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Ps.  That Luke Messer should be renamed: Lick ***er.
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Trump Was Outfoxed in Singapore


It sure looks as if President Trump was hoodwinked in Singapore.

Trump made a huge concession — the suspension of military exercises with South Korea. That’s on top of the broader concession of the summit meeting itself, security guarantees he gave North Korea and the legitimacy that the summit provides his counterpart, Kim Jong-un.

Within North Korea, the “very special bond” that Trump claimed to have formed with Kim will be portrayed this way: Kim forced the American president, through his nuclear and missile tests, to accept North Korea as a nuclear equal, to provide security guarantees to North Korea, and to cancel war games with South Korea that the North has protested for decades.

In exchange for these concessions, Trump seems to have won astonishingly little. In a joint statement, Kim merely “reaffirmed” the same commitment to denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that North Korea has repeatedly made since 1992.

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No surprise there - without an army of high powered lawyers, and his usual bully/litigate/stall tactics, he's a mediocre deal maker at best.


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The Trump-Kim Summit Was Not A Failure But It Did Disappoint

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2018/06/12/trump-kim-summit-not-failure-disappoint/

what the %^&$#% ???

the so called summit is already over
and Trump walked away with ?????

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.


really?

that's it ????


so much for the great "deal maker" LOL

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South Korea Blindsided By Trump War Games Agreement



U.S. President Donald Trump’s declaration on Tuesday that he intended to end joint military exercises in Korea seemed to be news to both South Korean and U.S. military officials.
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The left would criticize anything President Trump does...just a fact. I agree with Our President we do not spend money on these puffery war games. It does not add to peace. Now you lefties love Peace so I would think that this is a good thing but NO President Trump did this so it is BAD! Give me a break people!
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If Obama had done this all of you would be giving glowing reviews like you did for the Iran deal which was the WORST deal we could have done. Again Give me a break!
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what exactly did Trump "achieve"  ??

some reiteration of old agreements and nothing more

and then he threw SK under the bus

sure Trump looks good when you set the bar 2 inches above the floorLOL

is there something we are not understanding ??????????
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North Korea: What Trump Gave Up For A Weak Deal And Photo-Op

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/06/trump-weak-deal-and-photo-op

the more that comes out about this so called summit
the WORSE it looks

as they say in Texas

ALL HAT AND NO COWBOY
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There is no way ANYTHING concrete was going to be conceded by NK at this summit.  All that was possible was opening the door, whoever was doing the negotiating.

I am surprised at the cessation of the "Wargames", but I honestly do not know if this is a good or bad thing.  We will have to wait and see.  It was rather rude not to let the South Korean allies know that said games were on the negotiating table, but even they seem happy enough.  So, neither win or fowl there.

It was a truly wonderful publicity stunt by both sides.  That is the only thing I can say with any certainty.
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North Korea ‘Could Have The Best Hotels’ On Its Beaches, Trump Raves To Kim



lets all ahead to NK for a vaca at the beach !!!

course keep in mind the last person who vacationed there returned brain damaged and died
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Ps.  We only have Kim's word that he destroyed his nuclear research facility.  Sure he blew something up.  But, with no nuclear armament specialists at the bang, just journalists with very carefully managed access to any source of information, he could have been destroying anything at all.

Even if it was a research facility, which I doubt, the research has been done already and who is to say there were not more facilities?
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Trump Suspends Joint "War Games" With South Korea, As China Emerges Big Summit Winner


  • the lack of deal enforcement
  • the lack of verifiability of N.Korea's denuclearization efforts as part of the "Complete, Verifiable, Irreversible  Denuclearization" or CVID protocol
  • the legitimization of North Korea's regime
  • China's role in the process
  • the end of joint military drills with South Korea.
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again i SAY watch China's LONG game ,

North Korea is China PUPPET,

China Planning way way past Chump's mental ability to comprehend what is really going on here ,

it was China conducting the Atomic tests NOT North Korea,

and nobody has picked up on the Unusual Brain problems of American embassy staffers at certain locations , is this a secret weapon being developed By SOMEONE,

you all been played for a bunch of fools 

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The general analysis I am hearing here is that the meeting was a win for Kim, with Trump giving up lots of things and getting nothing concrete in its place.

I do hope that it is an opening for other changes in the region, but as yet it is just a photo opportunity for a leader who in the days before blow off his most important allies.  

Dutch Josh on his 3rd World War thread, has a good comment on some of the other important players in the mix (China, Russia, South Korea - plus Japan). The complexity of the issues which include the possibility of the reuniting of the Korean peninsular must involve more people and can not be hashed out in a one to one meeting.


The BBC has an interesting write up .... not all conservatives are in agreement on the "success"
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A few other conservatives expressed dismay at seeing the US and North Korean flags side-by-side, and viewed Mr Trump's solicitous manner and warm words for Mr Kim as too much, given his nation's history of human rights violations.

"Needless to say, we would've wrecked Obama for doing this," tweeted conservative blogger Allahpundit.


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Both sides are guilty of that charge.  To the Trumpians everything Obama did was crap.  To the Obamians everything Trump does is crap. 

I am neither.  Obama made a few mistakes and Trump got a few things right. 

On average however, Trump does seem to accrue more fails and embarrasments.  Overall, this one seems exceptionally vile, inhuman and disgusting; (and that is a big score to top or should I say Trump). 

Of course, history could prove me wrong here; he might make it work yet.  But, I am not holding my breath.
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Incidentally, not all Republicans automatically swallow the coolaid:

McConnell Backs Obamacare Coverage of Pre-Existing Illness


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Donald Trump’s Kim Jong Un Meeting Achieved Nothing and North Korea Isn’t Destroying Weapons Sites, Classified Report Reveals


https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-203636381.html

Trump "the deal maker "

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not so muchLOL
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Have we seen this all before? The Trump-Kim summit statement, annotated

Posted about 2 hours ago

After months of anticipation and false starts, US President Donald Trump's meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in Singapore culminated in the signing of a joint statement.

