hachiban08 wrote: Big Storm Brings New Worries to California http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-cities-order-evacuations-ahead-storm-22708438 The first wave of a powerful Pacific storm spread rain and snow early Friday through much of California, where communities endangered by a wildfire just weeks ago now faced the threat of mud and debris flows. Authorities in the foothill cities of Glendora and Azusa east of Los Angeles kept a wary eye on the barren slopes as rains moved through. Small debris flows covered one Glendora street but no property damage occurred, police said. Mandatory evacuation orders were issued for about 1,000 homes in the area on Thursday.

Hachiban - it is 3:21 a.m. in California and the rain has been falling, pouring for hours.  I have not seen rain like this in California since I was in elementary school.  Perhaps we needed the rain, but not this much, this fast, and there may be massive flooding as the snow pack melts too fast.

This is just a mirror of the storm systems hitting America with a lined up system of 3 more storms including Titan continue to pelt the East Coast with several feet of snow in some areas and freezing temps.

The amount of rain?  All I can say is the downpour is like some I knew in San Antonio, Texas where you could stand in the rain and be drenched in minutes.

Something is happening to our climate.

Medclinician

From drought to floods and mudslides.  It is raining in California. Last night in the Bay Area rain poured down relentlessly most of the night.  The highly unstable weather is hitting the U.S. in waves and Titan is heading across America to bring snow and grief especially to Chicago and New England. 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/us/california-mudslides/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

A polar vortex covers a large area of the Northeast and for the moment, there is no end in sight.

Medclinician

Hachiban08, I have read a lot over the last few years about human caused Global Warming and severe weather changes. The further west some one lives or the more money that they have seems to qualify them as experts on "HUMAN" caused global warming and/ or severe weather changes.  Well, I have news for all of you,the planet Earth has ALWAYS went through ice ages,weather changes, and species changes. HUMANS do not and have never had any thing to do with it.It is  not our fault and it is not your fault. Look at at the Archeological and fossil records. Do you think that humans caused all of the changes,that we can see there. All that us humans can do is to learn to adapt to these changes and make the best of it.Any HUMAN who think that he/she caused or helped to cause any changes to the planet are very arrogant and not very smart.If the area that you live in becomes unlivable for any reason,then move to an area where you can supply yourself with food,shelter, and protection. This is how the human race has always survived on a long term basis. Whether we like to admit it or not. We are at the mercy of the Earth,the Earth is not at our mercy.----A good way to determine if a place if good for survival,just go out to a natural area(not an area that has water piped to it) and plant a seed of corn or beans and see if it germinates and grows.If it does,you can probably live there,if it does not,then you can not live there. People who live on irrigated land and food are living on something that is unnatural and temporary,because no matter how long they have done this,someday,something will break their pipes,fill their irrigation ditches, and change the water supply that they are tapped into. Johnray1  

hachiban08,this was not meant particularly for you.It is meant for anyone who wants to comment or think that Humans are what is wrong with the world.Johnray1

Here on the Canadian Plains, temperatures and wind chills have been record setting. Minus 54 C with wind chill over much of the weekend. I have lived here in the Western Plains most of my life and think Friday's temperatures were as bad as I have ever experienced. Important to remember though that a combination of one or two degrees and a slight increase in wind velocity can send temperatures plummeting very quickly!

Johnray1 wrote: Hachiban08, I have read a lot over the last few years about human caused Global Warming and severe weather changes. The further west some one lives or the more money that they have seems to qualify them as experts on "HUMAN" caused global warming and/ or severe weather changes.  Well, I have news for all of you,the planet Earth has ALWAYS went through ice ages,weather changes, and species changes. HUMANS do not and have never had any thing to do with it.It is  not our fault and it is not your fault. Look at at the Archeological and fossil records. Do you think that humans caused all of the changes,that we can see there.

carbon20,the 7 Billion plus humans that live on the earth are starting to run out of resources and as the number of people continues to grow,it will get worse,but that is not planet Earths fault. When it gets to the point that these 7,8,or 9 Billion people are killing each other for clean water and food,planet Earth will still be here to provide for the ones that are still alive.John

Hi Med..Here it is March 4th and we had -8 here in upstate NY this morning! Still have about 20" of snow on the ground!

Singapore 150 yr drought ,Malaysia 200 year drought and 2 million people on water rationing

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/midwest-northeast-winter-storm-march-ahead-20140307

Despite mumbles and a spin that it will be warmer - the storm forecast is throughout March with no end in sight. The new storm has not even been named.  The convergence of two more sweeping through the north and south.

