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    Posted: October 16 2014 at 9:59pm

Belize Confirms Patient With Ebola Symptoms On Cruise Ship Off Its Coast


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Galveston, Texas-based Carnival Magic cruise ship anchored at Stake Bank off Belize’s coast.

Reports tonight are that two individuals possibly infected with the Ebola virus are in Belizean waters. Local TV station Channel 7 monitored in the capital City Of Belmopan tonight, reported having credible reports that a couple from a Texas-based cruise ship presently anchored off Belize City, is on a ship tender, unable to return to the cruise ship, while being refused entry to Belize City to catch an air ambulance awaiting at the International Airport to take them to the their country of origin, the U.S.A. The television station in its broadcast tonight said Belize health authorities contacted tonight have so far refused to deny or confirm the report.

Later tonight in breaking news,  Channel 5 Belize reported that it has:

“Confirmed with representatives of the Ministry of Health that they have indeed received a report that there is at least one passenger on board the cruise ship, Carnival Magic, showing symptoms similar to that of the Ebola virus. According to the report made to MOH, the person exhibiting the symptoms did not come ashore today. The ship is reportedly carrying 3652 passengers and a total population of 4633 persons.

“The Carnival Magic departed from Galveston Texas on Sunday, October 12 arrived in Mahogany Bay, Honduras on Wednesday October 15 and arrived in Belize this morning, Thursday October 16.

“The ship was scheduled to leave Belize en route to Cozumel this evening at 5pm. However, it is still anchored in Belizean waters near State Bank Caye.”

“We have also have confirmed that the Belize Coast Guard has been deployed to prevent anyone from leaving the ship; including the Belizean pilot on board.”

In a press conference held last weak, Belize’s Ministry of Health stated that in the event of an outbreak of Ebola in Belize, no patient would be allowed into the commercial capital Belize City, where most of the Belize government cabinet officials reside. The MOH stated that the government hospital, the Karl Heuesner Memorial Hospital has but one Intensive Care Unit and they would not allow this to be overrun with Ebola patients.Belize is a a very poor country on the Yucatan Peninsula that depends to a large extent on tourism and grants from Venezuela for its foreign exchange income. Belize City is currently the main port of call for cruise ships.

Update: Channel 7 news anchor Indira Craig has posted on her Facebook page that Belize Prime Minister Dean Barrow in a callous move in view of very close Belize-U.S. relations, has denied entry into Belize for the stricken U.S. nationals to be air lifted to the U.S.A. for treatment:

“Talks have concluded with the PM and The US State Department officials. Belize WILL NOT BE GRANTING ACCESS to the suspected passengers to have entry onto our shores. An official release will be sent out shortly by government followed by a press conference to be held tomorrow.Passports have been returned so this scare has ended.”

In a late night official press release issued by the Belize Press Office, the Belize government offered its version of the Belize Ebola Incident:

Belmopan. October 16, 2014. The Government of Belize was contacted today by officers of the U.S. Government and made aware of a cruise ship passenger considered of very low risk for Ebola. The passenger had voluntarily entered quarantine on board the ship and remains free of any fever or other symptoms of illness. The Ebola virus may only be spread by patients who are experiencing fever and symptoms of illness and so the US Government had emphasized the very low risk category in this case. Nonetheless, out of an abundance of caution, the Government of Belize decided not to facilitate a U.S. request for assistance in evacuating the passenger through the Phillip Goldson International Airport.

The GOB reassures the public that the passenger never set foot in Belize and while we remain in close contact with US officials we have maintained the position that when even the smallest doubt remains, we will ensure the health and safety of the Belizean people. The Prime Minister has called a press conference tomorrow morning to further address any concerns that may arise from this event.

 http://belizean.com/belize-confirms-patient-with-ebola-symptoms-on-cruise-ship-off-its-coast-1814/

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News 5 Live in Belize City has posted on its Facebook Page (at about 9p.m. local Belize time) that it has confirmed with representatives of Belize’s Ministry of Health that they have indeed received a report that there is at least one passenger on board the cruise ship, Carnival Magic, showing symptoms similar to that of the Ebola virus.

