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Forget Oil, the New Global Crisis is Food

BMO strategist Donald Coxe warns credit crunch and
soaring oil prices will pale in comparison to looming catastrophe



HOLLY NOTE: Warnings of escalating food prices and scarcity via mainstream news are fairly screaming with intensity. It's coming not only from the U.S. and Canada sources but from Europe, Australia and China as well as many third-world nations. I don't know how to adequately emphasize the importance of setting aside a good, healthy supply for your family now, before the hour gets any later.

Your best bet is to stock up during sales, use coupons and take advantage of bulk purchases. This will keep your diet as normal as possible during the coming unsettling times - something that is vital during stress. For additional savings, consider purchasing foods through a coop and divide costs among friends and family.

TIP: Stan and I have used
Bob's Red Mill Bread Mixes for about 7 years. They have a great selection, are healthier for you and are still at a great price. Plus, they are yummy! We stocked up a couple months ago on a year's supply and their prices are still very competitive especially considering the rising costs of grain. You can easily store bread mix as long term if properly prepared.

When you find other great deals, stock up! Knowing how to preserve your food investment for best shelf life, maximum nutrition, and long term storage is invaluable. You'll have foods on hand that you're used to eating and viable when you need them.

People tend to forget that not only are store bought foods the best buy and preferable for taste and texture, but eventually you will run out of freeze dried and dehydrated products or your supplier will, so learn to store your own. It will keep your family safe and well-fed tomorrow, and 10 years from now.

Please do not delay! We don't know what specifically is afoot, but something is definitely wrong and officials are likely privy to it. We have noticed a definite uptick in emergency preparedness warnings, PSAs - Public Service Announcements - on TV and radio over the last two months at odds times of the night.



January 3, 2008
Alia McMullen, Financial Post
National Post - Toronto

A new crisis is emerging, a global food catastrophe that will reach further and be more crippling than anything the world has ever seen. The credit crunch and the reverberations of soaring oil prices around the world will pale in comparison to what is about to transpire, Donald Coxe, global portfolio strategist at BMO Financial Group said at the Empire Club's 14th annual investment outlook in Toronto on Thursday.

Photo: Corn grows in a farm field near Seneca, Illinois. Rising demand for grain to make fuel, food and livestock feed has helped push the prices of corn and soybeans. (Scott Olson/ Getty Images)

"It's not a matter of if, but when," he warned investors. "It's going to hit this year hard."

Mr. Coxe said the sharp rise in raw food prices in the past year will intensify in the next few years amid increased demand for meat and dairy products from the growing middle classes of countries such as China and India as well as heavy demand from the biofuels industry.

"The greatest challenge to the world is not US$100 oil; it's getting enough food so that the new middle class can eat the way our middle class does, and that means we've got to expand food output dramatically," he said.

The impact of tighter food supply is already evident in raw food prices, which have risen 22% in the past year.

Mr. Coxe said in an interview that this surge would begin to show in the prices of consumer foods in the next six months. Consumers already paid 6.5% more for food in the past year.

Wheat prices alone have risen 92% in the past year, and yesterday closed at US$9.45 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade.

At the centre of the imminent food catastrophe is corn - the main staple of the ethanol industry. The price of corn has risen about 44% over the past 15 months, closing at US$4.66 a bushel on the CBOT yesterday - its best finish since June 1996.

This not only impacts the price of food products made using grains, but also the price of meat, with feed prices for livestock also increasing.

"You're going to have real problems in countries that are food short, because we're already getting embargoes on food exports from countries, who were trying desperately to sell their stuff before, but now they're embargoing exports," he said, citing Russia and India as examples.

"Those who have food are going to have a big edge."

With 54% of the world's corn supply grown in America's mid-west, the U.S. is one of those countries with an edge.

But Mr. Coxe warned U.S. corn exports were in danger of seizing up in about three years if the country continues to subsidize ethanol production. Biofuels are expected to eat up about a third of America's grain harvest in 2007.

The amount of U.S. grain currently stored for following seasons was the lowest on record, relative to consumption, he said.

"You should be there for it fully-hedged by having access to those stocks that benefit from rising food prices."

He said there are about two dozen stocks in the world that are going to redefine the world's food supplies, and "those stocks will have a precious value as we move forward."

Mr. Coxe said crop yields around the world need to increase to something close to what is achieved in the state of Illinois, which produces over 200 corn bushes an acre compared with an average 30 bushes an acre in the rest of the world.

"That will be done with more fertilizer, with genetically modified seeds, and with advanced machinery and technology," he said.


