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Turboguy
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 9:56am |
After reading this informative release the Dept. of Homeland Security just gave out, I'm now a Right wing terrorist!
If you stockpile food or ammo, you are a terrorist. So how many of you are now terrorists?
To find out, give this a read. It's quite literally a page out of Hitler's playbook. Step 1: Demonize and propagandize your opponents!
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purplepanther
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I'm right wing also ,so I guess I'm a terrorist. I'm proud in what I believe in enough said |
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coyote
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Secret Homeland Security Threat Assessment Labels Gun Owners Potential Terrorists www.prisonplanet.com A Department of Homeland Security intelligence assessment equates gun owners with violent terrorists and states that radical extremists are “stockpiling†weapons in fear of an Obama administration gun ban. This newly uncovered document is just the latest in a long sordid line of training manuals in which the federal government characterizes millions of American citizens as potentially violent terrorists who are a threat to law enforcement. The document is entitled Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment (PDF link) and was released just a few days ago. The paper is labeled Law Enforcement Sensitive and states, “No portion of the LES information should be released to the media, the general public, or over non-secure Internet servers. Release of this information could adversely affect or jeopardize investigative activities.†However, probably as a result of a concerned whistleblower, the secret document has been leaked to the Internet. (visit the link for the full news article) |
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Hey Turbo. I am a VNVet and a patriot, but I have gone through the executive orders passed by JFK and then Clinton. Over many months I have agonized on posting here to the world of preppers concerning food stockpiling and in another post - I tried to make this point. There is what they can do- and there is what is doable. There are specific laws making food hoarding illegal. There are executive orders food can be confiscated and redistributed, their are a lot of scary stuff which was set up during the Bush Administration - where the executive power for a war or a national disaster has been bent to label people and then - well you have already posted what you have posted. My point is that I have seen the face of disease and it will be near to impossible to create a vaccine for what I talked about as a dual virus Pandemic. You need (if you wish) to look at Katrina. I spend chapters with psychologists and planners going over what is likely to happen. People did not show up for work, law enforcement backed off a lot, and we spent days arguing who would pay for it. That was Katrina. We are looking at a 1,000 Katrinas. Let's go back to 1918 and people arrested for prepping during the epidemic. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=940CEEDD1238EE32A25753C3A9639C946996D6CF Sorry people, I have been holding off on posting this part of my data- but this is where things are going to get rough ... The following is an excerpt from Y2Knewswire Alert 12-19-98: ------------------------------------- AnswersLessee... NG goes to house to take occupants to shelter, occupants decline, NG insists, occupants decline more emphatically, NG has a schedule to keep, they go to next house. This is the way it invariably goes in situations like this. Even when "mandatory evacuations" are ordered for threats from hurricanes, there are some who stay... they're simply told that they won't receive any further assistance if they get into trouble. Of course, if concentration ca... ooops, mass feeding centers are set up, and they start yanking people out of their homes by force, it must be resisted by any means available. |
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sjf53
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American Legion responds to DHSBy Michelle Malkin • April 14, 2009 01:04 PM
Read it. Click Here to read the response. Also note that the unnamed “prominent civil rights organization” that the DHS hit job cites to stoke anti-military paranoia is the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center — which designated the American Legion a “hate group” for its pro-enforcement stance on immigration law. In the eyes of Obama’s DHS, we are all “haters” now. Posted in: Homeland Security |
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LOL, then every Mormon that follows the tenets of their faith are now terrorists!! Mormons are instructed to keep at least 1 year of food for their whole family and if they can 2 years.
It is interesting all Mormon's are Terrorists! |
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Turboguy
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Med, you think Bush set that crap up??? John F Kennedy set most of that up with Executive orders that have to be renewed. Clinton happily signed it too.
