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jacksdad
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Posted: September 06 2016 at 11:56am |
There's nothing I know of in deodorant that should become toxic. And
medications don't usually become dangerous after their expiration date, just less effective.
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wtaumme
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What is the logic in using a deodorant or perfume after expiry of any coffee creamer powder. Most of the things that has expired can be dangerous, and when it comes to food ingredients and medicines it could be deadly.
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onefluover
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Depends where you use it.
I would not use it on your feet. |
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anusha
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Can i use a deodrent after its expiry date?
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Penham
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Good info to know! Especially about the mold, since I am allergic to mold.
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starspirit
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I truly hope this country gives Obama a chance,too.. the world is watching us to see if we can truly live up to what principals this country was built on.....we talk a big game its now time to put it to test...I had been saying for a couple of days prior to the election its going to be over by 10pm and sure enough it was I too,barely caught it was up get a glass of water....crazy...broke out the champagne right after that....
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jacksdad
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I don't want to gloat about the results of the election, even though I'm very happy about it. A lot of our fellow preppers are probably not feeling so good right now, and I don't think rubbing it in solves any problems. I just hope people give Obama a chance before writing him off. I don't think many people could honestly look at the state of the country and the world and say the last 8 years have given us a direction we really want to continue moving in. Financially, I'm hurting as bad as anyone and I definitely want a new direction. Socialist, muslim - whatever mud you want to try and throw at him, he's still been elected by the people of this country using the same electoral system that got W in the White House, but in a much more impressive way than most had predicted. I left work with him at 206 chasing 270, and by the time I plonked myself down in the chair to watch TV 20 minutes later, it was being called.
I feel bad for McCain. A long list of things did him in that were for the most part out of his control - the economy and the spectre of Bush principally. I still respect him and hope this doesn't temper his maverick spirit, which I've always liked about him. The man is a true fighter and a patriot.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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starspirit
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jacksdad....I figured it might have something to do with the election...after my little run in I've been low key my self just hit and miss with posting....not much new in BF ..but a real need to keep prepping just the same.....
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jacksdad
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Thank you starspirit - I've been around but lurking for a while until all the pre election fervor dies down. There hasn't been much new BF stuff out there to comment on, and I don't want to get involved in arguments about the relative merits of the Presidential candidates as it's been getting a little contentious of late. I see it as a somewhat pointless exercise in banner waving as it's unlikely that anything we say here will affect the outcome of the election. I do however think that to get involved in heated debates about politics on a site that is an extrememly useful pandemic planning site has the potential to detract from it's usefulness to some degree. While free speech is absolutely a right we should all fight to protect, some of the things that sometimes get posted have the potential to muddy the water somewhat and could conceivably drive a wedge between fellow preppers who may be closer in spirit than their political differences might suggest. Hence, I'm keeping my big mouth shut on this one (for once), although I've never made much of a secret about my political leanings in the past. Let's face it - if you're here you're already looking at a much bigger (and extremely scary) picture than 99% of the population anyway. A high CFR pandemic will make the stock markets recent problems look downright trivial. Prep on regardless of who the new President turns out to be as though your life depended on it, because it just might.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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coyote
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Topic: Are My Canned Foods Still Safe?