http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=213343

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Sorry - didn't mean to ignore anyone there. Just worked a couple of long days that wiped me out.
Levygoddess - I started prepping about a year ago. A colleague asked me to find her something on the internet after the local health authority started to air ads about BF. It struck a pretty serious chord with me. She unfortunately did what a lot of people do and freaked out, and then moved on to something else and forgot all about it.
I began by buying small (and consequently) expensive. For example, I'd buy lots of packages of Knorr Spanish rice. I'd wait until they were on sale and pay $1-1.20 a pack. Each one weighs 5.5oz dry and I thought I was getting a good deal. I've now got recipes saved in my BF folder to make Spanish rice (it's very easy), and now I buy 25lbs of white rice for about $7 - or the same as about 2lbs of the packaged product even at sale prices. Buying bulk is the key - you'll accumulate preps so much faster and a lot cheaper. The only problem is storage, but as I've mentioned before, I use mylar bags, oxygen absorbers and 5 gallon plastic buckets. Now I can drag home 25lbs of preps, and in about 15 minutes it's packed, labelled and sealed in a bucket. And the nice thing is they're strong enough to stack at least four high, and they tuck into the corner of a garage or shed nicely. I have a lot of dry food stored in a small space and because of the way they're packaged, I don't need to worry about them for at least a couple of years, if not longer. I'm not sure about foodsaver bags - how big do they get? I can put 25lbs of rice, flour or sugar in a mylar bag that costs a little more than a dollar, and it seals with an iron.
I also started looking at the things we like to eat that could be made from easily stored bulk ingredients. A good example is burritos, which the family love. As well as canned refried beans (which I only buy when they're dirt cheap) I've got dried pinto and black beans stored in my preps. Tortillas obviously have a short shelf life so I have corn masa mix (25lbs so far - more to come) and a cast iron tortilla press. I also did what you do, and every time I go to a fast food restaurant, I walk out with a bunch of ketchup and salsa packets.
Cooking presents it's own problems, particularly fuel conservation. I'm in the process of building a haybox oven for a couple of stock pots I have. The beauty of this method of cooking is that it saves up to 80% of the fuel you'd normally use, and as an added bonus it stops the smell of cooking food from escaping and attracting unwanted attention. Because the cooking temperatures are lower, it helps to conserve nutrients as well.
Hachiban08 - do you have a restaurant supply store near you? I get my rice at Smart and Final and it's a lot cheaper than you're paying. Bulk is the way you have to go - I'd definitely advise you to get the phone book out or look on the internet. Maybe save up for a couple of weeks and get a ride if you have to. You'll bring back so much more than buying small packs at regular store prices.
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jacksdad- Yes. We actually have 2 smart n finals, 1 costco and 1 winco in my city.I remember one time i went into costco,there were people buying 6 24 roll packs of toilet parper, 9 24 cases of water and large bulk supplies of food. Some people were arguing over a case of water too.hmmm it was weird. i heard them mentioning the bird flu.yea i have been currently saving up to go to costco and pick up at least something useful=]
whats a bigger priority? food/water or first aid?
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my suggestion would be food and water and then first as you can afford to.
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yea i was thinking that myself but wasnt quite sure.
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I collect old mason jars. So I store me beans and rice in them to keep them fresh.
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That is a good idea. Does air get into them tho?
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I don't think so. Since the lid is on tight.
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Hachiban08 - I agree with detpat. Food and water first. I also like the idea of being as self sufficient as possible when it comes to water - I plan on supplementing the storage capacity I have with some solar stills. I'm near the coast so I have access to all the salt water I can carry, and here in So Cal most days we have plenty of solar energy to run them. If you have a supply of fresh water nearby that doesn't dry up in the summer, you might even consider a good filter like a Berkey or Katadyn. I know you're on a budget, but if you get any of your family on board it would be a great piece of equipment for any emergency. Of course if we were to get as much rain as we've got at the moment, water would be the least of our worries...
I know a lot of people have been storing Nutrigrain and protein bars in their preps. I don't have any yet, but I'll definitely get some on my last shopping trip. My kid loves them, so I know they'd get eaten.
And yes - mason jars are airtight so they're a good way to store preps. If you don't want to use O2 absorbers, or flush the containers with nitrogen or some other inert gas to stop bugs and their eggs from infesting what you've stored, you can freeze the food for 72 hours before you seal it.
    
    
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jacksdad what are o2 absorbers? Is this an item or is this a machine you use?  I thought most things I have read discourage people from using any glass to store things in. Wouldnt Ziplocks be better for beans and rice? You could lay them flat...I also plan on storing stuff according to how much I would use at a time....Like Im going to break things up into 2 cups of rice..that way I dont have to keep opening one big thing to get a cup or two each time. I have a bag of flour in the freezer now...then Im gonna use my foodsaver for the first time!!
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Oxygen absorbers are small packs of chemicals that pull the oxygen out of the air surrounding the food. They suffocate any bugs that are lurking in there (there's often some wildlife helping themselves to your stuff, and making more bugs as they do). If you think you have food with a lot of moisture, you can get absorbers that will dry them out too, so that you don't get mold growing. They're like the desiccant packs you find in clothes, electronics, etc. You can find them both online - they're pretty cheap. I use them with mylar bags because the metallic layer - I think it's aluminum - stops oxygen from leaching back in over time and keeps the smell of the food in. A lot of plastics won't do that, which is why plastic buckets alone aren't always a good idea. I like the idea of bags with small portions. I thought about it, but when I tried it with my preps it made it harder to store large amounts (it doesn't pack down as well in a bucket). I gave up, figuring once I start using my preps I'll be into them just about every day, so I'll be no worse off than if they were in the paper sacks I bought them in.
I personally don't have anything in glass, but as long as it's not exposed to direct sunlight and it was airtight, it should be okay. As long as the seals are good, mason jars should be leak free. I haven't used them as I've found the way I'm storing stuff now allows me to store in bulk cheaply and even I can't seem to screw it up. Big mylar bags are not much more than a dollar apiece, 100 absorbers ran me less than $15 (I put between 4 and 6 in each bucket which is probably overkill), and a new 5 gallon bucket with a lid is about $5. Doing it that way, 25lbs of rice costs about $15 to buy and store, and in theory it'll be good for at least 5 years.
How big are the foodsaver bags? I'm sure they've engineered them so they'll keep the air out, so after freezing your food I'm sure you'll be good to go. Of course, in theory after it's stint in the icebox there shouldn't be anything alive to make use of any oxygen anyway. Let us know how you do.
    
