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Albert
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Anyone care to give a guess on the next numbers? I'm going with 2299 / 1226
Where you at cobber? Yes morbid little topic, I suppose it comes with the territory. - with Guinea not reporting of course |
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jacksdad
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That's a tough one. Depends whether the "China Syndrome" continues and numbers are reported based on real world numbers or political agendas.
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Albert
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Prediction just as the numbers being reported. Liberia and Sierra Leone are probably doing their best in reporting, but still probably only at about half of the reality. And of course Guinea stopped reporting altogether. Actual total cases are probably closer to 4,000 - 5,000. Keep in mind. Guinea is larger than Sierra Leone and Liberia combined, and Guinea is reporting nearly half the cases what they're reporting. You can easily assume 1200 - 1500 cases in Guinea.
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onefluover
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2411...1295 on the 19th
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If there is linear progression (at around 75 cases per day from the latest WHO report) and the CFR stays at around 55% then the figures are around 2355 cases and 1295 deaths.
With Ebola spreading there should be more cases, so I would guess around 2 400 cases and 1 320 deaths. |
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onefluover
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9,644 ...5,180
Reported and unreported, presumed. Are we taking bets? Hey Poly, how 'bout a pair a concrete tennis shoes? (I was in that movie.) |
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cobber
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Yep i'm sick and jaded...
2000 deaths September 9
on the 19th Aug i'm at 1265 |
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Albert
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New numbers come out tomorrow and first place still gets $50. I might have this one wrapped up.
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onefluover
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2308...1230 then on the 17th.
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11% increase...2360
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11% increase....2360
then this story came out Armed men attacked an Ebola isolation ward in the Liberian capital Monrovia overnight, prompting 29 patients to flee the facility, witnesses said Sunday (Aug 17). PHOTOS File photo: A staff member disinfects the premises outside a hospital in Liberia. (AFP/Zoom Dosso) Enlarge Caption MONROVIA: Armed men attacked an Ebola isolation ward in the Liberian capital Monrovia overnight, prompting 29 patients to flee the facility, witnesses said Sunday (Aug 17). "They broke down the doors and looted the place. The patients all fled," said Rebecca Wesseh, who witnessed the attack and whose report was confirmed by residents and the head of Health Workers Association of Liberian, George Williams. - AFP/xq 2360 +29 |
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Albert
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The numbers may jump pretty good. The WHO news regarding the number of cases being underestimated i believe is partially about prepping the public and media for a large increase.
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cobber
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Are you second guessing yourself Albert?
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Albert
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Cob - I am. When the numbers come out, that's the reason why I don't gamble.
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onefluover
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Well, my ante anyways is stashed under my coffee table in a box. The Beatles addition of Monopoly. I too expect that the WHO is soon going to come out with two sets of numbers. Or they will slowly feed estimated numbers into the verified totals. Which would really skew things as far as rythmatic predictions go. Unlike America and other developed countries, its impossible to keep a very accurate account over there anyway. Even the population estimate of 1.1 billion may be way off the mark.
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LOPPER
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2675 1290.
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newbie1
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TOO MANY!!!
I think that makes me an automatic winner! |
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jacksdad
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You might not want to celebrate yet. The prize is a timeshare in an exotic location. He won't say where, but Albert picked it up real cheap...
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2740. 1300
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WillobyBrat
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Never mind the nanosilver. The only cure for this outbreak starts with nano particles of aluminum and a big aeroplane.
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I like Ike
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onefluover
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Is that like a big grain silo? Oh. Never mind.
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Albert
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Get ready for a spike in cases from Guinea. They must be overwhelmed and at their breaking point.
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And where are those who are fleeing Guinea and it's ebola outbreak going hmm? This directly relates to the whether or not Ebola is contagious during the incubation period. If it's contagious during the incubation period there is not a chance in hell they will be able to contain it and keep it from spreading during the potentially long incubation period. |
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Albert
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The other problem is that they drop like flies and they can't go near the dead bodies. How long it survives in a dead human host is another question. Maybe they can approach the body after 1 week, or maybe it survives indefinitely in a dead host. Now that would be unique bordering on a zombie pandemic. Let the dead rot - and run fast.