The post on News 5 Live continues to read as follows: 
“According to the report made to MOH, the person exhibiting the symptoms did not come ashore today. The ship is reportedly carrying 3652 passengers and a total population of 4633 persons. The Carnival Magic departed from Galveston Texas on Sunday, October 12 arrived in Mahogany Bay, Honduras on Wednesday October 15 and arrived in Belize this morning, Thursday October 16. The ship was scheduled to leave Belize en route to Cozumel this evening at 5pm. However, it is still anchored in Belizean waters near State Bank Caye. We have also have confirmed that the Coast Guard has been deployed to prevent anyone from leaving the ship; including the Belizean pilot on board.”

Belize officials are gathering the facts tonight and an official update is expected to be provided by the Ministry of Health on Friday morning. The reports are that at least one passenger is showing symptoms similar to that of the Ebola virus, but nothing has been confirmed yet. Updates will be posted as they become available. photo courtesy of News 5 Live

Photo: Government of Belize issues release saying that it was contacted today by officers of the US Government and made aware of a cruise ship passenger considered of very low risk for Ebola. Says the release, that G.O.B. refused to "facilitate a U.S. request for assistance in evacuating the passenger through the Phillip Goldson International Airport." The Government ends by reassuring the public that the passenger never set foot in Belize. A press conference will be held by the Prime Minister on Friday morning to address any concerns.

http://www.ambergristoday.com/content/stories/2014/october/16/ebola-scare-belize-board-carnival-magic-cruise-ship#.VECSjv2NQvM.facebook

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They say there's at least one person showing symptoms similar to Ebola but at the same time they said the patient isn't showing fever or any other symptoms of illness. So which is it? LOL
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Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

I'm suspicious of this report until it shows up again.

I couldn't find anything about this anywhere else. I looked at News 5 in Belize and couldn't find a thing. I also looked at the Belize Ministry Of Health and again couldn't find anything.

If there are sick people on this ship, it may be the flu as it is just starting to go around.

Try taking a look at the News 5 Facebook page. They have the press release. https://www.facebook.com/News5Live/timeline?ref=page_internal


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Texas health worker isolated on cruise ship over possible Ebola contact


n">(Reuters) - A Texas health worker who may have had contact with specimens from the first patient diagnosed with Ebola in the United States has been isolated on a cruise ship despite showing no symptoms of the disease, the Department of State said on Friday.

The Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital worker, who did not have direct contact with now deceased Liberian patient Thomas Eric Duncan but could have processed his bodily fluids 19 days ago, left on a cruise from Galveston on Sunday, department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in a statement.

U.S. concerns have intensified after two nurses from the Dallas hospital who cared for Duncan contracted the virus, which has killed nearly 4,500 people, mostly in West Africa. PresidentBarack Obama's administration is facing sharp criticism from lawmakers over its efforts to contain the disease at home.

The employee has been self-monitoring since last Monday and has yet to develop a fever or show any other symptom of Ebola, the statement said. Still the worker and a companion voluntarily isolated themselves in their cabin, and U.S. officials are arranging for the ship to return to the country.

"We are working with the cruise line to safely bring them back to the United States out of an abundance of caution," Psaki said in the statement.

The person left the country before being notified of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) updated requirement for active monitoring, the statement said.

The maximum incubation window for the disease is 21 days, according to the CDC.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/17/us-health-ebola-usa-cruiseship-idUSKCN0I60F520141017

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It is astounding just how mobile we really are.

Very good find.
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Now that is some interesting news. .Scary with all those people on board. Hope she doesn't have It.
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Maybe Carnival Cruise Lines gave out complimentary cruise tickets to everyone who cared for Duncan.
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And in a shocking twist of events, Louise Troh and Jesse Jackson were seen sitting poolside on the cruise ship sipping a cocktail.  Jesse Jackson gave a thumbs up to news chopper channel 5 from the deck of the ship while embracing ms troh.   Thumbs Up    

I knew it was Jesse Jackson
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Not sick and she's very low risk per Cnn..
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Wait till the Stock Market opens this morning! Look oooooout below.
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Originally posted by coyote coyote wrote:

Not sick and she's very low risk per Cnn..