    
    
    
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Jacksdad-I read that at target, they had like 116 quart storage containers but they were only like $10. You would be able to hold a lot of stuff in there right? I was considering getting one.Oh! Does anyone have crank radios? I have one that i got from radio shack a few years back. it has a lantern sytle light, a fm/am radio and a siren...what exactly am i supposed to do w/ a siren? attract people?anyways about 90 sec of cranking lasts 40-60 mins. I also am trying to get a camper stove. Please tell me their cheap^_^;
Oh! Can army surplus stores help in prepping needs?=D
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foodsaver bags come in all kinds of sizes...thats the beauty of it..and you can get them on line...the best part is you can use the bags over again. If you dont have a foodsaver, I can only suggest that all of you get one...its perfect and the bags are strong enough and the foodsaver pulls out all oxygen for you. They also have canisters available. The only thing about the foodsaver is you dont want to do things like flour or sugar...unless they stay in the bag you bought them in...you will burn your vacuum up...I havent bought in bulk yet so this has not been a problem for me...I just take the 5lb bag and seal it inside the bag after I freeze it first. You could do beans and stuff like that...and some say you can put a paper towel in the bag to keep the flour and sugar from going into the tube but Im not that experienced yet...I have bought 5 gallons of honey...Im trying to figure out the best way to separate and store that...I dont want glass jars...
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I hope this isnt a stupid question and im sorry if it is, but if honey turns black, does that mean its gone bad or what happens to it?
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Originally posted by hachiban08 hachiban08 wrote:

Jacksdad-I read that at target, they had like 116 quart storage containers but they were only like $10. You would be able to hold a lot of stuff in there right? I was considering getting one.Oh! Does anyone have crank radios? I have one that i got from radio shack a few years back. it has a lantern sytle light, a fm/am radio and a siren...what exactly am i supposed to do w/ a siren? attract people?anyways about 90 sec of cranking lasts 40-60 mins. I also am trying to get a camper stove. Please tell me their cheap^_^;
Oh! Can army surplus stores help in prepping needs?=D
 
 
Army surplus stores are great places to buy preps.  Of course, not so much for foodstuffs...except for MREs.  But you can certainly purchase lots of other items that would come in handy during a crisis...and places like that are usually easy on the wallet, compared to normal retail stores.
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dont forget garage sales....I cant tell you how many coleman stoves Ive seen and never bought...that was before my obsession....

I dont know about that honey...but I was told it never goes bad...has it been sealed?
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    I love garage sales=]
Oh yea we threw it away that one time cuz we werent sure and oh isnt honey a good medical thing for something?
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Honey as Medicine
Sweet relief

When I get a sore throat, I always find a cup of tea with some honey very soothing. But thanks to my proper Western scientific conditioning, I always assumed that the restorative power of honey was mostly in my head. Sure, it tastes good and has a pleasant texture that coats my irritated throat, but it’s practically pure sugar, after all. What good could it possibly do me other than diminishing my perception of discomfort for a few minutes? So I’ve been content in my belief that honey is little more than a tasty placebo. Now, ironically enough, my convictions are being challenged, as researchers are turning up new evidence of honey’s medical benefits left and right.

Historically, honey has been used as a folk remedy in cultures around the world for millennia. It has been prescribed informally as a cure for smallpox, baldness, eye diseases, and indigestion. It’s even been used as a contraceptive. As with most natural “cures” unsupported by scientific studies, I sort of chuckle and sigh when I read about things like this—honey may be a silly substitute for real medicine, but at least it’s not bloodletting. However, in this case, the bees may have the last laugh. It turns out that honey’s properties make it a surprisingly effective cure-all. Or, let’s say, cure-much.

Bee Fruitful and Multiply
Honey’s salutary effects stem primarily from its antimicrobial properties. Most bacteria and other microorganisms cannot grow or reproduce in honey. I found this quite surprising, because all things being equal, bacteria love sugar. Honey contains around 40% fructose and 30% glucose—among other sugars—making it seemingly a great treat for microbes. However, honey is also somewhat acidic, and acids prevent the growth of some bacteria. More importantly, honey does not provide the water and oxygen needed to support bacterial growth. Although honey contains a fair amount of water, it’s supersaturated with sugar—meaning the water is not available to the microorganisms.

So what happens when you dilute honey with water—the bacteria just multiply like crazy, right? Well…yes and no. Amazingly enough, diluted honey supports the growth of bacteria that are helpful to humans while killing off dangerous strains. Some microorganisms do indeed flourish in a dilute solution of honey—such as the yeast used to ferment it into mead. Also, certain types of beneficial bacteria that live in the human intestines and aid digestion do well in a mixture of honey and water. But honey also contains a substance called glucose oxidase. When combined with water and oxygen, glucose oxidase forms gluconic acid and hydrogen peroxide—the very same stuff you probably have in your medicine cabinet right now. This means that diluted honey can serve as an excellent antiseptic, while being far less likely than ordinary hydrogen peroxide to harm already-damaged tissue.

