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The US is always the bad guy but I bet China puts out 100 times more co2 than the US. Someone have the stats on China?
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His wife has a climate skeptic blog that he regularly contributes to; despite all those degrees, he still has no formal training in any climate related discipline; and the article was written by syndicated conservative radio host (and vocal climate change denier), Miranda Devine. There is more than enough bias just in that little group there for me to be extremely dubious about their motivations, and consequently the validity of the argument being presented. Now that's a perfect example of being careful who you listen to.
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same topic being discussed over at Peak Oil

http://peakoil.com/forums/new-model-refutes-man-caused-climate-change-t71888.html

I think it is safe to say Evans has been thoroughly debunked
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http://www.todayszaman.com/world_ocean-heat-wave-harm-worlds-coral-reefs-this-year_400986.html

coral reefs are suffering a severe underwater heat wave this year for the third time on record, including a mysterious warm patch in the Pacific known as "The Blob," scientists said on Thursday.

The bout of record high temperatures in parts of the oceans, stoked by climate change, is expected to kill more than 12,000 square kilometers (4,600 ) of reefs, or about five percent of the global total, they said. The experts, including the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), said similar alerts about damage to reefs had been issued only in 2010 and 1998, both extremely warm years. Corals, tiny creatures which build stony skeletons, eject the colorful algae they live with when under stress. That bleaches the reefs -- some corals can bounce back when temperatures fall but many die from long-lasting whitening. Corals are nurseries for many species of fish and provide livelihoods for millions of people. "This is the third time we've had a global bleaching event," Mark Eakin, coordinator at NOAA's Coral Reef Watch, told Reuters, saying experts would have spotted such wide damage to reefs even decades ago when monitoring was less thorough. "2015 has now seen coral bleaching occurring in reefs in the northern Pacific, Indian, equatorial Pacific, and western Atlantic Oceans," the alert said.

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Look another extremely smart person that agrees with me...

'To any unprejudiced person reading this account, the facts should be obvious: that the non-climatic effects of carbon dioxide as a sustainer of wildlife and crop plants are enormously beneficial, that the possibly harmful climatic effects of carbon dioxide have been greatly exaggerated, and that the benefits clearly outweigh the possible damage.

I consider myself an unprejudiced person and to me these facts are obvious. But the same facts are not obvious to the majority of scientists and politicians who consider carbon dioxide to be evil and dangerous. The people who are supposed to be experts and who claim to understand the science are precisely the people who are blind to the evidence.....'

'Sometimes, as in the use of bleeding as a treatment for various diseases, irrational belief did harm to a large number of human victims. George Washington was one of the victims. Other irrational beliefs, such as the phlogiston theory of burning or the Aristotelian cosmology of circular celestial motions, only did harm by delaying the careful examination of nature. In all these cases, we see a community of people happily united in a false belief that brought leaders and followers together. Anyone who questioned the prevailing belief would upset the peace of the community.'

 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/13/top-physicist-freeman-dyson-obama-picked-wrong-side-climate-change/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Scientific consensuses does not equal scientific fact.
Is he also so easily debunked?
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and yet we continue to set one high temp record after another after another after another




Déjà Vu Again: Hot September Drives 2015 To Hottest Year On Record

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...-hottest-year/

and the glaciers continue to retreat mile after mile

and now the thermohaline currents are starting to slow because of so much fresh water intrusion
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Satori... How come when ever they come out with revisions to the climate data, it is always too show cooler temps in the past and hotter temps in the present?

Any honest rational person realizes that we have NO WAY to accurate measure the warmth of the earth.   We have surfaces temps that most happen around developed areas, and we have sea surface temps.  However both of those have very little to do with climate... much more connected to weather and seasonal changes.  Can we actually measure the total heat in the entire atmosphere or the oceans?

If anyone has ever studied the economy and/or statistics you will very easily see how numbers and statistics can be massaged to create what ever outcome they want.  Whenever I look at the climate data... these sorts of manipulations of the data jump out at me BIG time.   There is way to much money to prove that global warming is real... there is no money in the research community to prove that the earth is going to be fine.  Who will pay for a study saying everything is okay?