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 9:39am Are My Canned Foods Still Safe? Listen to the article Commercially canned foods should be stored in a cool, dry place for best retention of nutrients and quality. Avoid storing next to kitchen ranges, furnaces, radiators, and steam pipes. Also protect against freezing temperatures. What if they freeze? Is the food safe? Yes, usually. Food expands during freezing. Check the seams of the can after thawing for signs of leakage. Also check the ends to make sure they are flat again. Some breakdown in texture can occur during freezing. The food may be more mushy. If the food is to be mixed with several other foods and cooked, the texture will probably not be an issue. Recommended storage for canned foods is usually a year. If canned properly, the food is safe indefinitely. However, nutritional value and quality may be reduced. Poor storage conditions can also reduce the quality. Once a can is opened, the food becomes perishable. Refrigerate or freeze immediately any unused food. It is best to store food in glass or plastic containers. Acid foods especially can pick up the metal taste from a can easily. Home canned foods should be stored in cool dry places as well. Rules for storage are the same as for commercially canned food. BE SURE the foods were canned under currently approved canning methods. If in doubt, throw it out. Do not taste the food at all. Check with your county extension office for current food preservation guides. Karen Elliot, ElliottK@missouri.edu Regional Specialist, Nutrition and Health Education Jackson County, Missouri University of Missouri Extension -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long time lurker since day one to Member. Quote Colonel Quote Reply Posted: 29 November 2007 at 8:23pm Take a look at the following article that was published by the FDA: http://www.confederatecolonel.com/articles/cannedfood/cannedfood.shtml The basic idea of this article is that properly canned foods last a LOT longer than is generally believed. Here's a snip from the article: Among the canned food items retrieved from the Bertrand in 1968 were brandied peaches, oysters, plum tomatoes, honey, and mixed vegetables. In 1974, chemists at the National Food Processors Association (NFPA) analyzed the products for bacterial contamination and nutrient value. Although the food had lost its fresh smell and appearance, the NFPA chemists detected no microbial growth and determined that the foods were as safe to eat as they had been when canned more than 100 years earlier. Don't trash your older canned foods! Colonel |
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Long time lurker since day one to Member.
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Albert
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You're welcome starspirit.
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Albert
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Hi Tadeo, we fixed the over-aggressive word filter, lol.
Also -- From what I understand, you can generally keep canned food for 1 year past the expiration date.
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starspirit
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wow Albert thanks so much... the list was great too..hey jacksdad glad to see you again....
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Tadeo
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My kid wanted a can of fruit cocktail and so I gave it to him. It tasted okay but it looked somewhat aged. It expired in 2005.
Albert, what about canned food? In your readings did you come across any of that info?
Add to edit: Why did cocktail come up like that? Oh, I got it know, never mind.
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Albert
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More Expiration Dates. Interesting to note that unopened Mayo has an indefinite Shelf life
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Beer Unopened: 4 months. Brown sugar Indefinite shelf life, stored in a moisture proof container in a cool, dry place. Chocolate (Hershey bar) 1 year from production date Coffee, canned ground Unopened: 2 years Opened: 1 month refrigerated Coffee, gourmet Beans: 3 weeks in paper bag, longer in vacuum-seal bag (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Ground: 1 week in sealed container Coffee, instant Unopened: Up to 2 years Opened: Up to 1 month Diet soda (and soft drinks in plastic bottles) Unopened: 3 months from "best by" date. Opened: Doesn't spoil, but taste is affected. Dried pasta 12 months Frozen dinners Unopened: 12 to 18 months Frozen vegetables Unopened: 18 to 24 months Opened: 1 month Honey Indefinite shelf life Juice, bottled (apple or cranberry) Unopened: 8 months from production date