Show Me the Honey
What does all this mean in practical terms? For one thing, it means that honey applied topically to a wound can promote healing just as well as, or in many cases better than, conventional ointments and dressings. Its antibacterial properties prevent infection. It also functions as an anti-inflammatory agent, reducing both swelling and pain. As if that weren’t enough, it even reduces scarring. In studies around the world, honey has been shown to be extraordinarily effective in the treatment of wounds, burns, and surgical incisions. Honey also functions as a moisturizer, making it a useful treatment for sunburn as well as a general-purpose skin softener.


But wait, there’s more! Honey is truly a head-to-toe cure. Honey has been shown to be effective in treating inflammation of the eyelid, some types of conjunctivitis, and keratitis (along with other forms of corneal damage). It can also, believe it or not, be used to treat athlete’s foot and other fungal infections.

A Spoonful of Sugar Is the Medicine
Lest you think that honey is only healthy if used on the outside of the body, it can help with a great many internal problems too. Thanks to its antimicrobial action, it not only soothes sore throats but can also kill the bacteria that sometimes cause them. Although research is inconclusive so far, there’s also the suggestion it could actually reduce tooth decay—all that sticky sugar notwithstanding. Moving down the esophagus and through the digestive tract, honey can help to heal ulcers and upset stomachs. It has also been proven to regulate intestinal function, alleviating both constipation and diarrhea. (In a similarly syzygial way, honey can be used both as a sleep aid and to increase alertness.) Honey also contains a variety of antioxidants, which may reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer.

Manuka honey, made from the flowers of the Manuka bush (Leptospermum scoparium), comes from New Zealand. Some varieties of Manuka honey contain an antibacterial component called UMF (Unique Manuka Factor), which has been found to be even more useful than ordinary honey in combating infections. Intriguingly, honey with UMF is even effective against many so-called “superbugs”—strains of bacteria such as Staphylococcus aureus that are resistant to multiple types of antibiotics. An Australian company called Medihoney has obtained the blessing of the Therapeutic Goods Administration (comparable to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration) to sell this type of honey packaged as a dressing for wounds. The company also sells honey and honey-based products designed to treat digestive problems, oral irritations and sore throats, and even skin conditions such as psoriasis.

The Color of Honey
Now that you’ve worked yourself into a gleeful frenzy over the miraculous properties of honey, I want to temper your enthusiasm a bit. The bad news, if you can call it that, is that not all honey is created equal. The chemical composition of honey depends on a huge number of variables, the most important of which is the type or types of plant that provided the source nectar. Honeys vary not only in color and flavor, but in their medicinal properties, with some varieties being much more potent than others. Because it’s impossible to regulate the comings and goings of millions of bees, there’s also no way to guarantee that honey from any location will be chemically the same from year to year or free of contamination from pollutants the bees may have found their way into. Honey supplies must be tested thoroughly and regularly.

I should mention one other caveat: never feed honey to a child under one year of age. Honey sometimes contains Clostridium botulinum spores. Although they’re inactive in the honey itself, once inside a digestive tract they can multiply and cause a potentially fatal disease of the nervous system called infant botulism. By the time of a child’s first birthday, there are usually enough beneficial bacteria in the digestive tract to make it an inhospitable environment for Clostridium botulinum, meaning that honey can be eaten safely.

As I was reflecting on all the health benefits of honey, it suddenly occurred to me: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sick bee. Coincidence? Probably. But honey may be one miracle cure that lives up to the buzz. —Joe Kissell

http://itotd.com/articles/218/honey-as-medicine/
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Honey has proved to be such a useful medicine in my practice that I wanted to provide you with a copy of these very comprehensive articles by Dr. Molan. Honey was also widely used in traditional medical systems as a food, wound dressing, and preservative for herbal medicines.

L.B. Grotte, M.D.

Honey as a Dressing for Wounds, Burns, and Ulcers:
A Brief Review of Clinical Reports
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Experimental Studies
Published in Primary Intention Vol 6, no. 4, December 1998; P. C. Molan B.Sc. Ph.D., Honey Research Unit, Department of Biological Sciences, University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand, Corresponding author: Associate Professor P. C. Molan, Department of Biological Sciences, University of Waikato,Private Bag 3105,Hamilton, New Zealand, Telephone: +64 7 838 4325, Fax: +64 7 838 4324

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The use of honey as a wound dressing material, an ancient remedy that has been rediscovered, is becoming of increasing interest as more reports of its effectiveness are published. The clinical observations recorded are that infection is rapidly cleared, inflammation, swelling and pain are quickly reduced, odour is reduced, sloughing of necrotic tissue is induced, granulation and epithelialisation are hastened, and healing occurs rapidly with minimal scarring.

The antimicrobial properties of honey prevent microbial growth in the moist healing environment created. Unlike other topical antiseptics, honey causes no tissue damage: in animal studies it has been demonstrated histologically that it actually promotes the healing process. It has a direct nutrient effect as well as drawing lymph out to the cells by osmosis.

The stimulation of healing may also be due to the acidity of honey. The osmosis creates a solution of honey in contact with the wound surface which prevents the dressing sticking, so there is no pain or tissue damage when dressings are changed. There is much anecdotal evidence to support its use, and randomised controlled clinical trials that have shown that honey is more effective than silver sulfadiazine and polyurethane film dressings (OpSite®) for the treatment of burns.