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simple question

most of the worlds glaciers are

A.staying the same
B.increasing in size
C. melting

True or False
The thermohaline currents are
A.staying the same
B.increasing in speed
C.decreasing in speed
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"most of the worlds glaciers"   This is something that is very difficult to evaluate.   Much of it has to do with regional weather.

I have a counter question for you...   If we take there data at face value, this shrinking in glaciers started WELL before we started to significantly add CO2 to the atmosphere.    What made the glaciers melt 200-300 years ago?

As to the thermohaline currents  I have to be honest that I don't know enough at the moment to make an informed comment.   Thank you for a new topic of study for me!
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Satori's correct. There has been significant glacial melt in the last century or so. I did post a bunch of before and after pics of glaciers in another thread. I'll post a link when I get home rather than reposting the pictures.
Here's one for you - if it's impossible to ascertain the mean global temperature, what evidence are climate change deniers using when they (wrongly) claim that there's been a hiatus in warming for the last decade and a half?
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http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tropical-threat-heightens-risk/53016886

Patricia Eyes Mexico With Catastrophic Force as Strongest Hurricane on Record

Patricia, a Category 5 hurricane with maximum sustained winds of 200 mph, will bring catastrophic wind and storm surge damage to southwestern Mexico later Friday into Friday night.

According to AccuWeather Meteorologist Becky Elliott, "Patricia rapidly intensified from a Category 1 hurricane with winds of 85 mph early Thursday to a 200-mph Category 5 hurricane 24 hours later." The central pressure of the storm dropped 100 mb during this time.

To put in perspective, a 'weather bomb' in the mid-latitudes is classified as a pressure drop of 24 mb in a 24-hour period.

Patricia became the strongest hurricane on record Friday morning. The estimated central pressure of Patricia dropped to 880 mb, breaking the record of 894 mb from Hurricane Linda in the eastern Pacific set in 1997 and also surpassing the 882 mb pressure of Hurricane Wilma in the Atlantic from 2005. The maximum sustained winds of 200 mph (160 knots) breaks the previous wind speed record from Linda and Wilma (185 mph) for the strongest surface winds ever in the area of responsibility of the National Hurricane Center.

and http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/flooding-tropical-downpours-patricia-texas-oklahoma-central-us/53098639

Also: http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/asia-winter-forecast-201516/52956828

Asia Winter Forecast 2015-16: Drought to Continue From India to Singapore; Typhoon Numbers May Challenge Record

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http://www.ingentaconnect.com//igsoc/jog/pre-prints/-ings_jog_15j071;jsessionid=pi1c23u2cqo4.alexandra - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/igsoc/jog/pre-prints/content-ings_jog_15j071;jsessionid=pi1c23u2cqo4.alexandra
 

Mass gains of the Antarctic ice sheet exceed losses

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http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/10/methane-vent-hole-in-arctic-sea-ice.html

Malcolm Light comments: "The whole of the Arctic seabed is covered with methane hydrates and NASA satellites should have long ago defined where the major plumes were coming out. It is clearly a surface methane vent hole in the ocean ice analogous to the large methane vent holes that appeared all over northern Siberia this year. It means we have overheated the Arctic seafloor to the extent where the methane hydrates are now unstable and we could have further major releases at any time. We have already lit the fuse on a giant methane subsea permafrost bomb in the Arctic which can go off at any moment."
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Study of huge Siberian craters shows Giant Pool of Methane below them


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/05/1444911/-Study-of-huge-Siberian-craters-shows-Giant-Pool-of-Methane-below-them


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Earthquakefrequency in the Arctic is increasing both by methane-release and releasing more methane (and other gasses, some more greenhouse, some "cooling-anti-greenhouse-gasses, breaking those gasses down"). It is an illusion to think release will go smoothly. More "big burps". I understand methane layers in the atmosphere are slowly moving from the poles southward. 