I am hearing temperature as I talk to people who are in the midst of this. In some areas as much as 200 inches of snow - other areas 300. No full sun for up to 4 months and historical lows.

Hope springs eternal  for spring - for now it is a cold savage winter.
 

Vulcan - the showcase of more ridiculous doing the Vulcan salute. What is really happening.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-winter/winter-storm-vulcan-snow-reports-20140312

New England is being hit with several feet of additional snow and despite the harbingers of Spring - another Polar Vortex is headed in on its heels producing icy record making cold temps.

All joking aside this boils down to a  simple fact - are we seeing a flurry of cold before the inevitable Spring warms up the U.S. and memories of a terrible winter are left behind?  

http://www.weather.com/video/weekly-planner-13716?

Snow until May in some areas?  We are coming up on April not May, an that means the Ground Hog who retreated would do the same if he poked his nose out today well into March.

Perhaps Spring is coming - but what about a very harsh severe climate change on the U.S. now?

Now - continuing snow for awhile and another polar vortex on the way.

Medclinician

Seawolfe wrote: I will claim Point for reporting on Hurricane's this year as that's something we watch closely here on the East Coast of Florida. Yes we are dealing with Polar Vortex now but Hurricane season is just few months away. Real preppers start now.

This is interesting.  Perhaps the Polar Vortexes will stop as the Equinox approaches on March 20 where we should begin emerging from the winter and spring should begin.

However warm it may be, the Hurricanes have been notoriously bad over the last ten years and as posted in another thread, they can be a great threat to a the constantly growing dependency on power and electricity which with just a few downed trees can cause chaos.

Nature continues to be the greatest threat despite nuclear missiles and unstable countries and not once, but many times, even before humans, it has nearly decimated the planet and life on it.

A storm is coming - isn't t always and has been that way since there were storms.

Medclinician

carbon20,you posted that Singapore is having the worse drought that it has had in 150 years. What caused the drought 150 years ago,there were no cars,no airplanes, no electric power plants run with coal,so what do you blame this drought on?You also posted that Malaysia is having it's worse drought in 200 years.There were no cars,no airplanes, and no coal fired electric production plants then either. So what do blame that drought on?----- The weather changes when it wants to and no one knows why,we just have to learn to live with it.---- You are correct about the over production of humans. We are getting close to the breaking point that there are not even resources on Earth to provide food and water for everyone.When this breaks into open warfare over resources,the strongest and most prepared will survive.----One thing that I do wonder about is why and how the Europeans have become so dependent on Russian for energy, they should have known better,the Russians have always been their enemy and the Russians are hard enough that they will turn the gas off and let the Europeans freeze to death. Johnray1 

Cause and effect. Simple as that. Anyone that thinks you can change the chemical composition of the atmosphere of a planet who's climate is principally driven by radiated heat from the sun and not see a shift in weather systems doesn't understand basic science. And it's not a case of scientists wanting to hang out with the popular guys - the consensus of opinion is based on verifiable data. Nobody's saying that we haven't seen natural variations in the climate in the past, but to use them to deny what's happening now is a poor argument worthy only of Faux News paid contributors. Don't believe in climate change? Wait a little while and you can form a subgroup on a flat-earthers forum. You'll fit right in there

http://www.weather.com/news/science/environment/greenland-glaciers-melting-faster-thought-raising-sea-level-rise-fears-20140317

March 17, 2014

Stability in the rapidly changing Arctic is a rarity. Yet for years researchers believed the glaciers in the frigid northeast section of Greenland, which connect to the interior of the country’s massive ice sheet, were resilient to the effects of climate change that have affected so much of the Arctic.

But new data published Sunday in Nature Climate Change reveals that over the past decade, the region has started rapidly losing ice due to a rise in air and ocean temperatures caused in part by climate change.

The increased melt raises grave concerns that sea level rise could accelerate even faster than projected, threatening even more coastal communities worldwide.

“North Greenland is very cold and dry, and believed to be a very stable area,” said Shfaqat Khan, a senior researcher at the Technical University of Denmark who led the new study. “It is surprisingly to see ice loss in one of the coldest regions on the planet.”