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In 1989 an editorial in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine (1) expressed the opinion: "The therapeutic potential of uncontaminated, pure honey is grossly underutilized. It is widely available in most communities and although the mechanism of action of several of its properties remains obscure and needs further investigation, the time has now come for conventional medicine to lift the blinds off this 'traditional remedy' and give it its due recognition."

Mostly this was in reference to reports of the use of honey as a wound dressing. The ancient usage of honey as a wound dressing has been reviewed (1-3), but there have been only some very brief reviews, with little clinical detail, of the literature reporting modern usage of this rediscovered therapy for wounds (1, 4, 5).

Because of the increasing interest in the use of alternative therapies, especially as the development of antibiotic resistance in bacteria is becoming a major problem (6), and because of the increase in reported usage of honey as a wound dressing in recent times, it was considered timely to review the clinical and experimental findings that have been published on this subject. Pertinent to this are reports of honey being effective on wounds not responding to conventional therapy (7-10).

In many of the reports the effectiveness of honey as a dressing on infected wounds is attributed in part to its antibacterial properties (1, 5, 7, 9, 11-29). But the large volume of published literature from in vitro studies that has established that honey has significant antibacterial activity will not be included in this review as it has been comprehensively reviewed elsewhere (30, 31). However, it is noted here for the interest of the reader that honeys with median levels of antibacterial activity have been found to completely inhibit the major wound-infecting species of bacteria at concentrations of 1.8% - 11% (v/v) (32), and a collection of strains of strains of MRSA at concentrations of 1% - 4% (v/v) (33).

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The procedure that is described in most of the reports is to clean the wound first, even though many describe honey as having a cleansing and debriding action on wounds (see next section). Some report abscesses being opened and pockets of pus drained (23, 28, 29, 34), and necrotic tissue being removed (23, 29, 35, 36), before dressing wounds with honey.

Some used rigorous cleansing procedures: scrubbing with a soft toothbrush followed by hydrogen peroxide, saline rinse, betadine, and another saline rinse (37); dilute Dakin solution or dilute hydrogen peroxide on the wound bed and alcohol on the surrounding skin (29); or the wounds were cleaned with eusol (28) or aqueous 1% chlorhexidine (10). Some reported cleaning the wounds before dressing, but did not specify with what (10, 23, 28, 35). One cleaned the wounds with gauze (23). Most report simply washing wounds with saline before dressing with honey (5, 7, 9, 14-18, 38), and when dressings are changed (5, 7, 9, 13-18, 29).

In many of the reports the honey is spread on the wound then covered with a dry dressing, mostly gauze (5, 8-10, 13, 14, 17-21, 29, 37-40). The quantity of honey used varies: one reported using a thin smear of honey (but with relatively poor outcomes); two reported using a thin layer honey (but this was applied 2 - 3 times daily) (13, 34); most just refer to the honey being spread or poured over the wound (9, 14, 17-19, 21, 37); others report using a thick layer of honey (41), soaking the wound generously with honey (23), pouring honey into the wound to three-quarters fill (29), and applying 15-30 ml of honey to ulcers (7, 20). Others have applied the honey to the dressing then placed it on the wound: either the honey was spread on gauze (10, 23, 35, 37) or the gauze was soaked in honey (15, 16, 21), or "honey pads" were used (36). (It has also been reported that covering cracked sore nipples in nursing mothers with gauze soaked in honey can prevent them from becoming infected (42 )

Honey-impregnated gauze has also been used to pack cavities of wounds (20). Others have packed cavities of wound directly with honey and then covered the wound (10, 21, 23). Cervical ulcerations stubborn to healing have been treated by inserting 85 ml honey in the vagina and holding this in place with a tampon for 3 days (42).

Mostly the dressings are changed daily (7-10, 14, 21, 23, 35, 39, 41) or every 2 days (15-18, 38): or every 2 - 3 days (40). One paper reported that dressings were changed daily, but that less frequent changes (every 2 - 3 days) were needed if the wounds were clean and dry (41). Another reported dressings being changed once or twice daily until clean granulated wounds were achieved, then once-daily changes (37). Others have reported changing honey dressings twice daily (13, 19, 22), 2 - 3 times a day (34), 3 times daily (28, 36), and 3 times daily if contaminated with urine or faeces, otherwise twice daily (29).

Two papers report mixing lipid material with the honey to make it easier to spread; either castor oil (23) or 20% vaseline or lard (41). Although this was a common form of wound dressing in ancient times, it is not necessary as honey can be made very fluid by warming to 37°C if vigorous stirring is not sufficient. Bulman (21) refers to using liquid honey on large surfaces, or carefully warming granulated honey. (Excessive heating of honey should be avoided because the glucose oxidase enzyme in honey which produces hydrogen peroxide, a major component of the antibacterial activity of honey, is very readily inactivated by heat (43).