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Well the thing is this strain of ebola is not "burning out" due to a long incubation period and a lower CFR than previous ebola outbreaks. This one is different and looks to have staying power as it overwhelms nation after nation in Africa. In the next week to two weeks we will see the direction this outbreak is going to go and IF it remains primarily on the African continent. |
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WillobyBrat
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Yes, under a C130 |
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I like Ike
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA "That" destination may make me feel I think I'll pass and stay home and hug a turkey! Thanks Jacksdad - I needed a good laff this am |
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Albert
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Well this isn't good. All chips about to be pulled off the table. I'll be a little surprised if we don't see a spike in Guinea cases causing the delay. The odds of Guinea having half the cases of Sierra Leone and Liberia are about the same odds as being bit by a great white shark while watching shark week on tv.
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Johnray1
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Albert,excellent advice.Johnray1
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1229 on the 16th
Very close Albert you said 1226 I'll pump out a graph cu soon
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cobber
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Messing around with the chart. I started the trend line later, because i think early data was patchy. As we have heard some early cases were not reported. This new line trend doubles every 30 days. The old one was 35 days. We'll keep tracking it with the two. |
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onefluover
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Now if Liberia would of just reported the 68 or so new cases that seem to be missing... then Albert wouldn't have just won the timeshare. |
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Albert
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You were pretty close too oneflu - Looks like I better start packing for my one week stay at the time share - in Sierra Leone.
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onefluover
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Hey just think though. At least we know you'll come back with some accurate information! Well, that is if you come back! Seriously though, they mention that Liberia's numbers are incomplete I think I just read. I figured after the recent revelations of "vastly" under reporting, they'd try to be more accurate or over estimate some numbers not less! Anyway, we're talking Africa and the WHO so I guess prepare for a bumpy ride. By the way. Good Morning everyone.
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I wish you a Good Afternoon Oneflu! Though it is a horid one here: rain and wind (I just lost my gazebo). The only good part is no ebola here, yet.
I don't have any news, just wanted to wish you good Afternoon. |
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onefluover
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Afternoon? Well thank you! Then Good Evening! I sometimes loose sight of how far away you really are. It just feels like we're all locals on here.
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Albert
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I'm going to go out on a limb here in guessing the next numbers: 2405 / 1322
I'm assuming Guinea is going to report around 50 + cases Winner gets an all expense paid African safari trip in Guinea. |
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10,000/3500 don't. wont win this one
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Albert
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oK - one more time. Apparently we may want to get them in early: 2752 / 1573
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Hi Guys, Ebola numbers have just been posted.
This is well above my high range predictions of 30 day doubling. Very scary! This would have the WHO in a panic for sure! I think its only a matter of time and this will hit western countries. Start getting ready for economic problems off the back of this |
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Albert
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well done
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Cobber, that's quite a graph. 3000 cases by 30th August! What happens in September?
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Just remaking my PC so i cant get to the Excel file. Huge rebuild...
Actually, you don't need an excel spread sheet.. This strain of Ebola doubles every month, so if you want to know some rough numbers. Take a calculator and punch in the current deaths or cases and times by two. That's the rough total, then for the next month. Times by two again and you have the next month total and so on. The number hit a million deaths by end of March 2015. This thing gets out of control very quickly!!!!!! |
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Thanks cobber, That is what I call simple maths!
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Yeah, thanks Cobber! Your graphs are interesting to look at and study and play with the curves and compare to simple doublings in a given time etc. my estimates base it more on 25 day cycles with a slight increase each cycle. You're at 4.1 billion 18 months from now. A two year pandemic. I'm at 7.0 billion. Technically identical. Now we all know that the breaks will be put on these figures to some large degree as it leaves Africa but assuming we are unable to slow it down, (and places like Ferguson MO make me wonder just how well we could control it here) and you take, say, Spanish Flu to compare it to, with 5% CFR over two years, and Ebola say an 80% CFR, off the top you'd think well Ebola is 20 times more destructive than a typical flu pandemic but with a little more complicated thought you're like, nope. It's a trillion times more destructive! A 5% loss of the population is hardly noticed. An 80% loss would send us damn near back to the Stone Age. Even the bible would have to be rewritten.
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