Mr Trump said the summit went "better than anybody could have expected" and when asked what made this time different, Mr Trump said America had a different administration and a different president.

But there was nonetheless a sense of deja vu in the air — North Korea has agreed to concessions in the past, before abruptly reneging on its commitments and continuing its pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Previous agreements include the Agreed Framework in 1994, negotiated under then president Bill Clinton, and the six-party joint statement in 2005, negotiated under then president George W Bush.

So what exactly is new? And what have we seen before?

We enlisted the help of North Korea experts Justin Hastings, an associate professor in the Department of Government and International Relations at Sydney University, and Leonid Petrov, a Korean studies expert at the Australian National University, to help us answer those questions in the highlighted sections below.

The full statement, annotated

President Donald J Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong-un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong-un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognising that mutual confidence-building can promote the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work towards complete denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit — the first in history — was an epochal event of great significance and overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously.

The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.

President Donald J Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong-un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

June 12, 2018

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Singapore summit echoes Hitler-Chamberlain meeting in 1938, but offering 'lots of great condos' in our time

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VIDEO: 'They have great beaches': Trump says North Korea could develop condos (ABC News)

Four days after he took office, US President Donald Trump made good on a campaign pledge and withdrew the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

He had derided the painstakingly negotiated 12-nation treaty as a "potential disaster for our country" because of the harm it would do to manufacturing jobs.

But now, in his meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, Mr Trump has set off on what may become a new type of Trans-Pacific Partnership, this time under his own terms.

President Trump: "They have great beaches. You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, boy look at that, wouldn't that make a great condo…And I explain, you know, instead of doing that you could have the best hotels in the world right there."

Only this one will tie the United States to a Communist country with which it was at war six decades ago, and also possibly open the door to more ties to another Communist country, China, with which the US only re-established relations under another Republican president, Richard M Nixon, in 1972.

Mr Trump's audacity is still reverberating in political circles in the United States and elsewhere. But he was perhaps unintentionally clear in at least one of his aims for the detente with North Korea.

Although it was ostensibly portrayed as an effort to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons, Mr Trump unveiled another goal in a news conference after the meeting in Singapore.

"As an example, they have great beaches," Mr Trump mused. "You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, 'Boy, look at that view. Wouldn't that make a great condo.'"

He went on, "You could have the best hotels in the world right there. Think of it from a real estate perspective. You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great."

Echoes of Adolf Hitler meeting in 1938

It was a revealing moment, but it also brought to mind another meeting between a Western leader and another strongman, this one from Germany, that took place 80 years ago.

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YOUTUBE: Chamberlain declares 'I believe it is peace in our time' in 1938

In September, 1938, British prime minister Neville Chamberlain travelled to Munich, along with French prime minister Eduard Daladier and Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, to meet with Adolf Hitler.

The meeting resulted in an agreement that allowed Germany to annex a portion of Czechoslovakia, after Germany had reclaimed the Rhineland and took control of Austria. It was clear that Germany would take control of the German-speaking Sudetenland by force, unless European leaders would get out of his way.

Chamberlain agreed, thinking that war had been avoided. And in one of the biggest miscalculations in history, he told a crowd gathered at 10 Downing Street: "I believe it is peace for our time."

In fact, Germany's ambitions did not end there, and Britain declared war on Germany a year later.

A number of analysts said on Tuesday that Mr Trump was miscalculating by agreeing to a number of steps, such as ending joint military exercises with South Korea, without significant concessions from Mr Kim.

Trump ditching allies for new friends in Asia

There were reports that Chinese officials knew about the step before the US informed its embassy in South Korea and, most certainly, before the US told other allies about the step.

But Mr Trump, in just this past week, has shown that he is dispensing with America's traditional partners in the West, and turning to a new set of friends, namely those who have welcomed him in Asia.

His spat with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over steel and aluminium tariffs threatens to explode into a bigger trade war over auto parts.

That tangle and his running disagreements with French Prime Minister Emmanuel Macron over climate change prompted Mr Trump's refusal to sign a joint G7 statement, leave Charlevoix, Quebec early, and fire off angry tweets from Air Force One on his way to Singapore to rendezvous with Mr Kim.

His smiles, and arm pats and handshakes there were a sharp contrast to the stormy scene he left behind him.

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VIDEO: Trump says war games with South Korea have been suspended (ABC News)

Trump supporters watch their guy go

All of it was exactly what Mr Trump's supporters want to see. First, the belligerent candidate they put into office acting in trademark fashion, and then pulling off the kind of public spectacle with the North Korean dictator that no other president would attempt, let alone tolerate.

Even Mr Trump, however, knows that his bold action may end up in failure, just as Chamberlain's agreement with Hitler blew up in Europe's face 80 years ago.

North Korea has said numerous times that it was willing to discuss denuclearisation, only to fail to follow through. Meanwhile, it has continued to test nuclear weapons, which are the main leverage it has over its Asian neighbours, as well as the West.

Mr Trump, despite his euphoria, seemed to be setting the bar low. And in a statement displaying the brashness his biographers and other journalists have come to know, he admitted his gamble with Mr Kim could be for naught.

"I may be wrong," Mr Trump said during the news conference. "I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey, I was wrong'.

"I don't know that I'll ever admit that," he said with a smile, "but I'll find some kind of an excuse."

He may like to brush up on his World War II history.

Chamberlain, as Britain headed into war with Germany, told the House of Commons:

"Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have hoped for, everything that I have believed in during my public life has crashed into ruins."

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