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    Posted: October 10 2015 at 8:32am
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Erdogan is a Sunni Muslim,

Daesh are Sunni.....!!!!!!!!

thats why the Turks dont like Russia taking on Daesh....

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Turkey has the Ukraine in the north, Iran in the east and Syria in the south. It has large minorities of Alewites (same religion as Assad) and Kurdish people. In some opinions Erdogan (Sunni AK party) is using IS to fight the Kurds (in Syria and Iraq) and rebuild some sort of Ottoman empire.

The Turkish Army want religion out of polotics-like Kemal Ataturk wanted (Ataturk introduced western script to replace arabic script, modernized Turkey and wanted Turkey to become more European). The ruling AK party wants more influence of (sunni) islam on state affairs. 

After elections the HDP (pro-kurdish/peace) became a major player but the AK party did not want to gevern with them. That is why november 1 there would be new elections. Erdogan might use these attacks as an excuse to delay elections and rule as almost a dictator.

International Turkey is a NATO member. IS is selling oil from Syria and Iraq via Turkey to raise money for their war. Erdogan is anti Assad but a lot of Turks would like better relations with the Arabic world (and the EU) for economic reasons. One-third of IS is Turkish, economicly IS would not exist without Turkey. http://www.globalresearch.ca/blast-shakes-ankara-just-in-time-to-justify-nato-incursion-into-syria/5481280
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how right you are  Dutch Josh
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http://www.todayszaman.com/national_questions-raised-as-death-toll-reaches-95-in-turkeys-deadliest-terror-attack_401231.html (censored news, Turkish press risking being sent to prison or getting killed doing their job !)

Another witness who came to Ankara from İzmir province to attend the peace rally called the blasts “a trap” designed and ignored deliberately by authorities. The female witness, who declined to be named for security reasons, told the Bugün daily: “Generally, buses carrying people to rallies are stopped by the police before they enter rally areas and people go through checks. However, this did not happen this time. This was actually a warning for us, but we did not understand it. We came and we got off the buses. We walked in groups and there were no police officers. Of course, the incident was designed in advance. It was a trap.”
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http://www.todayszaman.com/latest-news_turkish-prosecutor-says-strong-evidence-isil-cell-behind-bombings_402746.html

Turkish prosecutors cited strong evidence on Wednesday that an Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) cell in the southeastern city of Gaziantep carried out a spate of bombings culminating in a double suicide attack that killed more than 100 people in Ankara.

In a written statement, the Ankara prosecutor's office said digital evidence indicated the Ankara bombers staged the attack, the worst of its kind in Turkish history, to undermine political stability and delay a parliamentary election set for Nov. 1.

"This group in Gaziantep took orders directly from the Daesh (ISIL) terror group in Syria and planned attacks across Turkey," the statement said.

"There is a strong evidence that the terrorist organisation (ISIL) carried out attacks on HDPbuildings in Mersin and Adana, the Diyarbakir rally bombing and the Suruç bombing," it said, referring to a string of attacks on the pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP).

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Erdogan (PM Turkey) putting on more censorship: http://www.todayszaman.com/anasayfa_black-day-for-turkish-media-todays-zaman-shows-solidarity-with-i-pek-group_402736.html

November 1 will be elections in Turkey. One of the reasons why Erdogan supports IS in Syria and Iraq is that IS fights the Kurds. Basicly; Turkey was behind the bombing of several Kurdish demonstrations via IS.
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things just got very Bad,

a win for Erdogan = bad news for the west in the middle east......
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

Erdogan is a Sunni Muslim,

Daesh are Sunni.....!!!!!!!!

thats why the Turks dont like Russia taking on Daesh....

WAKE UP

Good call, and thanks for calling those slime "Daesh!"  

I hate it when they are called "Isis!"  ISIL is the correct term, but Daesh is preferable.  
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Erdogan is the outcome of a proces, the result of earlier choises. Turkey wanted to become a EU-member. They were kept out in the 90's while other countries (Bulgaria, Romania-both with an economy and democracy not much better that that of Turkey, Poland) could join the EU. 

Just like Putin, I consider Erdogan a "democratic elected dictator". Both Russia and Turkey were frustrated in the last decade of the 20th century by "the west". In stead of co-operation on an equal bases they were "left out". 

Erdogan created chaos as an alternative for his presidency. Now he has to bring stability not only to Turkey but also to the region. 