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hachiban08 - sorry, I missed your post about stoves. I have a couple of propane stoves- single and twin burner - and with a large bottle and an adapter (which you can find at camping stores, Walmart, etc) they work really well. The small canisters are fine, but they can get expensive and take up a lot of storage space though. I supplemented them with three Coleman dual fuel stoves that I picked up cheap on eBay. They run on Coleman fuel (super refined), or regular unleaded gas. They're very economical, and a couple of 5 gallon cans of gas will run them for a long time depending on how much cooking you're doing. The downside is you have to pump them, which is hard on your thumb, but you get used to it.
If you get a twin burner, you can use it with a cast iron griddle. Coleman also makes a collapsible camp oven (about $25-30) which sits on top of a two burner which you can use to bake bread, etc.
I also have two propane lanterns and three dual fuel lanterns (eBay again).
Be careful though - Coleman stoves/lanterns put out a lot of carbon monoxide. Propane equipment is better, but they still needs a ventilated area.


    
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Greetings from a lurker! I've been reading this board for a while now, (great info!) and decided to contribute. Few things:

For barter items and general info on what might happen after a pandemic with high CFR, you might want to check out "Alas Babylon" by Pat Frank. The plot is a small community of people struggleing after an atomic war. It mentions possible trade items and high lights the need for replenishable food, salt and security. Cold war vintage but a good read.

Honey being used to treat wounds is not news. It was used to treat wounded in WWI.

If you don't want to be on the bottom of the food chain durring or after a pandemic or other emegency, consider running for some minor government office. In my area there were many elected government posts not filled or run unopposed. Show up at public government meetings so the PTB know you and you know them. Hopefully they will be less likely to shoot at a familar face when the feces hits the revolving air circulator.

    
    
    
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This is all way off topic, but since we're here....
 
johnGardner1 with all due respect, going out to the store to loot?!?  Isn't that why we prep?  Looting is the purview of the unprepared not to mention stores will be cleaned out long before you have the chance to pillage and plunder.  Once continuous H2H transmission has taken place and been announced the media will undoubtedly whip the public into panic and the stores will be legally emptied out immediately in a last minute buying frenzy.  Ignoring the unethical nature of what you suggest, IMHO if there is something there to take it is in the process of being taken by people more ruthless than you can imagine and you do not want to be anywhere near that scene.  In that lawless environment some SOB is going to pop you as soon as you come out of the store with your shiny new widget.  As far as cash in the drawer is concerned if the owner abandoned the store indefinitely with the probability of looting looming he would have made a bank drop and there would be no cash left in the drawer. 
 
Every time you venture out in a pandemic you increase your exposure to infection and nefarious types.  The latter being the more dangerous of the two.  When you return home you always bring a potential infection into your home with the possibility of killing your entire family.  Even if you did not bring home the bug or run into the meanest SOB in the valley, considering your unlawful conduct, you may get spanked by the fuz doing what they are supposed to be doing, maintaining order.  I hope to God people like Turboguy can find the courage to get out there and do their thing.  And make no mistake the National Guard will shoot you to maintain social order.  During Katrina convenience store owners defended their stores by shooting looters and I can not imagine a pandemic situation to be any different.  Anyone who has done work for the government in places we are not supposed to be will tell you the cardinal rule is to avoid needless contact with your adversary.  Slip into the area, grap the package/eliminate the tango or whatever as quietly and with as little contact as possible and slip out.  Contact with the enemy will get you bogged down and dramatically increases your chances of being adorned with a toe tag.
 
Turn on the pumps to steal gas!  Wow, I think if there is electricity and gas still left someone will be there to sell that gas at mind boggling prices!  Assuming there is electricity gas is the one thing that a station could sell with little exposure to the clerk or buyer.
 
Jacksdad is right on.  The greatest advantage you can gain is not the latest night vision device or a locker full of weapons, it is putting away supplies.  By preparing you eliminate dependence on others dramatically reducing the need to venture out lessening exposure to BF and contact with BGs.
 
Hachiban08, an inexpensive way to get food is to grow it.  It is time to learn a new skill and start a garden.  It is how people survived during the Great Depression.  My grandparents had one and would not have survived without it.  It is inexpensive to do and will produce unlimited food.  However a garden will only feed you as long as the crop is producing so you will need to learn canning.  Canning and gardening go hand in hand with the object being to grow more than you consume and can the excess.  Canning will allow you to eat out of season food, have food during non productive times and to trade supplies with others.  Speak to the older ladies in your group to find one that cans and is willing to show you the ropes.  It is not difficult but the instructions must be followed to the letter or it can be dangerous.  Gardening is a learned skill and I implore you to start now to learn the ins and outs of your growing area, expected yields, pests, what grows easily and what will not.  This city boy can tell you it is not as easy as it seems.  I have delved into Hydroponics to produce as much food as possible in as little space as possible.  Another free source of food is fruit and/or nut trees on your property.  Look at your neighbor's yards for fruits they grow and ask them about it.  Get some fruit from them and plant some seeds.  You can also look at the Extension Office in your area for suggestions.  This will produce fruit that can be canned and eaten raw.
 
There are different types of water storage depending upon use.  Potable water is for drinking and cooking and non potable for cleaning.  Lake or river water for instance is useful for cleaning, like laundry, showering (do not get it in your mouth) or flushing the toilet and can usually be had locally.  If you have a pool you have a tremendous supply of that type of water.  If either of those is the case I would not store any of that type of water.
 
Potable water is tough because you need so much of it; it is bulky, heavy and can be expensive.  It weighs 8 pounds per gallon tipping the scales of a 55 gallon drum at 440 pounds.  You will need about a gallon a day just for consumption.  Assuming a three month shortage you will need 90 gallons just for you!  At 16 oz per bottle you will need 720 bottles PER PERSON.  I do not know what water costs in your area but that is a lot of Evian.
 