If nature can get things in balance that would be nice, humans proberbly will not be able to do so.....
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http://climatenewsnetwork.net/antarctic-ice-shelf-melting-could-double-by-2050/

LONDON, 14 October, 2015 – Scientists find that the combination of global warming and powerful winds sweeping snow off the ice of Antarctica threatens to speed up sea level rise.

Antarctica, the planet’s largest desert, is home to 90% of the world’s ice – enough to raise global sea levels by at least 60 metres. So what happens to its ice and snow is a matter of serious concern to all of us.

One group has just predicted that, by 2050, the rate at which the ice shelves melt will double. Another reports that powerful winds are not just shifting Antarctica’s snow, but are also blowing 80 billion tonnes of it away, into the sea or the atmosphere.

Both cases exemplify the challenges of climate research and the construction of projections for the future.

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https://www.wmo.int/media/content/greenhouse-gas-concentrations-hit-yet-another-record

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Interaction between CO2 and water vapour amplifies warming

Geneva 9 November 2015 (WMO) The amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere reached yet another new record high in 2014, continuing a relentless rise which is fuelling climate change and will make the planet more dangerous and inhospitable for future generations.

The World Meteorological Organization’s Greenhouse Gas Bulletin says that between 1990 and 2014 there was a 36% increase in radiative forcing – the warming effect on our climate – because of long-lived greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) from industrial, agricultural and domestic activities.

The WMO report also highlights the interaction and amplification effect between rising levels of CO2  and water vapour, which is itself a major greenhouse gas, albeit short-lived. Warmer air holds more moisture and so increased surface temperatures caused by CO2would lead to a rise in global water vapour levels, further adding to the enhanced greenhouse effect.  Further increases in CO2concentrations will lead to disproportionately high increases in thermal energy and warming from water vapour. 

 “Every year we report a new record in greenhouse gas concentrations,” said WMO Secretary-General Michel Jarraud.  “Every year we say that time is running out. We have to act NOW to slash greenhouse gas emissions if we are to have a chance to keep the increase in temperatures to manageable levels.”

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 – the most important long-lived greenhouse gas – reached 397.7 parts per million (ppm) in 2014.  In the Northern hemisphere COconcentrations crossed the symbolically significant 400 ppm level in 2014 spring, when COis most abundant.  In spring 2015, the global average concentration of CO2 crossed the 400 ppm barrier.

“We will soon be living with globally averaged CO2 levels above 400 parts per million as a permanent reality,” Said Mr Jarraud

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http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/11/ocean-heat.html

Sea Surface Temperatures

Sea surface temperatures were as high as 15.8°C or 60.4°F near Svalbard on November 7, 2015, a 13.7°C or 24.7°F anomaly. Let this sink in for a moment. The water used to be close to freezing point near Svalbard around this time of year, and the water now is warmer by as much as 13.7°C or 24.7°F.
Ocean heat will increasingly threaten to reach the seafloor and unleash huge methane eruptions from destabilizing clathrates. Such large methane eruptions will then warm the atmosphere at first in hotspots over the Arctic and eventually around the globe, while also causing huge temperature swings and extreme weather events, contributing to increasing depletion of fresh water and food supply.
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https://www.facebook.com/mhhensel/posts/10156326886215089

Temperatures follow greenhouse gases. Here is a chart of methane's increase. We have reached the point where methane takes over the dominate controlling factor of the climate. C02, while still important, is no longer the dominate factor. Methane's dominance projects out as being complete by 2022. "Natural' climate system variability's have been overwhelmed by methane and C02. The composition of the atmosphere has changed and so has the climate. Credits go to Dr. Malcolm Light, Sam Carana & NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/its-official-biggest-nino-ever-killer-la-nina-follow

This morning NOAA released its data for the Pacific Ocean temperatures for the week of November 9th. We hit a record - the current El Nino is the strongest in recorded history.

