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    Posted: September 30 2014 at 4:43pm
Here's the link to the actual press conference in case you missed it. I have a feeling that it will run on all major networks for days though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hqSOMrLRE

9/19 - He left Africa
9/20 - He arrived in the U.S.
9/24 - He developed symptoms.
9/26 - He sought treatment.
9/27
9/28 - He was admitted to the hospital.

So, ask yourself this question. How many people could this man have affected since his symptoms started on 9/24 until he was admitted to the hospital on 9/28. 4 DAYS LATER!

How many people could one infect in FOUR OR FIVE DAYS? How many surfaces could have been contaminated in FOUR OR FIVE DAYS? How many others will develop symptoms that hospitals will dismiss as the common flu?
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On 9/26 (with symptoms) he went to the hospital....and was sent home for 2 days!!!
This is almost a worse case scenario...read on.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed on Tuesday that a patient being treated at a Dallas hospital has tested positive for Ebola, the first case diagnosed in the United States.

The patient left Liberia on September 19 and arrived in the United States on September 20, CDC director, Dr. Tom Frieden told reporters at a press conference Tuesday. It’s the first patient to be diagnosed with this particular strain of Ebola outside of Africa.

“[The patient] had no symptoms when departing Liberia or entering this country. But four or five days later on the 24th of September, he began to develop symptoms,” said Frieden.

The patient, who was in the U.S. visiting family in Texas, initially sought care on September 26, but was sent home and was not admitted until two days later. He was placed in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas, where he remains critically ill, according to Frieden.

“The next steps are basically threefold,” said Frieden. “First, to care for the patient … to provide the most effective care possible as safely as possible to keep to an absolute minimum the likelihood or possibility that anyone would become affected, and second, to maximize the chances that the patient might recover,” said Frieden.

Frieden said the CDC and Texas health officials were working to identify and monitor anyone who may have come in contact with the patient.

“It's only someone who's sick with Ebola who can spread the disease,” said Frieden. “Once those contacts are all identified, they're all monitored for 21 days after exposure to see if they develop a fever.”

Frieden added that while it is possible that someone who had contact with the patient could develop Ebola in the coming weeks, he has no doubt the infection will be contained. At this point, he said, there is zero risk of transmission to anyone on the flight with the patient because he was not showing any symptoms at the time of travel.

It's unclear how the patient became infected, but health officials said he “undoubtedly had close contact with someone who was sick with Ebola or who had died from it.”

The patient will stay at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital for treatment, where epidemiologist Dr. Edward Goodman, said medical staff have a plan in place for some time now in the event that a traveler brought Ebola to the United States, noting that the team had a crisis preparedness meeting just one week before the patient arrived at the facility.

Hospital officials are currently evaluating different treatment options, including experimental therapies which have been successful in other patients, according to Frieden.

Both the CDC and the Texas Department of State Health Services performed lab testing that is said to be highly accurate for detecting the Ebola virus disease.

“Our lab has a specially trained team to handle high-risk patients like this,” said Dr. David Lakey, commissioner of Texas Department of State Health Services. “We have no other suspected cases in the state of Texas at this time.”

Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health and Human Services urged residents to rest assured the agency was doing everything they could to ensure the safety of the community, and that they would be working closely with the CDC and local health officials to follow up and track possible contacts of the patient.

Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas officials said in a statement Monday that an unnamed patient was being tested for Ebola and had been placed in "strict isolation" due to the patient's symptoms and recent travel history, and that the facility was taking measures to keep its doctors, staff and patients safe.

The hospital had announced a day earlier that the patient's symptoms and recent travel indicated a case of Ebola, the virus that has killed more than 3,000 people across West Africa and infected a handful of Americans who have traveled to that region.

The CDC has said 12 other people in the U.S. have been tested for Ebola since July 27. Those tests came back negative.

Four American aid workers who have become infected while volunteering in West Africa have been treated in special isolation facilities in hospitals in Atlanta and Nebraska, and a U.S. doctor exposed to the virus in Sierra Leone is under observation in a similar facility at the National Institutes of Health.

The U.S. has only four such isolation units but the CDC has insisted that any hospital can safely care for someone with Ebola.

According to the CDC, Ebola symptoms can include fever, muscle pain, vomiting and bleeding, and can appear as long as 21 days after exposure to the virus.

Jason McDonald, spokesman for the CDC, said health officials use two primary guidelines when deciding whether to test a person for the virus.

"The first and foremost determinant is have they traveled to the region (of West Africa)," he said. The second is whether there's been proximity to family, friends or others who've been exposed, he said.