You can't really put CNN in the totally credible news category. Remember the bogus "onsite" reporting during first gulf war that was totally fabricated? Nothing has changed.
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I agree cobber. Just stating what they were saying this am..
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Cruise ship carrying Dallas health worker returning to US

WASHINGTON (AP) — A cruise ship with a Dallas health care worker aboard who is being monitored for signs of Ebola did not receive clearance to dock in Cozumel, Mexico, a day after Belize refused to let the passenger leave the vessel.

Obama administration officials said the passenger handled a lab specimen from a Liberian man who died from Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital earlier this month. Officials said the woman poses no risk because she has shown no signs of illness for 19 days and has voluntarily self-quarantined on the cruise ship, the Carnival Magic.

The cruise line said Friday that after not receiving clearance, the ship left Cozumel waters shortly after noon Friday with the goal of returning to its home port of Galveston Sunday morning as originally scheduled.

‘‘We greatly regret that this situation, which was completely beyond our control, precluded the ship from making its scheduled visit to Cozumel and the resulting disappointment it has caused our guests,’’ Carnival said in a statement. Passengers will get a $200 credit on their ship accounts and a 50 percent discount for future cruises.

The Carnival Magic had also stopped in Belize but officials there would not allow the passenger to leave the vessel. In a statement, the Belize government said it had refused a U.S. government request to fly the woman home through the Belize City airport. Other passengers were allowed to disembark there.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/10/17/monitors-health-care-worker-aboard-cruise-for-ebola/hKJaDpMq7y1UHSTvg1XI1M/story.html

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Lopper,

Bogus on site CNN reporting of the first Gulf War? Nooooo! I was glued to CNN throughout the whole thing. I had no idea!
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If the passenger had no symptoms, and voluntarily quarantined, why the big rush to get her off the ship?
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having a potential ebola patient on a ship is one of the most horro scenarios ever... extremely limited space, air filtration sistems, water filtration sistems.... all are extremely overstreched... bringing ebola visrus particles on such a sistem would be teh biggest horror for the entire ship... you might get hundreds sick in very few days... because of the very high density of individuals on square meters...
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Ahh I see.

I've never been on a cruise.. had no idea what it was like.
*Your description does not match the travel posters!

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me neither on a cruise.. but i have worked with limited space populations, filtering sistems and enough diseases so i can imagine what such a scenario would mean for a ship....

nowadays it many cruise ships have 3-4000 individuals on them.... they are there like hamsters. Norovirus, flu and so on propagate extremely fast, ebola ok is a little diffeent but imagine that any objects can be touched several tens of times in an hour....(beyond the systems i already mentioned)
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I have been working on a Cruise Ship (from Royal Carribean Cruise Lane - so a big company with big ships) for 5 years. That Ship was able to hold around 3500 persons.(guest + crews). All this time I was working on the very same ship, including dry dock time (free moving in almost every corner of the ship), so I can say that I know what I`m talking about. I have been on the ship during the Norovirus Outbreak. It was a nightmare. We couldn't contain the disease (they brought an expert to teach us how to protect ourselves and guest) and we end up serving dinner in Dinning Room on paper plates with plastic cutlery (disposables). No salt and paper shakers on the table, not even table cloths. No hand shaking, no hugs with guest at the end of the cruise.
If she got the virus, the ship is not designed to contain such a thing. (corridors are very narrow, you will touch the handrail from stairs, the elevator buttons, showing and moving around the ship,etc.)The cabin is having ventilation - but the air its not filtered for viruses ofc (its not a biocontainement unit).There its no way that someone with ebola virus can be keep away from spreading the virus with others.
I do apologize for my poor english. Prepare for the Worst and Hope for the Best!
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I didn't know about the air cycling.
That really bothers me. NOT kidding: I have an Oreck purifier running 24/7 in my house - always on the highest setting.
After reading this thread, I will never go on a cruise.
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Originally posted by Germ Nerdier Germ Nerdier wrote:

I didn't know about the air cycling.
That really bothers me. NOT kidding: I have an Oreck purifier running 24/7 in my house - always on the highest setting.
After reading this thread, I will never go on a cruise.