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October Obliterated Heat Records

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Methane feeds subsea ice mounds off Siberia and may be the step before the dreaded methane blowout

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451488/-Methane-feeds-subsea-ice-mounds-off-Siberia-and-may-be-the-step-before-the-dreaded-methane-blowout
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http://news.yahoo.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-why-earth-still-warming-125427252.html

Editor's Note: This story was updated to show that the NASA study used ERS satellite data, not GRACE satellite data, between 1992 - 2001. GRACE was not launched until 2002.
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Harold, this is off topic but I've been wanting to ask you a question. Is Methane being discussed seriously at the upcoming international conference on climate change?
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Harold H Hensel The IPCC conservative scientists say that methane cannot be precisely quantified with confidence so they do not include it in the assessments. I don't know how much methane information will make it to Paris. There is so much methane coming up from "everywhere" that it is hard to quantify. However, not including it is a big mistake. Hopefully something about methane will make it. There is credible data that indicates that methane has begun to take over the dominate climate forcing position. C02 is still a factor but methane has taken the lead in influencing the climate. Hopefully there will be scientists there that will make this point. Also, there should be other people who are not constrained by a strict orthodox scientific protocol that can give obvious and credible observational information about methane to the conference. The Paris Conference will miss the boat if they don't deal with methane. Here is where you are not off subject. Climate Scientists are so gun shy about being attacked by climate change deniers that the scientific information they present is completely air tight and provable beyond any question of a doubt. This slows down scientific information about methane from being presented. Most, with a few notable exceptions, don't say what they know.
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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:

Harold, this is off topic but I've been wanting to ask you a question. Is Methane being discussed seriously at the upcoming international conference on climate change?

Dutch Josh, that one is in my wheelhouse.  I've studied anthropogenic methane production since the 1980s, and have built large mitigation projects under Kyoto Protocols.  

Methane is definitely on the table at COP 21, please see:


In many ways, anthropogenic methane should be one of the easier greenhouse gases to mitigate, as we can do many things:

  • improve animal manure handling and land application: more methane is produced from intensive animal agriculture than from the oil/gas industry!   If we simply collected the manure, allowed the methane to form under a cover & capture it for fuel, we would make a lot of  progress. 
  • improve animal nutrition: many ruminants belch & excrete manure as a byproduct of their rumen fermentation, and there is intense research underway to improve and modify the diet of ruminants so that they don't make so much of the stuff!  
  • Change human diet - if we ate more poultry & vegetarian dishes, we could reduce a great deal of environmental degradation.  This is difficult to do in the USA, as we are addicted to red meat it seems.  
Climate change shouldn't be so hard, it makes sense to conserve resources, treat wastes responsibly and protect the environment.  


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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:


  • Change human diet - if we ate more poultry & vegetarian dishes, we could reduce a great deal of environmental degradation.  This is difficult to do in the USA, as we are addicted to red meat it seems.  


Even harder when you consider that developing nations are acquiring a taste for western style diets, Chuck - red meat consumption in particular. I swear that intensive farming will be the death of us all between the overuse of antibiotics/antivirals, environment degradation due to manure runoff, reassortment of flu viruses in pigs/poultry, ridiculously high water consumption, and now methane production.


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CRS, DrPH thanks for your reaction. The picture I am getting is that the non-human release of methane (from the seabed, de-frozen permafrost etc.) is the big issue. http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/microwaving-the-atmosphere-to-mitigate-methane/ There are ways to break down methane. The worry is that this proces could create other problems. 

Nevertheless humans can make a lot of difference. We as consumers make our own choices and politics seem te be running after the public in stead of leading the way. More and more people realize we are "consuming" the future of next generations (also by creating national debts that can not be repaid-needs creative bookkeeping to be solved.) 

There is also an ethical point. Do we have a right to keep animals and use them to eat them and give them a terrible (but short) life ? In the future there might be smarter ways to "grow"meat that does not need 7kilo's of "green food" to produce 1 kilo of "red food".  Another ethical point is that human rights are not only our rights now but also the rights of future generations. 

jacksdad, this forum is proof that (at least some) people are becoming aware of the healthrisks of how we produce our food. The way people in developed countries live is impossible to maintain as acceptable when you expect that all humans would have the right to live the same way. We would need more planets to make that possible so we have to get smarter in how we "produce" our way of living. 