IMHO it is better to buy water containers than prepackaged (bottled) water.  An empty container is light, cheap and easily stored in the attic.  They can be filled from the tap when the alarm goes out.  That is what I do during hurricane season.  If it looks like the 'cane will hit us I start filling containers, the rest of the time they are stored empty in the attic.  Camping stores sell containers like these made for water storage.  They are easily handled, stackable and hold a realistic amount of water.  I have 8 of these.  The cheapest way to get and store bulk water is with 55 gallon barrels.  A new food grade barrel will cost about 40 - 60 bucks locally and can be stored empty, again to be filled from the tap with a hose when the alarm goes out.  I have three barrels.  I understand being a senior with no job makes it difficult to get and store 55 gallon barrels but you can start by cleaning and storing empty 2 liter soda bottles.  It is not the best way to do this but it is free.
 
Plastic bags need to be of special construction to store for extended periods, regular Ziploc bags will not do.  Air will eventually creep into those bags ruining your food.  You need Mylar or foodsaver style bags which have a barrier against air intrusion.  But even those are not as good as Mason jars.  Mason jars are a great way to store small quantities of stuff and will keep some things as long as can be.  They are more puncture resistant, insect & rodent proof, reusable and frequently can be had at garage sales.  But the biggest size is half gallon and that is not enough for large quantities of foodstuffs.  For that you need buckets.  I also store rice and beans in nitrogen sealed Mylar bags in five gallon buckets.  Those buckets can be had for a wink and a wiggle at the local restaurant.  They get pickles in them.  There is no such thing as too many of these so start your collection now.  I store everything from rice to charcoal briquettes to bullet reloading brass in them.  Be aware that prepackaged food from the supermarket is not packaged for the long term.  Cereal for example will not stay fresh in the original packaging.  Most things need to be moved into Mason jars as soon as you get it home from the store.
 
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Country mom, "Alas Babylon" was a great book I read years ago in high school. Do you know if they ever made it into a movie? I remember I really liked it back then:O)   
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Hi Melody

Poking around the internet I saw a report that Playhouse 90 did an adaptation back in 1960. I checked Amazon and they have the book listed as "new and used" so I'm guessing it is still in print.

As to idea of pillaging stores in my neck of the woods? My bet is many of the storekeepers have an answer for that involving lead. Since they may be the future source of supplies I would not want to piss them off or get in their line of fire. As to suburbia or cities.... good luck. Hope you have your prepping done well in advance.

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I dont think i would be able to grow a sufficent enough garden in my city. We dont get much rainwater and right now its way too cold, i probably would be able to start trying to garden in about springish but it rains a bit too much so maybe april or may? Wow doesnt really give me much time if the chips hit the fan soon=\ I dont know anyone that cans but if u do it wrong, cant u get botulism and like get sick and/or die? Wow 720 bottles is a whole lot!!I seriously cant picture that^_^; could i use a 116 quart container and hold water in those? we use those types of containers when the rain leakes in our house. would those work to store water?^_^; I hope this doesnt sound stupid but what does IMHO mean? How much do mylar bags go for? thanks for the info

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Are your water containers food grade containers? If not then they could be used to store water to flush toilets during an emergency but I would not want to drink the water stored in them. Chemicals from non-food grade plastics can break down and leach into the water.

As for gardening in a city, during WWII many cities in the US turned parkland into public vegetable gardens, the government distributed vegetable seeds and encouraged the public to garden and can the produce. I've read estimates of 42% of the food to feed the public was raised in Victory Gardens. This freed a tremendous amount of fuel, labor and materials up for the war effort.

As to canning. Yes if you screw up you can get food poisoning caused by anaerobic bacteria (Bacteria that do not need air to survive and multiply). Yes it can make people very sick and kill them. That is why everything, and I mean everything must be as sterile as possible and recipes must be followed to the letter. That said, many a farm and housewife has done canning safely and successfully without advanced degrees in food safety, nutrition, food preservation or anything else for that matter. They still are. Canning is not hard. It is tedious and time consuming work that requires attention to detail and a modicum of common sense.

There are 2 types of canning: 1) Water bath canning for high acid foods like jellies, jams, tomato sauce (tomatoes are actually a fruit) and pickles 2) Pressure canning for low acid foods such as non-pickled vegetables and meats. Both can be done at home. Both require some special equipment that is not that expensive and can be found in many hardware, grocery and department stores as well as on the internet.

Another method called the open kettle method should no longer be used because of the risk of food poisoning and the waste of food due to failed seals.

As to the Mylar bags? Have you talked to any food processing plants in your area? They may be able to give you a lead. Any Mormon Churches close by? They will probably know.

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Are your water containers food grade containers? If not then they could be used to store water to flush toilets during an emergency but I would not want to drink the water stored in them. Chemicals from non-food grade plastics can break down and leach into the water.

Historical note. As for gardening in a city, during WWII many cities in the US turned parkland into public vegetable gardens, the government distributed vegetable seeds and encouraged the public to garden and can the produce. I've read estimates of 42% of the food to feed the public was raised in Victory Gardens. This freed a tremendous amount of fuel, labor and materials up for the war effort. I would not suggest you or anyone start roto tilling parkland without permition.