I didn't say there are cycling the air. I don't think so it will be expensive and without a reason. What I`m saying is there is no Virus filtration there.- just imagine - first in a normal time there is no reason for that and then think about the additional costs.
But just imagine you can go to swimming pool and have some fun swimming along with other few hundred !!! (in a very small area ofc) Imagine all the persons on the sundeck using that sunscreen lotion (the virus love that moist) and then going to open buffet touching all the spoons there. On a open lunch the open deck buffet is serving around 2000 persons .All of them sitting in lane and waiting to get some food. You guys eat a lot !!! :)
I do apologize for my poor english. Prepare for the Worst and Hope for the Best!
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"the cabin is having ventilation - but the air is not filtered"
I assumed from that you were talking about a ventilation system without a proper filter.
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Originally posted by Germ Nerdier Germ Nerdier wrote:

"the cabin is having ventilation - but the air is not filtered"
I assumed from that you were talking about a ventilation system without a proper filter.

Yes, Germ Nerdier you are right. I`m positive that the filtering system If any its not filtering the viruses. As I said just imagine the maintenance and the additional cost of this. I`m also wondering how the air system filtering is working on a air plane? Lets say the Ebola symptomatic Girl is sneezing - how the aerosols are moving and if they are filtered ?
Because you might think about never going on a plane again either :) For me the small toilet on a plane its a place to avoid. Imagine a 9H flight - how many persons will use that toilet? How many will wash (I don't say PROPER wash just WASH) their hands after ?
And I can tell you one more thing about this ...I just remember this and I feel like I really want to share with you guys here. I will try to be as short as I can:
While I was working on that Ship we were stopping to "Private Island Coco Cay". There you can do some nice water sports including Kayaking. Because I was a crew I got a kayak for few hours for free. To be able to use that kayak you need to wear that "life vest".

During that activity (kayaking) ofc you are sweating the vest. Then after you are done with the kayak the vest is placed on a wood rack to dry out but without any disinfection. They are placed one on top of other so the sweat its very well sitting there for some time. Next person (wearing same as me just the short its going to kayak and wear the SAME vest from the person who just get out from kayak. I did that kayaking sport few times and one time I got some kind of Skin rashes. I thought it will heal itself in few hours, but was not my case. So next day I went to see the ship doctor - he told me - You got an ALLERGY.-maybe food. In my mind was clear that he was wrong, because my red spot on the skin was getting bigger. Fortunately my working contract was ended just in the next day or so, so I say "its ok I will go home and see there a Doctor" . I did that (flying 9h in a plane with eatching skin its not that nice). At home i find out that i got a Pityriasis fungus. I got the right treatment and get rid of it very fast.
that's all folks
But I'm sure right now if you go to Coco Key you will find same life vest in the same place with same nice sweat on them. (since was the Company private Island) no1 will bother to go there and check the sanitation on life vests.
I do apologize for my poor english. Prepare for the Worst and Hope for the Best!
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Grady,

As far as I know the air on a plane is cycled through the cabin (had always assumed it was filtered).
Even if filtered, it is not sufficient for Ebola.
The CDC issued guidelines for air transport of Ebola patients saying the patients should be transported as the only patient with minimal number of crew, or in a separate compartment, or contained in a portable plastic'tent ' (I forget the exact wording). If those options are not available, at minimum the patient should be provided with a mask/respirator to contain exhaled aerosols.
NOT comforting to know that if you have been sitting next to a coughing passenger who later is said to have Ebola.
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