U.S. health officials have been preparing since summer in case an individual traveler arrived here unknowingly infected, telling hospitals what infection-control steps to take to prevent the virus from spreading in health facilities. People boarding planes in the outbreak zone are checked for fever, but symptoms can begin up to 21 days after exposure. Ebola isn't contagious until symptoms begin, and it takes close contact with bodily fluids to spread.

Frieden said there may be a handful of potential patient contacts who need monitoring in the United States. He compared that with the nearly 900 contacts who were monitored when an infected patient brought the Ebola virus to Lagos in July, reiterated his confidence in health officials' ability to control the disease.

“The bottom line here is that I have no doubt that we will control this importation or this case of Ebola so that it does not spread widely throughout this country,” Frieden said. “There’s no doubt in my mind, we will stop it here.”

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-first-case-ebola-in-us/
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I don't think anyone here ever fully subscribed to the theory that if it were to reach here, it would be easily contained. 

I'm not too concerned about the person infecting others.  I'm more concerned about the airport they're coming (leaving) from.  Stands to reason there will bo other cases in other countries.  Probably arriving there now, and not yet detected.  The U.S. and CDC and pretty good with this.  Shut that African aieport down, is what I would say.  Hope they didn't come from Nigeria.
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How many door handles did this man touch in the 4 days that he was contagious?

How about that handle on the gas pump?

What could he have touched in a public restroom?

How about that can of soup or gallon of milk that he picked up, but decided not to buy?

What if this guy took a bus during those 4 days?

This virus can survive on surfaces for several days, perhaps 7 to 10.

If this spreads, then we have the perfect storm as we enter flu season because hospitals will assume that we have the flu instead of Ebola.
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Even 3rd.world countries know the best way . To contain this is to close your border.
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Everyone just sit back and calmly relax. We've been preparing for this since March...or December. The man..or woman was not symptomatic while in flight. There is virtually no chance of getting Ebola if there are no symptoms. We tested this by hugging people over there who had recovered. There is a chance this person could have infected one or two or three or four of his family members -and maybe the taxi driver and his family's gardener but no one else. His family will be on watch...soon. We have this completely under control. The medical people who looked at him the first time are doing fine. They're doing so well they're still at work. Ebola has no chance of spreading in the USA because we learned a lot about how to treat and prevent it over there on Africa because we are quick responders and oh by the way, I'm nominating myself for director of the CDC.
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.....and the ambulance he went to hospital in, well you can hire that out for kiddies birthday parties on a Saturday.
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Originally posted by Hazelpad Hazelpad wrote:

.....and the ambulance he went to hospital in, well you can hire that out for kiddies birthday parties on a Saturday.
Glad to see you all still have a sense of humor!! I am trying to, but watching this trainwreck has been a bit frustrating
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Here is a question, this person was visiting family in the US.  Does this family have school aged children and have they been going to school?  While I was watching the news conference, I was waiting for a reporter to ask this question.
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I want to know about the emergency room at the hospital. He went there to seek medical attention, and was sent home, and returned 2 days later and was admitted. If the ER in the US is anything like the ones here, there can be a substantial wait for anyone without a life threatening injury or who did not arrive by ambulance. 

So what about his first visit and the other people in there at the same time. By the time he sought help he was symptomatic and therefore contagious. Will they trace all those people / nurses / relatives who have taken someone to ER / cleaners who would have been exposed on their next shift???????
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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There wasn't very much spontaneity at the press conference. Everything was fine, only handful of contacts, predictable questions, no real challenges, ...wish I had been there, I would have been thrown out.

I really hope the transmission chain can be broken, and there is no outward spread to his poor family, or to the wider public. It will be a long 21 days.

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Frieden works for the CDC, he has NO credibility.
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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

I want to know about the emergency room at the hospital. He went there to seek medical attention, and was sent home, and returned 2 days later and was admitted. If the ER in the US is anything like the ones here, there can be a substantial wait for anyone without a life threatening injury or who did not arrive by ambulance. 

So what about his first visit and the other people in there at the same time. By the time he sought help he was symptomatic and therefore contagious. Will they trace all those people / nurses / relatives who have taken someone to ER / cleaners who would have been exposed on their next shift???????