I can't help comparing Putin, Erdogan to "strong man" we have seen earlier the 20th century. (They were also an outcome of a proces. There were "people of influence" that brought those "strong man" in their positions).
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Turkey election: OSCE says 'serious concerns' over vote

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AKP supporters celebrate in IstanbulImage copyrightAFPImage captionThere was jubilation among AKP supporters - but reports of clashes in the south-east

European observers have said violence marred the run-up to polls in Turkey in which the Justice and Development Party (AKP) regained its majority.

The OSCE said that an increase in violence, particularly in the south-east, "restricted some contestants' ability to campaign freely".

It also criticised curbs on media freedom.

Earlier Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on the world to respect the result of Sunday's election.

Meanwhile, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) went further and denounced the entire process as "unfair".

In a statement on Monday, Ignacio Sanchez Amor, head of the OSCE observer mission, said: "Physical attacks on party members, as well as the significant security concerns, particularly in the south-east" had affected campaigning.

He added that pressure on journalists - including a police raid on the Koza-Ipek media group in Istanbul last week - was a major concern.

"Unfortunately, the campaign for these elections was characterized by unfairness and, to a serious degree, fear," said Andreas Gross, Head of the PACE delegation.

Responding to reports of pressure on journalists, the White House spokesman John Earnest said the US had urged Turkey "to uphold universal democratic values."

Media captionThere has been violence in the Kurdish city of Diyarbakir, as Selin Girit reports

'Turkey together'

With almost all ballots counted, state-run Anadolu news agency said the AKP had won 49.4% of the vote, with the main opposition CHP on 25.4%.

President Erdogan hailed the result early on Monday, saying: "The national will manifested itself on 1 November in favour of stability."

But he also attacked media criticism of him and called for global recognition of the election result.

Gavin Hewitt: President's triumph leaves Turkey polarised

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Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu will now begin the process of forming a new government.

Mr Erdogan called the second general election this year after the AKP lost its parliamentary majority for the first time in 13 years in June, and attempts to form a coalition failed.

The pro-Kurdish HDP crossed the 10% threshold needed to claim seats in parliament, but it got 21 fewer seats than in June's election.

The nationalist MHP's share of the vote also declined, to 11.9%, and commentators suggested it had lost voters to the AKP.

Reported results also showed:

  • High voter turnout: More than 85% of the 54 million registered voters cast their ballots
  • A dramatic fall in the record number of female MPs elected in June
  • The AKP won 317 of the 550 seats in parliament- substantially more than the 276 it needed to form a government alone
  • However, the AKP fell short of the number of seats needed to call a referendum on changing the constitution and increasing the powers of the president

Clashes were reported in the mainly Kurdish city of Diyarbakir, in the south-east of Turkey, as the results were being counted. Reuters said police had fired tear gas at protesters throwing stones.

Since elections in June, a ceasefire between the Turkish army and militants from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) has collapsed.

Media captionErdogan's post-poll priorities

Critics have accused Mr Erdogan of renewing violence to curb support for the HDP - something the government denies.

HDP co-chair Selahattin Demirtas said on Sunday that it had not been "a fair or equal election".

The party suspended campaigning after a bombing in Ankara last month killed more than 100 people. The government said the attackers were linked to the Islamic State (IS) group.

Violence has escalated in Turkey since a suicide bombing in July by suspected IS militants.

The attack near the border with Syria killed more than 30 Kurds.


Contrasting responses in Turkish media

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, accompanied by his daughter Sumeyye Erdogan (second left), poses with his supporters as he leaves the Eyup Sultan mosque in Istanbul, Turkey, 2 November 2015Image copyrightReutersImage captionPresident Erdogan spoke to reporters after praying at a mosque in Istanbul early on Monday

Turkish newspaper front pages reflect the contrasting euphoria and gloomfrom government supporters and opponents at the election result.

"Ballot box revolution" declares Sabah, echoed by Aksam's "November revolution".

Pro-Islamist papers are equally jubilant, with Yeni Safak hailing a "magnificent victory", and Yeni Akit offering "congratulations to the Muslim world".

The independent mass-circulation Hurriyet and Milliyet focus on the scale of the ruling AKP's win.

Opposition papers accuse the authorities of scaring voters with the prospect of civil strife.

Cumhuriyet sees the "victory of fear", while the Sozcu tabloid thinks "terror has increased".

The left-wing daily Taraf accuses President Erdogan of using a "chaos plan" to whip up public insecurity, and the pro-Kurdish Ozgur Gundem predicts a "new era of struggle".

By BBC Monitoring

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