Re-using materials (and not dumping it as garbage), smarter food- and energy-production can give a boost to (western) economies. The sun sends more energy to earth in a day than earth uses in a year. 

Sticking to old ideas, fossil fuels, old wealth, can destroy our future. 
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http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/chennai-rains-freak-weather-whipped-up-a-perfect-storm/article7955477.ece?ref=topnavwidget&utm_source=topnavdd&utm_medium=topnavdropdownwidget&utm_campaign=topnavdropdown

The highest daily rainfall in a century. Freak weather conditions on one day. The hottest-ever Indian Ocean. The strongest-ever El Niño. The hottest year on record.

The bad news is that a perfect storm of meteorological conditions combined to create Chennai’s worst-ever deluge last week, exacerbated in no small part by civic infrastructure pushed to its limit and systemic dysfunction. The worse news is, that could happen again, and soon; 2015’s El Niño is on course to being the strongest ever recorded.

Not to mention storm "Desmond" bringing "once in a 1000 years"amounts of rain to Ireland, UK, Norway. That region had this kind of amounts now for the second time in 10 years.


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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-13/godfather-climate-change-calls-obamas-deal-fraud-its-bull*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHi6rVPL-iU Paul Beckwith about arctic extreme warming.

Four new mysterious giant craters have appeared in the Siberian permafrost in northern Russia, sparking fears that global warming may be causing gas to erupt from underground. http://proxyponder.com/2015/02/4-new-..
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http://www.adn.com/article/20151216/greenlands-ice-loss-already-massive-and-now-its-speeding

A massive new study by 16 authors has calculated just how much ice the Greenland ice sheet has lost since the year 1900. And the number, says the paper just out in the journal Nature, is astounding: 9,103 gigatons (a gigaton is a billion metric tons).

That's more than 9 trillion tons in total. And moreover, the rate of loss has been increasing, the research finds, with a doubling of annual loss in the period 2003 to 2010 compared with what it was throughout the 20th century.

http://permafrost.gi.alaska.edu/

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/f0183-leaking-pingos-can-explode-under-the-sea-in-the-arctic-as-well-as-on-land/

http://www.adn.com/article/20151215/north-slope-permafrost-thawing-more-quickly-expected

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Global warming seems to be escalating. Fraud has become the main bases of all policies. And of course that delivers a bill WE have to pay. The amount of sea ice on the North Pole, land-ice in Greenland etc. is that low that it is not able to cool down the northern section of this planet enough. 



Somewere between 2040 and 2050 temperature global =+8 c degrees
Around 2085 oceans start to boil 115-120 c-degrees
Around 2100 Earth has become Venus-like temperature 460 celsius

Let's hope that this study is incorrect-nature might be able to get some balance. (Solar influence might be one factor, but besides methane etc that heat things up nature could also react with products to cool things down. Also geo-enginering may be needed if "we"know what we are doing.)


It’s the climate equivalent of the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico: the rupture of a natural gas storage site in California that is spewing vast amounts of methane into the atmosphere and is likely to go unchecked for three months.

The breach of the Aliso Canyon natural gas storage site, near Porter Ranch has forced the relocation of hundreds of families, who complained of headaches, nosebleeds and nausea from the rotten-egg smell of the odorant added to the gas to aid in leak detection.

The leak, which was detected on 23 October, now accounts for at least a quarter of California’s emissions of methane – a far more powerful climate-altering gas than carbon dioxide.

Already, the ruptured storage facility has released well over the equivalent of 800,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide – about the same amount that would be generated by driving 160,000 cars for a year, according to the California Air Resources Board.


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http://www.globalresearch.ca/climate-engineering-and-polar-meltdown-how-long-has-it-been-going-on/5497738

From  "Popular Science" june 1958:

Dr. Joseph Kaplan (chairman of the International Geophysical Year) stated the following in the Popular Science article:

This so-far accidental result (rapid warming of Earth) is already serious, and we must find a means to counteract it. Melting polar ice will make ocean levels rise at least 40 feet, and inundate vast areas in the next 50 or 60 years unless atmospheric temperatures are controlled.