As to canning. Yes if you screw up you can get food poisoning caused by anaerobic bacteria (Bacteria that do not need air to survive and multiply). Yes it can make people very sick and kill them. That is why everything, and I mean everything must be as sterile as possible and recipes must be followed to the letter. That said, many a farm and housewife has done canning safely and successfully without advanced degrees in food safety, nutrition, food preservation or anything else for that matter. They still are. Canning is not hard. It is tedious and time consuming work that requires attention to detail and a modicum of common sense.

There are 2 types of canning: 1) Water bath canning for high acid foods like jellies, jams, tomato sauce (tomatoes are actually a fruit) and pickles 2) Pressure canning for low acid foods such as non-pickled vegetables and meats.

Another method called the open kettle method should no longer be used because of the risk of food poisoning and the waste of food due to failed seals.

As to the Mylar bags? Have you talked to any food processing plants in your area? They may be able to give you a lead. Any Mormon Churches close by? They will probably know.

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    Well, it's finally hitting home. I receive an email/newsletter from the public health center here in Seattle and they've received information bird flu. I'll read the entire thing and post you all tomorrow.

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Hibachiban08, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner I just got back from Panama and anyway I'm not sure I can respond any better than Country Mom. She really covered your questions well.  In addition to food grade you really want to know the history of your water containers.  That's why I suggested new food grade containers.  That way, you know they weren't used previously for instance to store nuclear waste, rat poison, sewage or some other some other objectionable thing.
 
As Country Mom stated Victory Gardens were wildly successful during WW2.  Don't discount a backyard garden.  I live on a city lot and a half and I am able to grow a substantial amount of food on it.  You'd be surprised what you can grow.  I don't have the entire yard plowed up only a small space.  I also use space efficient methods like Hydroponics and vertical gardening to pack as much into my little area as possible.  Gardening is more involved than throwing seeds on the ground so what I'm suggesting is to start a small garden now so you can learn the ropes.  Then if things go bad you can expand your operation to provide more stuff.  That's what I'm doing.  A small garden will for instance tell you what kind of production you can expect so you will know how much to scale up a specific crop  to fit your needs should the SHTF.   I learned for instance that I need more of my Hydroponicly grown squash plants and fewer sweet peppers.  I learned that I can't grow enough onions to satify me.  It will also let you know how to deal with the bugs in your area.  Make no mistake knowing how to deal with the bugs is a biggie.  I learned that Army Web Worms love my corn as much as I do and if I don't do something about them they will substantially damage my plants and reduce my production.  I learned that I need to stagger planting things so I have a continuous crop instead of everything coming to maturity at the same time.  That way I have things on hand all the time that I can't easily can like fresh onions.  When does one pick the corn?  What kind of fertilizer is best?  What pesticide is effective against Army Web Worms?  How much irrigation will I need?  Which variety of Corn tastes best in this area?  There are all sorts of questions you should answer before you have to rely on a garden for food.  Another reason and it may sound sort of corny but there is something very satisfying about growing your own.  I'm not sure what it is but I dig it, no pun intended.
 
The Mylar bags are available from any store that caters to people putting away a lot of food.  The Mormons are famous for this.  Go here for a blurb about Mylar bags.  Go here for the place I got my bags in Utah.  You can also get them hereHere is a bit about packing stuff away.
 
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Thank you Country Mom and Weird-one for the info. It's very helpful^_^v This is a bit random but is jerky a good food to store? Does it last long? My friend works at her uncle's meat locker so they smoke all kinds of meat:cow,bear,deer...Would it be worth saving?
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Hi Hachiban08

Jerky is usually VERY high in sodium (salt). This could be a problem for a lot of people if eaten on a regular basis. It is also a high cost food if you are not making it yourself and have to buy it at retail prices. Benifits: Check the packageing, if it does not require refrigeration or other special storage it may be an option, it is dried and consentrated so it should require less storage space than the canned undried equivilent.

I no longer eat deer because of reports of pirons in the meat. Pirons (mad cow) are NOT effected by cooking like bacteria and viruses. I grew up eating deer and regret the loss.
    
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Oh rather intereting. My friend usually gives me some here and there. About half a pound. So I dnt have to buy it.
I never knew that about deer. It taste so good tho hehe mut have to slow down on the deer then hehe.
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This hasnt been used as much. how sad=[
Any new info AFT ppls?
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Originally posted by hachiban08 hachiban08 wrote:

i see what everyone is saying and i understand.is katrina a good example of unpreparedness?


Yep - classic example. Fears had been raised many times prior to Katrina about the effects of a direct hit by a hurricane on that part of the Gulf coast, but not enough was done. The resulting carnage speaks volumes.
I can't remember which member here uses it, but at the bottom of their posts is a quote that reads "Chance favors the prepared mind". We've been blessed with the knowledge that pandemics happen regularly and will undoubtedly happen again - and maybe soon. They didn't have that luxury in 1918 but we do, and we should make the most of it. I'm prepping for myself and others in my family who don't believe it will happen. Hopefully they're right, but I refuse to let their complacency guide my decisions, as that could lead to the death of someone I love and care about. Prep on :)
    
    
    
    
 
I have been away working for a while and trying to catch up on the posts is hard! I agree that Katrina is an example and also we must remember that the further we get past a disaster, the more we are likely to be complacent about prepping. I also prep for family members and try to remind them that hope of avoidance is no excuse for not preparing. This is a great thread.
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival." - W. Edwards Deming
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