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I know. Thjs stuff is too volatile to comment on. We all know what is going to happen if they start coming down too hard on 4 million people in Silicon Valley - I saw it at Berkley. I was there. Check out the videos of that day on the steps. I wasn't in the demonstration- I had come to Telegraph Ave to buy a book - and thought we would check out the steps and there were all these people and suddenly clubs were swinging, people were getting hurt bad, and the public panicked. We ran. One thought. There were no badges saying who the protesters were and who the innocent bystanders were. People were getting beat up on the ground. Smashed in the face with clubs. I saw this. The riot people were afraid. The reeked of fear. If it truly went off, and the number were large, a lot of people, they would have to start shooting people. I never want to see it again. Basically the people began throwing bricks and attacking the police. Then they over reacted scared for their lives and it was real bad. I don't think they can enforce a quarantine or the use of force on large crowds of people. In a Pandemic everyone should SIP- or hunker down including .gov. You can feel the ripple of fear and anger as people even talk about it here. How much more it would be if they were in the situation. Creepy. Going to bed. Look at history and learn by it. Medclinician |
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sjf53
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I got this off the Powerline.com Blog.........This blog does an excellent job of dissecting the assumptions of the DHS unidentified authors. Watch Out For Those Crazy Right Wingers!The Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division of the Department of Homeland Security has released a report titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." You can read it here. Of course, there are crazies of all stripes, and it's possible that a small group of "right wingers" could pose a terrorist threat. In principle, there is nothing wrong with assessing such threats from whatever direction they may come. Still, this report is an odd document. It is almost entirely unmoored to any empirical reality and appears to be heavily influenced by the political views of its (unidentified) authors. This is the central theme of the report:
The whole point of the report is that "right wing" extremism is undergoing a "resurgence" as leaders of extremist groups take advantage of the down economy and the Obama administration to recruit new members. Weirdly, however, the report makes no effort to document any such increased recruitment or extremist activity of any sort. As far as one can tell from the report, "right wing" militias and similar groups may be dying out rather than growing.
I suppose that's possible. But why right wing extremists? Why not left wing? I would think that economic turmoil would be at least as likely to energize far-left groups. But whoever wrote the report made the automatic assumption--again, with no empirical data--that right-wing groups would benefit. Another of the report's themes is that conditions today resemble those in the 1990s, when militia activity was a concern:
In 1995, the economy was booming. Nor is there any obvious similarity between the "political climate" now and in the 1990s, except that we have a Democratic administration in power. I suspect that's what the authors are really worried about, although they never quite come out and say so. The Homeland Security report lists the possibility of restrictions on firearms as a driving force behind extremist recruitment:
On its face, this is pure speculation. It's true that firearms sales have increased, but what evidence is there that those buying guns are "planning and training for violence against the government"? None that the report discloses. The authors describe "rightwing extremist chatter" on the internet:
That's pretty sinister, all right: focusing on jobs and the economy. As far as anti-Semitism is concerned, you'll find much more of that on left-wing sites (including many that are considered mainstream) than on right-wing sites. That, though, must be the subject of another report. Whoever wrote the report seems deeply hostile to conservatives' opposition to the agenda of the Obama administration. For example:
Millions of Americans--not just "rightwing extremists"--are concerned about the administration's positions on immigration and many other issues. Note that wherever possible, the authors slip race into the discussion, as with the reference to "expansion of social programs to minorities." I'm not aware of a single social program that the Obama administration has proposed to "expand to minorities." But the authors' assumption is, apparently, that anyone who opposes the expansion of social programs must be a racist. Once again we see the assertion that right wing extremists are "galvanized" and are "leveraging" these issues as "drivers for recruitment." But is recruitment up, down, or stable? The report doesn't say, and its authors evidently don't know. The report returns to its theme of the similarity between conditions today and in the 1990s:
What do abortion and gay marriage have to do with white supremacy? Nothing. Many millions of Americans oppose abortion and a majority oppose gay marriage, yet these commonplace views are somehow associated in the minds of the report's authors with "white supremacists." This tells us more, I think, about the people who wrote the report than it does about abortion and gay marriage opponents. It's not hard to see where the authors stand on immigration, either:
That, once again, is a view shared by many millions of Americans.
Is it just my imagination, or does the acknowledgement that debate over immigration policy is protected speech seem a bit grudging? The authors cite a single example in support of that last assertion:
I've not been able to find any reference to the alleged plot against Hispanics in any news account of this arrest. The link to immigration comes from "open source reporting;" does that mean that the report is relying on left-wing blogs? If not, what does it mean? One of the report's most offensive features is its casual defamation of servicemen and veterans:
The "prominent civil rights organization" is the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center. But what support is there for SPLC's assertion that there are "large numbers" of "white supremacists" serving in the armed forces--as opposed to, say, a "tiny handful"? The SPLC's full report is entirely anecdotal; the closest thing to data is this:
But even this alleged statistic appears to be false. Barfield was a gang investigator, and what he actually said was: "I have identified 320 soldiers as gang members from April 2002 to present." So we now have the Department of Homeland Security defaming our servicemen on the basis of a press release by a left-wing pressure group that misrepresented the principal empirical support for its claim. Nice. The Homeland Security report further supports its suspicion of returning veterans by referring to an FBI report released last year:
So, how many are "some"? You can read the FBI report, titled "White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11," here. Notwithstanding the deliberate vagueness of the Homeland Security document, the FBI was actually very specific:
There you have it: a whopping 19 actual or alleged veterans of Iraq or Afghanistan have joined the "extremist movement." (The FBI notes that some of these "may have inflated their resumes with fictional military experience to impress others within the movement.") It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this Homeland Security report is politically motivated, and reflects the authors' political prejudices more than an objective evaluation of a significant terrorist threat. In that context, the report's conclusion seems a bit ominous:
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We seem to be obsessed with the word extremism. Scared people in a
Pandemic have nothing to do with terrorists at all. They are sick
scared people in a disaster.