Again, it is important to understand who Kaplan was, the chairman of the “International Geophysical Year”, an exceptionally important event that gathered scientists from around the world to discuss the state of the planet.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-24/unstoppable-california-gas-leak-now-being-called-worst-catastrophe-bp-spill using room under the earth once full of oil for gas-storage is working out wrong.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/tornado-photos-damage-southeast-mississippi-tennessee/54388401 and http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/major-storm-to-hammer-central-us-blizzard-snow-severe-weather-flooding-ice/54352350

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-25/east-coast-celebrates-christmas-warmest-weather-record

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http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2015/12/2015-warmest-year-on-record.html

The year 2015 is shaping up to be the warmest year on record. In the media, a lot of attention has been given to the many floods, droughts, wildfires and heatwaves that have battered the world this year.

Sadly, though, little attention is given to the situation in the Arctic. The image on the right shows a forecast for December 30, 2015, with temperatures at the North Pole above freezing point, as further illustrated by the nullschool.netimage below, showing a temperature forecast of 1.1°C or 34.1°F for the North Pole.
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http://robertscribbler.com/2016/01/22/a-blizzard-roars-out-of-climate-changes-heart-polar-warming-and-a-record-hot-atlantic-ocean-brew-up-nightmare-storm-for-us-east-coast/

But now we have them — an ocean surface hot enough to support a hurricane but one that will this weekend provide fuel for a blizzard. So the kind of blizzard we will have will not at all be like even the usual blizzards of the 20th Century. This is the new, worse variety that will sadly become more frequent. Destructive, heavy snowfall in the 4-5 inches per hour range, thundersnow and storm surges combined, swaths of hundreds of miles impacted and crippled. The kind for the new age of a human-heated atmosphere — destabilized to produce freak storms of a ferocity and frequency the likes of which we have never seen.
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Reports are beginning to come in of ongoing emergency evacuations of coastal homes flooded by surging waters in this region. Given the 9 foot above normal tides combined with hurricane force wind gusts and 30 foot waves slamming into beaches, sand dunes and sea walls, it’s a situation that is, sadly, likely to worsen as the day progresses.

Many of the Worst Impacts Still to Come

To this point, it’s important to note that, with Jonas still centered off the Delmarva Peninsula, this major tidal flooding that regions are now currently experiencing is just the start. The head of water should continue to build on into late Saturday as it moves up the coastline and into New York City, Long Island, Coastal Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts. Furthermore, impacts to New Jersey and Delaware should remain dangerous or worsen over the coming hours as winds pile waves and waters on top of already record high tides.

Meanwhile, Jonas will continue to generate heavy snowfall over hundreds of miles on into Saturday evening. The situation, therefore, remains quite dangerous and all residents in the affected areas should keep tuned to local emergency officials for instruction. In other words, this climate change enhanced monster winter storm isn’t done yet. Not by a long shot.

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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

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Are we headed for a new ice age?


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/06/17/are-we-headed-for-a-new-ice-age/#.VaURmOyoFIE




I have continued my thread on the coming Ice Age in the main posts. I still believe the dilution of the Gulf Stream will create something serious in the near future and have begun work on my book on it.

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Just off the coast of Svalbard the current temperature is 3.7 C (or 39 degrees F). That’s the same reading that Taipei City Taiwan, thousands of miles to the south and sitting in the ridiculously warm Southwest Pacific, saw yesterday. Running along the zero degree Longitude line to 85 North, just a few hundred miles from the North Pole, we find 1 C or 34 F temperatures. Temperatures run near or even above freezing along a vast section of ice-covered waters in the Arctic Ocean above 80 North Latitude and on toward the coast of Siberia. There at 74.5 North and 87.55 East, a freakishly warm northwest wind howling out of the Arctic Ocean is pushing temperatures to -1.4 C (29.5 F and above the point at which salty ocean water freezes). It’s colder now in the hills of North Vietnam at 20.1 North Latitude, 103.9 East Longitude with temperatures there hitting -1.5 C (29.3 F).

