood you will not have a loan assailant, since cowards like to travel in packs. In that case, and assuming your shot only stopped him, but did not kill him, let his buddies take care of him. Under NO circumstances are you justified in "finishing him off". The legal definition of that is Murder!! If he is alone and wounded, you have a legal duty to render aid, but not a duty to expose yourself and your family to further danager, from virus or otherwise. Act as circumstances dictate. If he is still armed, stay away from him and attempt to call authorities, if available. If not a direct threat (no longer armed) then you may want to offer a towel or something to assist him with stopping the blood flow, but no duty to actually touch him and expose yourself to infection. If dead and no one available to get the body, remove the body as far from the home as possible (I would take a picture before hand as evidence of how close he was when I fired). I would use a rope around the feet, etc. and drag him as far as I could, followed by careful washing with bacteria soap, etc. and change of clothes before re-entering the home. Stay safe but stay legal. The pandemic will pass and then we will all be second guessed as to our actions. |
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PATB
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There a one or two neighbors in conflict...drag the person into their yard..
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I can't believe the number of people here willing to murder another person. Means, Opportunity, Intent to inflict serious bodily harm or lethal force against you or other innocent persons. If you don't meet that definition at ANYPOINT in the encounter for each and every shot fired, including killing them once they are down and no longer meet the definition then you are committing a crime. Just because there is a pandemic does not give anybody the right to sniper people at 400 yards because they stepped foot on your property, nor does it give you the right to kill someone because they met the definition and are now wounded and you don't want to touch them.
It is scary to think that most of you own firearms and have such disregard for human life and the law. |
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Bruss01- regarding your 50/50 (bleach/water) solution you can save some of your valuable supplies by remembering that a 1 to 10 soultion of bleach and water is the magic number. Yes I know that we live in America and "Bigger is Better", but you are not going to kill any more cooties with a higher concentration than 1/10. While working as a Ghetto Medic we always did the 50/50 mixture and all that we succeded in doing was to rot the aluminum frames on the stretchers, peel the flooring up off of the floor and eventually melting the seams on the matress pads.
NOTE to ALL: You MUST mix bleach with water to create chlorine gas, this is what kills the cooties! Straight bleach does nothing without water added to it. Clots, snot and other chunks need to be removed prior to actual decontamination, then use your disinfectant or bleach solution and allow to air dry, or follow what the manufacture has recommended. |
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Credibility is like virginity, once it is gone- it is gone forever.
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Can you even buy straihjt bleach? All the bleach in the store is a 6% mixture of bleach and water.
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I am going to sit his butt down in a kitchen chair and duct tape him to it and then explain to him, while I pick my teeth with a knife, why I hate my mother and how much he reminds me of her.
Or make him paint my house. |
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Phone call to emergency
Caller.......I was out hunting with my buddy and i shot him and I think hes dead Emergency......make sure hes dead. Caller .....OK........GUNSHOT.......Yep He's dead |
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kilt,
I laughed hard over that, thanks! |
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i would make sure I shot him again quick.
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randyb
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If I was forced to use deadly force to prtect my family and I manage to 'give them a non fatal injury" and the police are not there to cart them to jail....Well lets see option one:\
1. Adopt him as a pet. To feed and water and nurse back to health....so he can try to kill us again? Not a good choice. Food does not come out of my kids mouths to feed someone who threatened us.
2. Finish him off. Well if a LEO isn't going to help that means civil authority in not in place, so EMS is not likely to take him to the hospital either.
3. I might let him limp off. Wait he might come back with friends and revenge in his mind. Hmm... Not exactly comforting to know that someone may come back after my family, esp. if I become sick and cannot protect them.
4. Wound him and let my neighbors finish him off. Now that is a plan!
The bottom line is that too many variables exist to say "This is what I'm 100% sure I'll do". My reading of the question and the picture of what that would entail would be similar the settlers being attacked by the natives. Quarter was not asked nor given. That is a scary thoguth but one that I would believe plausable in your question.
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trucker110
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i think if i was in a position bad enough to point a gun at someone it would be them or me (or my family) and i think i would shoot to kill not to scare someone or hurt someone
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PATB
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regarding "can't belive you could shoot another person...
Think about this real event: Every Sunday I go to the mall to meet one son...except for last Sunday. I was stayed home to rest. There was a gang shooting with three people (including the gang member)shot..not 50ft from our usual meeting booth! My one thought was I would not carry my weapon in the mall because of close quarters. Now I will go out and buy Glazzer shells that stop at first impact. I got the message. |
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You mean "Glaser."
And though they have amazing performance against most targets, you're not going to be able to shoot through glass (like car windows) etc. This is fantastic for those of us that live in human hive cities and don't want to shoot our sleeping kids through walls. If the person is wearing a thick jacket the bullet will deform and break open in the jacket, negating it's internal frangiable ballistics. (In English: It probably won't kill them and be like shooting someone with snake shot) I shot a couple roadstruck deer with them and was amazed with their performance. In the first case I shot the deer in the head. The best way to describe it is that its head turned inside out. This caused much consternation with both the sergeant and I. The second I shot in the standard place, behind the right leg in the vitals. It died almost instantly. As long as you take their drawbacks into account the Glaser Safety Slug is a very good choice. There is, however, legality issues. In my off duty conceal weapon I use the exact same bullets as my duty ones. I also highly recommend that you find out exactly what bullets your local police force uses and use them too. That way, in the unfortunate event you have to shoot someone, the opposing lawyer will not be able to use that against you. Basically if you shoot someone, even if it's a legal shoot, you're going to spend time in court. The family of the dirtbag that attacked you is going to sue you for a wrongful death suit, and their attorney is going to do their best to make you out to be a half cocked monster. If you have bullets that literally explode on impact in your gun, doesn't that lend a little credence to his case. While I'm all for super incapacitation with one hit, I'm also all for staying out of Nasty Nate's Playpen, and not having to pay loads of cash to the family of some dirtbag who tried to attack you. That's the best advice I can give you regarding Glasers. |
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