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GOP Rep. Tom Rooney Breaks Ranks On Russia Report: ‘We’ve Lost All Credibility’


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-rooney-russia-report-cnn_us_5aa726d5e4b009b705d573f0


don't even get me started

SOME of us make it a point to keep informed

others

watch FOX NewsLOL

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Phil Mudd Rips GOP Intel Committee Report: 'I Wouldn't Wipe My Ass With It!'

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/phil-mudd-rips-gop-intel-committee-report


well said sir


WELL SAID LOL


ANYTHING Devin Nunes has anything to do with

HAS to be a fraud,a farce or a lie

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Technophobe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2018 at 7:09am
Frankly, Trump's innocence or guilt will remain hidden (and argued over) until at least the end of this enquiry, probably long after.  Those of us outside the loop (ie. almost everyone) who only have propaganda to go on, may be convinced.  But, that is because we choose information sources who  back up our already formed opinions.

This one will run and run.

Talking of already formed opinions:  I am still looking for a right-wing news source to replace Fox news.  Finding out just how inaccurate their stuff is has left my attempts at seeing both sides very lop sided.  Can anyone help?
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its a bit of of a scary  to call it Fox news , News 

even more scary to think that people watch it and whats more believe it 
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Agreed, Carbon.  I was horrified (when they reported inaccurately* on a subject I personally knew better about) by just how inaccurate they were.  I understood 'reputable' news agencies to have a great deal of oversight from a number of quangoes. 

The obfuscation, twisting and outright lies they spouted shocked me profoundly.  It made everything else they reported deeply suspect.

This is genuinely problematic.  Although the lies, damn lies and statistics from the left-leaning press has not been shown to be as extreme (this time) I can't take everything they say as gospel without hearing the other side as well, but I don't have a right-wing side to listen to anymore AND I NEED ONE!

However desperate, I will never watch Fox News again:  "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!" as my mother used to say.






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Joe Biden When He Saw The Intelligence: “If this is true, It’s treason.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/13/1748605/-Joe-Biden-When-He-Saw-The-Intelligence-If-this-is-true-It-s-treason

In the last weeks of the Obama presidency, Vice President Joe Biden was briefed on intelligence reports on the connections between assorted Trump associates and Russians. He had a visceral reaction. “If this is true,” he exclaimed. “It’s treason.”
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Trey Gowdy admits that the Republican House Intelligence report is fundamentally wrong

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/14/1748905/-Trey-Gowdy-admits-that-the-Republican-House-Intelligence-report-is-fundamentally-wrong

LOL !!!

even the odious Trey Gowdy admits the Republican report is a big bag of %&*^%$
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Trump continues to shine despite a hostile media, a corrupt CIA and FBI and a host of complete and total falsehood. It is possible he will win the Nobel Peace Prize for finally muzzling Kim Jong-un and forcing him to abandon his nuclear program.

In the mean time, we have a new ally.  We have never really been that close with France and now they have a renegade as well, Macron, not a classic politician attempting to fight ISIS and free the world of the terrorist threat.

Macron is a very effective and honest man. His comments were very interesting this morning and I feel he has an insight into Trump and an understanding. We need unity with U.K. and France as allies against the terrorists and ISIS.

Our president continues to shine and perhaps is doing more for our country than any other president has in years.

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You're entitled to your views, Med, but I see nothing Trump has done since taking office that qualifies as shining. Unless we're talking about the flickering of the flames in his dumpster fire of a presidency.

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I've got to agree with Jacksdad, Med.

Trump does appear to be quite good with money, as are most Republicans.  But unlike other Republicans, he seems to have made a total shambles of everything else. 

Believe me, over here, he is a laughing stock.  No one on this side of the pond can understand what so many Americans can see in him.  I mean we really don't get it.  We see a man with more flaws than the Devil, mired in controvesy, uncaring about the people he hurts and lacking in any redeeming features save one - good with money.  That is not enough to make a good man; or even a human being - a soulless computer can do that.

I concede he is "good with money" and that has advantages, but nothing else.  I see him as a shame on your nation that many Americans were duped into voting for.  I hope it was a mistake.  If you all voted for the real Trump - I can't say what I think.  I don't want to lose that many friends.
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Technophobe, I can tell you what the American People see in Trump. A chance to drain the Swamp. D.C. is so corrupt Republicans and Democrats. Many Republicans are dumping out of running because they can't do as many dirty deals and Democrats just don't care they stay because no matter what they will continue to do the dirty deals. Dems just do not care they deal dirty all the time.

You in Europe better be glad the American People made Trump President because if we have to bail your butts out again like we did in WWI and WWII you better be glad Trump is President. And if Trump is not President you better hope that you get another Republican President because no Democrat President will come to Europe's Aid again. Roosevelt and Kennedy were more Republican than many Republicans today. The Democrats will sell their mother for a little money in their own pockets so they would never help Europe again. Look at Obama he made a mess of everything and Trump is trying to correct all of his screw ups. North Korea and the Middle East just to name two.

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Trump continues to shine despite a hostile media, a corrupt CIA and FBI and a host of complete and total falsehood. It is possible he will win the Nobel Peace Prize for finally muzzling Kim Jong-un and forcing him to abandon his nuclear program.

LOL You really believe that Trump will be able to smooth-talk Kim into giving up his nukes??  

Kim can easily halt warhead testing = he has designs that they have proven will work.  Pakistan, India, Israel etc. have all done the same thing.  With modern super-computers, you can do the equivalent of "fine-tuning" the warheads without actually blowing them up (which wastes fissile material).  Same goes for his missile launches = they work.  

Also, the main test site in North Korea is so damaged that it is in danger of leaking radiation: 


Nukes are all Kim has to prevent regime change, the chance that he will surrender those to a smooth-talking master negotiator like Trump is exactly zero.  Worst President, ever.