The stability of the region is particularly important because it has much deeper ties to the interior ice sheet than other glaciers on the island. If the entire ice sheet were to melt -- which would take thousands of years in most climate change scenarios -- sea levels would rise up to 23 feet, catastrophically altering coastlines around the world.

http://www.weather.com/news/weather-forecast/spring-arrives-will-it-feel-it-20140318

Another potent cold front is set to charge south and east, spreading a widespread area of chilly temperatures through all states east of the Rockies this weekend except Florida. This will be reinforced by a second surge of cold air early next week, which will succeed at invading Florida. Some locations will be 10 to 20 degrees below late-March averages.

(MORE: East Coast Winter Storm Ahead?)

This blast of cold air will be preceded by a brief taste of warmth. Saturday, portions of the East Coast and Southeast will be 5 to 15 degrees above average.

Now let's step through the daily details of the coming early-spring chill:

Saturday: 10 to 25 degrees below average from Montana, Wyoming and northeast Colorado to the northern/central Plains and upper Mississippi Valley. Highs in the teens possible near the Canadian border from eastern North Dakota to the U.P. of Michigan. 20s, 30s, 40s and low 50s for highs from north to south across the rest of the Midwest. Mild temperatures hang on for one more day in the East.

comment: another polar vortex

Med

this ain't a polar vortex

just the opposite

Monster El Nino Emerging From the Depths: Nose of Massive Kelvin Wave Breaks Surface in Eastern Pacific

http://robertscribbler.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/monster-el-nino-emerging-from-the-depths-nose-of-massive-kelvin-wave-breaks-surface-in-eastern-pacific/

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/31/new-un-report-warns-humans-more-vulnerable-than-ever-to-effects-climate-change/?intcmp=latestnews

"We're now in an era where climate change isn't some kind of future hypothetical," said the overall lead author of the report, Chris Field of the Carnegie Institution for Science in California. "We live in an area where impacts from climate change are already widespread and consequential."

Nobody is immune, Pachauri and other scientists said.

"We're all sitting ducks," Princeton University professor Michael Oppenheimer, one of the main authors of the report, said in an interview.

After several days of late-night wrangling, more than 100 governments unanimously approved the scientist-written 49-page summary -- which is aimed at world political leaders. The summary mentions the word "risk" an average of about 5 1/2 times per page.

"Changes are occurring rapidly and they are sort of building up that risk," Field said.

These risks are both big and small, according to the report. They are now and in the future. They hit farmers and big cities. Some places will have too much water, some not enough, including drinking water. Other risks mentioned in the report involve the price and availability of food, and to a lesser and more qualified extent some diseases, financial costs and even world peace.

"Things are worse than we had predicted" in 2007, when the group of scientists last issued this type of report, said report co-author Saleemul Huq, director of the International Centre for Climate Change and Development at the Independent University in Bangladesh. "We are going to see more and more impacts, faster and sooner than we had anticipated."

https://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htm

In quick summary, if enough cold, fresh water coming from the melting polar ice caps and the melting glaciers of Greenland flows into the northern Atlantic, it will shut down the Gulf Stream, which keeps Europe and northeastern North America warm. The worst-case scenario would be a full-blown return of the last ice age - in a period as short as 2 to 3 years from its onset - and the mid-case scenario would be a period like the "little ice age" of a few centuries ago that disrupted worldwide weather patterns leading to extremely harsh winters, droughts, worldwide desertification, crop failures, and wars around the world.

comment : This is serious and it is very doubtful the countries, China especially, are going to put out billions of dollars and choke their already shaky economies. Even if they did, it is unlikely it would stop a coming ice age because of the severe pollution of our atmosphere.

Medclinician

Sun Scientists Debate Whether Solar Lull Could Trigger Another 'Little Ice Age'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/solar-lull-little-ice-age-sun-scientists_n_4645248.html

http://www.weather.com/special/great-outdoors/video/a-first-in-800000-years-for-atmosphere-46863?collid=/video-minutes/great-outdoors

Events and carbon dioxide level that some say are a first in the last 800,000 years.

In March, in Hawaii C02 levels over 200 ppm and since the 1700s and especially in the last 30 years. The warm will likely melt the ice caps and glaciers and dilution of  the oceans vital currents to preventing a drop in temps, could be a major event.

The damage done is unlikely to be fixed by words and future promises. Perhaps it is warmer for those who have survived a bitter winter, but in the high atmosphere trouble continues and the threats as well.

This thread has become so huge, while informative, it is like a small book.  I have restarted a continuing thread with more events as winter in some areas is not over.

"Global wierding" - I like that