Opened: 7 to 10 days Ketchup Unopened: 1 year (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Opened or used: 4 to 6 months (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Maple syrup, real or imitation 1 year Maraschino cherries Unopened: 3 to 4 years Opened: 2 weeks at room temperature; 6 months refrigerated Marshmallows Unopened: 40 weeks Opened: 3 months Mayonnaise Unopened: Indefinitely Opened: 2 to 3 months from “purchase by” date (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Mustard 2 years (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Olives, jarred (green with pimento) Unopened: 3 years Opened: 3 months Olive oil 2 years from manufacture date (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Peanuts Unopened: 1 to 2 years unless frozen or refrigerated Opened: 1 to 2 weeks in airtight container Peanut butter, natural 9 months Peanut butter, processed (Jif) Unopened: 2 years Opened: 6 months; refrigerate after 3 months Pickles Unopened: 18 months Opened: No conclusive data. Discard if slippery or excessively soft. Protein bars (Power Bars) Unopened: 10 to 12 months. Check "best by" date on the package. Rice, white 2 years from date on box or date of purchase Salad dressing, bottled Unopened: 12 months after "best by" date Opened: 9 months refrigerated Soda, regular Unopened: In cans or glass bottles, 9 months from "best by" date Opened: Doesn't spoil, but taste is affected Steak sauce 33 months (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Tabasco 5 years, stored in a cool, dry place Tea bags (Lipton) Use within 2 years of opening the package Tuna, canned Unopened: 1 year from purchase date Opened: 3 to 4 days, not stored in can Soy sauce, bottled Unopened: 2 years Opened: 3 months (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Vinegar 42 months Wine (red, white) Unopened: 3 years from vintage date; 20 to 100 years for fine wines Opened: 1 week refrigerated and corked Worcestershire sauce Unopened: 5 to 10 years (After this time, color or flavor may be affected, but product is still generally safe to consume.) Opened: 2 years Household Products Air freshener, aerosol 2 years Antifreeze, premixed 1 to 5 years Antifreeze, concentrate Indefinite Batteries, alkaline 7 years Batteries, lithium 10 years Bleach 3 to 6 months Dish detergent, liquid or powdered 1 year Fire extinguisher, rechargeable Service or replace every 6 years Fire extinguisher, non-rechargeable 12 years Laundry detergent, liquid or powdered Unopened: 9 months to 1 year Opened: 6 months Metal polish (silver, copper, brass) At least 3 years Miracle Gro, liquid Opened: 3 to 8 years Miracle Gro, liquid, water-soluble Indefinite Motor oil Unopened: 2 to 5 years Opened: 3 months Mr. Clean 2 years Paint Unopened: Up to 10 years Opened: 2 to 5 years Spray paint 2 to 3 years Windex 2 years Wood polish (Pledge) 2 years Beauty Products All dates are from the manufacture date, which is either displayed on the packaging or can be obtained by calling the manufacturer's customer-service number. Bar soap 18 months to 3 years Bath gel, body wash 3 years Bath oil 1 year Body bleaches and depilatories Unopened: 2 years Used: 6 months Body lotion 3 years Conditioner 2 to 3 years Deodorant Unopened: 2 years Used: 1 to 2 years For antiperspirants, see expiration date Eye cream Unopened: 3 years Used: 1 year Face lotion With SPF, see expiration date. All others, at least 3 years Foundation, oil-based 2 years Foundation, water-based 3 years Hair gel 2 to 3 years Hair spray 2 to 3 years Lip balm Unopened: 5 years Used: 1 to 5 years Lipstick 2 years Mascara Unopened: 2 years Used: 3 to 4 months Mouthwash Three years from manufacture date Nail polish 1 year Nail-polish remover Lasts indefinitely Perfume 1 to 2 years Rubbing alcohol At least 3 years Shampoo 2 to 3 years Shaving cream 2 years or more Tooth-whitening strips 13 months Wash'n Dri moist wipes Unopened: 2 years Opened: Good until dried out Beauty Supplies Expiration Dates Anti-aging and acne treatment |
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Albert
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No problem Jacksdad. I hope the information is useful. We used to have a lot of people on a here a few years ago when everyone was stockpiling. Let's hope that too many people aren't keeling over from eating their old mixes from back then.
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jacksdad
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Damn - thanks for that one, A. Who'd have thought?
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
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Albert
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Here's another old story ....
WARNING ABOUT Pancake Mix (and other boxed mixes) Maybe you already know this, I DID NOT!!