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Americans have never bailed out anyone, everything they do and have done is in the best interests of the American people, you seem to over look the fact you got your arses kicked in Vietnam,coz you never had the Brit's with you......the Great Amnesia of the USA....you deserve Chump the world dosnt.......
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you did nothing for England,in fact the UK had only recently paid your extortionate loan off for all the weapons you sold them
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Yeah, You helped us in WWII.  You did not do so until You were attacked at Pearl Harbour and then YOU CHARGED US FOR IT!  We only finished paying in the 80s.  So don't act as if that was the greatest act of friendship ever.  We fought too, for longer and we faced the Blitz.  Had Hitler defeated us, the world would be a far darker place.  So thank you for your help, but don't imagine it made you look like avenging angels or even best friends - just great businessmen.

I actually liked Obama, but I concede he was far from perfect.  I like most of your Past Presidents on both sides of the house.  Trump however stands out - for all the wrong reasons. 

America is a great country.  It's manufacturing might is the envy of the free world.  It is truly the land of opportunities.  But, it is not a caring country. It is not a safe country.  Justice is only available for the rich; medicine likewise.  Jobs for the workers may be growing in number but the legislation to protect them is shrinking - do you WANT to be slaves?  Because that is what you are being turned into.  Having a bit of paper which calls you a free citizen does not make you one.  The freedom to avoid opression, incarceration, disease and poverty does. 

I occasionally watch American TV.  Every decision faced by every adult comes back to money.  In America you die without it.  The governments of most other countries try to save the poor.  But, as demonstrated by your TV dramas, the need to maintain a job at any cost is paramount.  Great to make your nation strong!  But why?  Strong for what?  Does it then care for those who worked so hard?  AND THE WORST PART OF THIS IS THAT THE SLAVERY IS SO COMPLETE YOU CAN NO LONGER SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS!

How you expect a billionaire, who left many of his investors bankrupt to change this is simply beyond me. He may have placed pipes and pumps into the swamp, but the flow of sewage is going the wrong way.


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It's easy to fool people ,harder to get them to see they been FOOLED....
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Sometimes the truth hurts.......

Well said technophobe....
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Well I have been researching America's role in the first world war; to my shame I knew little about it.

It turns out that your involvement only occurred in 1917, although the war raged from 1914 onwards.  Worse, American involvement was only brought about because their own ships were being lost due to U-boat attacks - AND THAT CUT INTO THEIR PROFITS.

Make no mistake, the first world war showered Britain in something very, very far from glory, but America can't claim the moral, friendship or courage high ground here either. 

Source:   https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-one/america-and-world-war-one/

Thank you Flumom, for encouraging me to fill in this shameful hole in my knowledge.  I am sorry to have uncovered no glory or either of us.
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Med said "In the mean time, we have a new ally. We have never really been that close with France and now they have a renegade as well, Macron, not a classic politician attempting to fight ISIS and free the world of the terrorist threat."   

Really?!!! France is the oldest ally the United States has! Since B Franklin signed the Treaty of Amity and Commerce and the Treaty of Alliance in 1778 we have been allies. The French have always come to our aid faster than we've come to theirs! Learn your history!!

Also,

To all you Brits: I'm Scots and Irish and my elders still tell stories of how we were treated in "the old country"! We came here and with the help of the French kicked the English out which is more than most of you can say! My family fought in both WW I and WW II, and yes, it took too long for us to join in on both but what has the U K ever done for us! We've been enemies as often as we've been allies!

And also! Don't believe American TV represents American life, it doesn't! Don't confuse the far righteous anomaly that is Trump with the soul of America! Like all countries we have our fair share of Fascists but they are a tiny minority! We are no more slaves than you are Techno! We are a free people! We may not always choose rightly but we can always change our minds!
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.......  Which is what I am hoping for.  I don't think Trump is normal for America.  I don't think Trump is normal for anyone.  I don't think Trump is normal!  I really firmly believe the American people (well at least half of them) were duped.  I am worried that some of them still are.

Wage slavery, when it overrides other important parts of life, is still slavery in a way.  It is less overt; it locks people into economic traps instead of locking them up in chains.  But the freedom is still gone.  I have the choice to move around for love or homesickness, not just for a better salary, because the better salary gives me designer clothes, not better healthcare.  I am lucky enough to have been able to drop the big wage packet and replace it with true treasures.  I want that freedom for everyone else.

I don't think Britain is perfect - very far from it!  Historically they were absolutely ghastly!  Actually I am mostly Irish - with a bit of Welsh and a bit of Scots.  My own Grandfather was educated in a hedge school, because Irish education was illegal - then they made jokes about us being thick.  CHARMING!!  

Freedom, care, justice, democracy and security are ephemeral things which have to be fought for, or they evaporate.  Britain has it about right for now, but who knows for how long?  (I have an Irish passport just in case........................)  That risk applies to every country on the planet.  If you don't see them evaporating you can't fight to retain them. 

I'm too old and decrepit to march off with a rifle now, but democracy, freedom and care can be fought for with pen and keyboard as well.  The upside of that is I can fight for my friends at the same time.

I could pick an argument with most past Presidents, but overall they were generally great guys.  I really wish I could say that of Trump.  It is not even a question of left/right, more a question of right/wrong.  I could shut up and upset nobody, but I chose to fight for my friends.  You would tell your friend if you saw someone lifting their wallet, even if it embarrased your friend.  A true friend speaks up if they see their pal making a fool of himself, even if that mention sparks an argument.

Trump is a conman, with a trail of wounded in his wake - some mortally.  Now he is in a position to do that to a whole country, maybe even the whole world.
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