The contacts of the contacts that he contacted -and that includes everything he touched, leaned against etc, must number in the tens of thousands or more. Luckily this disease is not THAT contagious however some percentage of these huge numbers of people may well be at risk under the right circumstances. One baby, 20,000 and counting. It is impossible to identify everyone who could have picked up this persons germs. Not even remotely possible. Doesn't mean any of them will contract it but this whole notion of tracing all of ones first, second or third generation of contacts is a necessary effort but don't try to comfort me that it can all be nailed down. Good point Kiwi!
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Originally posted by onefluover onefluover wrote:

Everyone just sit back and calmly relax. We've been preparing for this since March...or December. The man..or woman was not symptomatic while in flight. There is virtually no chance of getting Ebola if there are no symptoms. We tested this by hugging people over there who had recovered. There is a chance this person could have infected one or two or three or four of his family members -and maybe the taxi driver and his family's gardener but no one else. His family will be on watch...soon. We have this completely under control. The medical people who looked at him the first time are doing fine. They're doing so well they're still at work. Ebola has no chance of spreading in the USA because we learned a lot about how to treat and prevent it over there on Africa because we are quick responders and oh by the way, I'm nominating myself for director of the CDC.


This man was infectious from 9/24 when he developed symptoms until 9/28 when he was admitted to the hospital. Do you know everyone who he was in contact with for those 4 to 5 days? Do you know everywhere he went and every single item that he touched?

The idea that we are totally safe is utterly ridiculous. Even if this guy didn't infect anyone, which we still don't know yet, the chances that someone will transport this horrific disease here or elsewhere will increase with each and every single flight out of W. Africa. If they don't stop the air travel out of there, there is absolutely no way possible to stop this from spreading. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. For anyone to think otherwise is naïve.

We have better healthcare in the U.S. and have a better shot than many countries in containing it, but we've proven unsuccessful in controlling MRSA, so I don't see how this would be any easier to contain. Have you stopped to ask yourself what happens if just one person, while in the process of changing planes in France, infects someone else who is returning to Calcutta or Beijing?

Lastly, if you really believe that there is no chance of this spreading over here, then you'll fit right in with the rest of those idiots at the CDC who have no trouble with all those flights out of W. Africa.
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Originally posted by Elver Elver wrote:

Originally posted by onefluover onefluover wrote:

Everyone just sit back and calmly relax. We've been preparing for this since March...or December. The man..or woman was not symptomatic while in flight. There is virtually no chance of getting Ebola if there are no symptoms. We tested this by hugging people over there who had recovered. There is a chance this person could have infected one or two or three or four of his family members -and maybe the taxi driver and his family's gardener but no one else. His family will be on watch...soon. We have this completely under control. The medical people who looked at him the first time are doing fine. They're doing so well they're still at work. Ebola has no chance of spreading in the USA because we learned a lot about how to treat and prevent it over there on Africa because we are quick responders and oh by the way, I'm nominating myself for director of the CDC.


This man was infectious from 9/24 when he developed symptoms until 9/28 when he was admitted to the hospital. Do you know everyone who he was in contact with for those 4 to 5 days? Do you know everywhere he went and every single item that he touched?

The idea that we are totally safe is utterly ridiculous. Even if this guy didn't infect anyone, which we still don't know yet, the chances that someone will transport this horrific disease here or elsewhere will increase with each and every single flight out of W. Africa. If they don't stop the air travel out of there, there is absolutely no way possible to stop this from spreading. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. For anyone to think otherwise is naïve.

We have better healthcare in the U.S. and have a better shot than many countries in containing it, but we've proven unsuccessful in controlling MRSA, so I don't see how this would be any easier to contain. Have you stopped to ask yourself what happens if just one person, while in the process of changing planes in France, infects someone else who is returning to Calcutta or Beijing?

Lastly, if you really believe that there is no chance of this spreading over here, then you'll fit right in with the rest of those idiots at the CDC who have no trouble with all those flights out of W. Africa.


Uh... I was mocking some of the lame reassuring comments out of today's big story. Maybe I wasn't lame enough myself.
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Originally posted by onefluover onefluover wrote:

There is virtually no chance of getting Ebola if there are no symptoms.

I'm not convinced that is true.  All viral infections follow the same curve:

a) initial infection - just a few virions (virus particles) enter the host

b) colonization - the virions take hold, and work to overcome the host's immune defenses

c) inapparent (subclinical) infection - the virus, now established in the host, begins multiplying.  

d) clinicial infection - with Ebola, we know the signs & symptoms - fever, profuse sweating, vomiting, diarrhea, and eventually (in some cases) bleeding out and then death. 

Virus diseases are most virulent during the subclinical phase.  That is how these things spread so quickly.....for example, people are full of active flu virus, but they don't feel symptomatic yet, so they go to work, school, travel etc. and shed virus all over the place. 