Throw away ALL OUTDATED pancake mix you have in your home, PLEASE! If you don't believe me, read this article and then follow the 'Link' below to SNOPES. Sorry to be the Grim Reaper of bad news, but I would rather have you ALIVE, besides a $2.00 box of pancake mix is NOT worth your life. P. S. You might want to tell this to your children, grandchildren, nephews, nieces and anyone else who keeps pancake mix in the cupboard. From Snopes: Dear Abby: I recently made a batch of pancakes for my healthy 14-year-old son, using a mix that was in our pantry. He said that they tasted 'funny,' but ate them anyway. About 10 minutes later, he began having difficulty breathing and his lips began turning purple. I gave him his allergy pill, had him sit on the sofa and told him to relax. He was wheezing while inhaling and exhaling. My husband, a volunt eer Firefighter and EMT, heated up some water, and we had my son lean over the water so the steam could clear his chest and sinuses. Soo n, his breathing became more regular and his lips returned to a more normal color. We checked the date on the box of pancake mix and, to my dismay, found it was very outdated. As a reference librarian at an academic institution, I have the ability to search through many research databases. I did just that, and found an article the next day that mentioned a 19-year-old male DYING after eating pancakes made with outdated mix. Apparently, the mold that forms in old pancake mix can be toxic! When we told our friends about my son's close call, we were surprise! d at the number of people who mentioned that they should check their own pancake mix since they don't use i t often, or they had purchased it some time a go. With so many people shopping at warehouse-type stores and buying large sizes of pancake mix, I hope your readers will take the time to check the expiration date on their boxes. Also, beware of outdated Bisquick, cake, brownie and cookie mixes. |
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Albert
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A warning about outdated pancake mix
By JEAN ENERSEN / KING 5 News
If you're highly allergic, especially to mold, there's one hazard you might not have even considered: outdated pancake mix. DMN Before making pancakes with a mix, it's a good idea to check the expiration date. Doctors say many people leave pancake mix in their cupboards way too long, and that's dangerous. If the mix sits too long in a cupboard without being properly sealed, the mix begins growing mold. If a person has a specific allergy to certain molds, then it could make them really sick, or kill them by anaphylaxis. "If a person an individual has specific allergy to certain molds then this could make them real sick it could be lethal in some cases," said Dr. Paul Pepe, emergency room physician. "Swelling that occurs in the lungs in the throat in the face in the skin people will have swollen lips enlarged tongue and they start having some dramatic breathing problems. "A lot of the molds that might develop in a pancake mix for example are like bread molds or wheat molds that may occur it's more likely to happen in an environment to humidity or dampness." So, what can you do to make sure mold doesn't grow on your pancake mix? Loretta Carlo loads her pancake mix in a sealed jar and always checks the expiration date after a bad experience. "All of a sudden I did get a pancake mix where I had bought it and when I opened it up it didn't look right and then when I looked at the expiration date it was an expired one so I took it back to the store and they said, "yeah get a different one.’" Five years ago a South Carolina man died after eating pancakes from a mix that was two years old. But he also was highly allergic to mold. People who aren't allergic are not at risk. Still, it's never a good idea to keep food long past its expiration date. |
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jacksdad
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Kind of off topic (wow - expired pancake mix is really that bad?), it is important to make sure you know how to store preps, especially if you're storing in a low oxygen environment. Botulism spores, for example, can only germinate and grow in the absence of air. Home canned food should be heated properly to kill microorganisms - with altitude taken into consideration as it affects the boiling point of water - while mold can spoil dried preps, even if it's sealed and flushed with nitrogen or with oxygen absorbers added, if the moisture content is too high. It would be a tragedy to have food stored only to open it when you really need it and realize it's gone bad, or worse still, get very sick when medical services are overwhelmed by a pandemic.
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Albert
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Mine were also kept dry, cool, and of course were never opened. I would say to use them now if you're going to use them at all. I'm sure it's still fine. My "coffeemate"was around 10-12 months past the expiration date, going back to when I first bought it back in November, 2005. What can I say .... I wanted to know.
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homescoolmama
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I have some coffeemate - keep it in cool dark dry space, never been opened...expiry couple of months...should I toss, have 2 huge ones
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Albert
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I just want to give some people around here a heads-up with regard to consuming expired preps. We've all heard that expired pancake mix becomes toxic after it expires. Another one to possibly add to the list is expired "dry" coffee creamer. I purchased some back in 2005 during the prepping craze, and I recently decided to try using it. Well, about 30 days ago, I tried it, it tasted and look good, but, it damn near killed me. I was pretty much laid up for a week, and I'm not all that easy to bring down, lol. From a high temperature, to my intestines aching, it was not fun.
Anyway, if anyone is storing any old dry coffee creamer from the old days, I would get rid of it.
Best,
Albert
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