This is worth repeating — it’s colder in North Vietnam than it is on the shores of Arctic Siberia. Something, most definitely is not right with the weather.

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http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/15/climate-change-top-security-threat-top-economic-threat-gop-ignores.html

For some time now scientists and the military – and even some enlightened politicians – have been warning that climate change is our top national security threat.

Now it’s also being called our top economic threat.

Forced migration and climate change are the biggest risks facing the global economy this decade, according to 750 experts surveyed by the World Economic Forum. The warning was published in the WEF’s Global Risks Report in advance of the annual gathering of global leaders at Davos, Switzerland, next week.

In a bleak assessment published Thursday before next week’s meeting, the WEF said its survey found that a failure to deal with and prepare for climate change is potentially the most costly risk during the next 10 years, ahead of weapons of mass destruction, water crises, large-scale migration flows and severe energy price shocks.

That’s the first time that an environmental concern has topped the list of global risks of the WEF’s Global Risks Report and comes after what meteorologists say was the hottest year on record.

“Climate change is exacerbating more risks than ever before in terms of water crises, food shortages, constrained economic growth, weaker social cohesion and increased security risks,” said Cecilia Reyes, chief risk officer at Zurich Insurance, which helped develop the annual Global Risks Report.

The survey of nearly 750 experts and decision-makers from a variety of fields, locations and ages was conducted in the autumn of 2015 before the global warming targets were agreed upon in Paris in December.

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We are entering a period of climate-chaos with extreme weather events becoming the new normal. This phase of climate change will be the end of live on earth. We are entering the vertical part of the hocky-stick model with rapid temperature rise and sealevel rise. Nuclear break down will do the rest. Since this world is run by political idiots, the power is in the hands of a very small group 0,1% of the people, who have their wealth in fossil fuels, the chances of escaping are getting smaller by the hour. Maybe nature can correct things-but time is running out....


We are now entering a period in which atmospheres are more similar to those seen during the Middle Miocene Climate Optimum — the last time CO2 measures exceeded a threshold of roughly 405 parts per million (see here and here).

The Middle Miocene Climate Optimum of 15-17 million years ago was a radically different world. It hosted an atmosphere in which carbon dioxide levels varied wildly from 300 parts per million to 500 parts per million. Temperatures were between 3 to 5 degrees Celsius hotter than the 19th Century. And sea levels were about 120 to 190 feet higher. During this period, the world was still cooling down from the heat of the Paleocene and Eocene epochs. Carbon was being sequestered. And it was the first time the world broke significantly below a 500 part per million CO2 plateau that had been established during the Oligocene 24 to 33 million years ago.

If CO2 levels remain in this range, these are the temperatures, sea levels, and climate conditions we will transition to and ultimately experience. But time, and fossil fuel burning, is not on our side. For under business as usual fossil fuel burning rates of increase, we could hit the Oligocene threshold within as little as 25-30 years. And even if the current rate of increase were maintained, the Oligocene boundary sits about 5 decades away.


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Sealevel rise has escalated from 0,8 mm per year in 1880 to 5 mm in 2015. It will escalate much faster with ice moving from both Antarctica and Greenland into the sea. Land-ice does not have to melt to end up in the sea. Wind can erode the ice, blowing land ice into the ocean. Also layers of molten ice can move land-ice into the sea. Besides the ice both Antarctica and Greenland are rising up, due to less ice-pressure. 

The sharp increase in ice-movements does mean that we are not that far away of a sealevel-rise over 1 cm per year. Increasing storms will cause extreme waves. Katrina will be a small thing with what is to be expected. Another Fukushima is to be expected before 2020-2025 making things even worse. 

To Obama-plan to increase tax on fossil fuels to make a transfer to durable energy is a good idea but political impossible. Unless the public gets the message that fossil fuels is robbing us from our future things only will get worse.

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