I see no reason whatsoever to think that a patient has to be fully symptomatic to be a risk for Ebola transmission, that is claptrap spread by politicians.  It defies what we know about all virus diseases.  The natural history for this virus is barely known, so somebody is making that up.
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I know Chuck. I've learned a lot from you and others here. I was trying to be, what do you call that, satirical? Giving myself as self-nominating for the directors position as a way of showing just how comforting and convincing the statements and mindset out of the CDC -especially today, are. To me anyways. But I was flooded with distractions and didn't pitch that one very well. Oh well. Maybe I'll get another chance as I certainly don't believe we are safe or that there will be no more cases springing up here despite their assurances to the contrary. Peace.
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From Elver: "Here's the link to the actual press conference in case you missed it. I have a feeling that it will run on all major networks for days though."

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I thought there had to be more to contagion prior to massive symptoms, so thanks for this information.

What does your gut instinct tell you with regards to this spreading to become a world wide pandemic?
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Chuck is, as usual, absolutely right.  Symptoms and infectiousness do not necessarily arrive at the same time.  Folks at the CDC must know that, it is VERY basic epidemiology. 

But the data you base your processess on is not necessarily the same as the information you spout to the press.  I think, and fervently hope, that they are saying "Everything's fine, just relax." whilst frantically running around tracing every possible contact, from before symptoms show, as well as after.  That would be the intelligent thing to do.

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The disinformation machine is in high gear. Here locally, our news channel had an "expert" on last night that basically repeated the CDC line but went on to stress that" this is not a virus that can live long dried on surfaces. I about lost my cookies at that one. She went on to say that it can be spread by sweat but only in the final stages so it wasn't like you could catch it from things this patient touched. It just seemed like she had been told to really play down the risk.
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the cdc message was a masquerade... not because of the information shared, whoch was fair and transparent, but because of the ideea "we know everything, we are professionals, we will surely keep this under control". what is been missing in the whole context are the written questions like the cans, handles and so on for the last 4 days.

what is new in the whole system, up untill now the were talking about 
1. remote areas in the jungls
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3. first world environment where people being contagious are travelling many miles for dily business... this means that the contacts (that have absolutely no dirct link to this index case) may pop up 30/50 miles away only because they sat in the same chair, entered th same room (handle) or buyed at the same store.

lets hope for the best.. on the next 20 days the new transmision patter will be established (in the scenario that secondary cases will pop up)

i really wish you well for many month to come, to those living in the usa...


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There are probably a couple more cases out there not yet detected in other countries.  I would be surprised if we don't see another case pop up in Canada or parts of Europe over the next day or two.  Not necessarily because they're hotspots, but because of good surveillance.  

There is very little doubt that the Dallas case didn't infect others.   We could be facing an outbreak over the next two weeks.  I suppose we're about to find out exactly how easily it will be contained.
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I saw a great timeline this morning.  He was sick aka showing signs for 4 days before actual hospital admission.  He visited the hospital after 2 days of symptoms but they sent him home.  So he had a visit to the hospital, whoever drove him there, perhaps a trip the the drugstore, then all the family he is staying with taking care of him.  then another two days before admission.  He definitely infected someone else!  This is so concerning…..I am making a trip to costco today for some water and peanut butter and such.  Thank goodness for this website.  to all those people on here that have inside connections, please, please keep a strong watch so I can be the first to know when its bad enough to take measures…..thank you!
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Originally posted by atheris atheris wrote:

the cdc message was a masquerade... not because of the information shared, whoch was fair and transparent, but because of the ideea "we know everything, we are professionals, we will surely keep this under control".

I completely agree with you Atheris. They were over the top in trying to assure the public. I was waiting to hear Gov Rick Perry prod, "Move a long little townspeople, there's no story here." Seriously, today's press conference with the Governor and the School Super, others - it was ridiculous - some of them looked sweaty and scared while they're trying to be super reassuring. The harder they tried the worse it got.

I work in marketing and am extremely very familiar with an emergency Public Relations message management process. Though you have a carefully orchestrated message and timeline of staged releases - it should feel honest and genuine, it must feel that way or it breeds distrust/fear. I think they accomplished the latter.

We can be assured that during the early stages of messaging the talking points are coached (likely written awhile ago anticipating the actual situation - just fill in the details and you're ready to go), they have a 'do not" outline (what NOT to say and NOT to do is carefully mapped out), specific questions are mapped and canned responses outlined, the FAQs are memorized & likely practiced/coached, message timelines are detailed and orchestrated (ie: there was a reason they had an end of day announcement, they weren't waiting on lab results they were mapping their plan/getting ahead of the story), anyone that may possibly be in front of a camera is trained on the coms plan - if they don't follow it, they are pulled to stage left. With complex news that is this bad, we're likely in a staged information release that is still not yet complete. They will break the news into smaller chunks while they buy time and try to gain control on the situation - they need some good news to soften the coming bad.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Elver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2014 at 10:46pm
I'm certainly not buying the CDC's load of crap.
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