No one is going to care about an in depth analysis when they have a raging fever, are scared that .gov is going to shove them in with a bunch of other sick people, then they are sure to get sick. This whole decade since 9/11 has been rampant paranoia and scaring people to get more power. People are waking up to this. They are becoming more concerned about .gov than the terrorists. Should these EOs kick in, we are back to square one on the constitution. It is one thing to strip suspected terrorists in Iraq and yank them out of their homes and throw them naked into a Cuban horror house, and it is another to start grab Americans, taking their guns, food, and stripping them of their basic rights in the name of expediency to handle an outbreak. This is not clear thinking. It is not rational thinking. And the politics are too abstract when no one is recruiting - we will not care who is what during a Pandemic. Only those who are a threat to us. We cannot afford to lose the lives of our military and officers who we need to protect our leaders and infrastructure. You don't help disease victims by putting sick with not sick people and you scare the crap out of them when you forcefully take away their freedom, their homes, and their basic rights. Enough for one night. Medclinician |
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Its in the Government power to make you into anybody they want, You could be an enemy of the state based just on you religious, social, cultural background.
Japanese American were enemy of the state during WWII . Emotionally disturb people were enemy of the state in Nazi Germany You could be enemy of the state by reading a book - USSR. |
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You realize Endman, those of us that are at all vocal, walk a fine line. During the middle ages scientists were forced to recant obvious discoveries because they did not integrate with what was use to control the people. We are well beyond 1984 in terms of monitoring people. It is of course wiser not to get into the path of the rolling ball. In Nazi Germany, you could be hauled away for even owning the book. What you can and cannot say changes by the year and by who is in power. The fate of the few whistle blowers in industry or America has been gruesome. Anyone truly exposing corruption in an industry can never work in that industry again. Some get paid, some do not. In San Antonio Texas, I once had a friend who was robbed while calling his girlfriend in a phone booth. The robber was local whatever, and my friend had used his last quarter. The guy was high on something (the robber) and was so mad, it shot my friend to death. Two months ago our CTO was dining with a friend who was an off duty law officer. While he was in the restroom, and I think he was with him at the time, some crack seller who had gotten put away came in, identified this guy, and shot him to death. Point: like S.K. hiding behind the curtain when I saw him in San Francisco and this guy in fatigues stood up with an assault rifle, pointed it at Stephen and screamed - "you killed John Lennon." Wonder why more writers don't go public? Many writers through history, Dante, St. John (Revelations), etc chose to talk in doublespeak to write about what was going on and not be hunted down. \\ Assuredly, they will demonize you and criminalize you, before you get killed. The more powerful the message, the more likely people will wake up and smell the coffee, the greater the risk. Personally, I can see no harm in writing about how to survive a Pandemic. And practically one does not have worry about politics, when viruses take little interest. Medclinician |
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I am conservative and I am prepared for emergencies of all sorts so that I won't be depending on a government that has already stated that they won't be coming to help.
But I am not a terrorist. The DHS is just wrong and this is just another example of government ineptitude. |
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Turboguy
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Sorry doc, you fit the shoe and have self labeled yourself. The brown shirts will be arriving shortly to take you and your family to one of our Lord and Master, "He Who Brings the Light," Barak Obama's re-education camps. Please refrain from any resistance, they're with the government, and they're there to help you see the error and criminality of your actions and beliefs.
You could save them the time and money of coming to get you and will only require five years of hard labor for you and your family, otherwise, it's ten.
If you've got a third party cantidate sticker, pro 2nd amendment, pro Jesus, or anti Obama bumper sticker, you'll have to be put to immediate death as there's just no hope.
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Elver
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The people working in our government are paranoid. They are going to create problems where problems don't exist. We've lost a lot of privacy and rights as a result. This is definitely not the land of the free any longer.
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