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Wolfmanjack
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Posted: July 24 2009 at 4:06pm |
Can anyone refute what this website is saying ?
Just the name of the site has me a bit concerned about its impartiality.. I am wondering if there is any truth at all in the claims it is making. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Health_Concerns/Vaccines/five_baffling_vaccination_facts.htm Approximately 1/3 of Doctors Refuse Vaccinations, yet . . .Exposure to illness is an occupational hazard for the medical community. Doctors are among the highest risk population groups and most hospitals and practices make it mandatory for physicians to be vaccinated. Researcher and author Neil Z. Miller reports that approximately 66% of pediatricians and obstetricians refused the MMR shot in one study.[1] An equal percentage of doctors refused the Hepatitis B shot, mostly citing safety concerns because of rumors of animal DNA contamination in the shots.[2] The American Medical Association's (AMA) Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine cite a 1994 study where approximately 1/3 of doctors were working without mandatory flu vaccines.[3] Yet the doctors blindly follow national recommendations to vaccinate every child they can round up (sometimes with as many as five vaccines in one visit). Fact #2:Vaccine Failures are Well Documented, yet . . .The AMA reported that “measles is increasingly
becoming a disease of adults,” admitting that the demographics of this
typically childhood disease are shifting to adults as vaccines wear off too
early.[4] Almost all childhood illnesses are deemed much more dangerous in
adults. Mumps and rubella are also being reported to be shifting toward older
children and adults. During epidemics, measles has been known to attack nearly
100% vaccinated populations.[5] Similar statistics have been seen during mumps
outbreaks. Rubella, which is very innocuous in childhood, is now threatening
women of child-bearing age (the very group the shot was supposed to protect to
prevent birth defects).[6] After nearly 55 years of medical hoopla, the
Centers for Disease Control reports that pertussis is at the highest levels
since 1967. [7] Constant (and profitable) boosters are now the government’s
only solution for shortsightedly disrupting the natural course of childhood
illnesses. Yet, the policymakers are never apologetic. Fact #3Vaccine Efficacy is Often Misreported, yet . . .The medical establishment has always maintained that there is no ethical way to study vaccine efficacy in a random, double-blind environment because of ethical implications. Efficacy is thus measured by blood antibody counts for a particular vaccine. As fact #2 shows with regard to measles in vaccinated populations, antibody titers are extremely unreliable predictors of whether a vaccinated child will contract a disease. Based on the antibody titer logic, the whole-cell pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine, the only product available in the U.S. until recently, was deemed 85 to 90% effective by the U.S. medical community.[8] When the same product was recently tested in Sweden and Italy during a U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) funded study, the vaccine proved only 48 and 36% effective respectively.[9] Searching for a smokescreen, the CDC immediately hailed the newer acellular vaccine as being a safer, more effective product (they had initially blasted this Japanese product as being ineffective, but constant bad press about the safety of whole-cell vaccines changed their minds -- and statistics). The government’s excuse for the miserable
efficacy rates was that the kids in the study only got three shots, while
American kids get additional boosters at 18 months and 4-6 years. Let’s see,
pertussis is most dangerous for children under one, who get 3 shots (at 2, 4,
and 6 months). Maybe the pertussis bacterium avoids infants fearing those
upcoming boosters! As if that wasn’t absurd enough, the same official
explained that the low efficacy of the vaccine can partially be attributed to
the fact that both Sweden and Italy were in the middle of epidemics during the
studies. Huh? You mean the product is 85-90% effective unless it comes in
contact with the disease, at which point it fails 64% of the time? Yet, the
medical community continues to give these products credit for eliminating
infectious diseases. Fact #4Vaccines Kill and Maim Regularly, yet...The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), established in 1986, has paid out over $1 billion in injury awards to date. Thousands of cases are pending, stuck in the federal bureaucracy.[10] This despite the fact that HHS Secretary Donna Shalala recently narrowed the definition of vaccine injury so critically that only immediate and severe reactions can now qualify.[11] Seizure disorders, brain damage, ataxia, aseptic meningitis, paralysis, learning difficulties, and death, that typically occur many days or weeks following these vaccines are now all excluded. And here’s the cherry on top: since doctors have little incentive to report themselves to a passive reporting system like the government's Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), former FDA Director David Kessler once admitted that only 10% of vaccine injury cases are ever reported.[12] So the injuries can even conservatively amount to tens of thousands of children every year, while doctors continue to diagnose and treat mysterious new illnesses and maintain the “one in a million” adverse reaction myth taught in med schools (Hint: no drug is that safe). Actually, the physicians’ creed, instead of,
“First, do no harm,” might as well be, “First, deny causal relationship.” Not
that a causal relationship matters either. The prestigious and supposedly
independent Institute of Medicine (IOM) reported after a thorough review in
1991 that a causal relationship did exist between acute encephalopathy (brain
inflammation) and the DPT shot.[13] They also found a causal relationship
between the MMR shot and chronic arthritis in women. Yet, they did the obvious
when it comes to pampering pharmaceutical giants -- they recommended
continuing the suspect products and suggested “further study” (translation:
maintain profitable and deceptive status quo). Fact #5Vaccines are Not Tested for Long-Term Safety, yet...After years of controversy the CDC finally admitted in 1996 that the polio vaccine used on millions in the 1950s may have contained the SV-40 monkey retrovirus (which causes cancer in laboratory animals). [14] Of course, they went on to deny that there is any, you guessed it, “causal relationship” between contaminated vaccines and the dramatic increases in many diseases like cancer, chronic fatigue, learning disorders, epilepsy, juvenile diabetes, etc. The sad fact for the consumer is that vaccines will never be reliably implicated in diseases occurring years or even decades after a shot. Drug companies hardly have the incentive to provide researchers with multi-million dollar grants and risk being held responsible for altering the global gene pool. Vaccine inserts always warn that the mutagenic and carcinogenic potential of the products has not been tested. Forced into our children’s bloodstreams without the benefit of the natural defense our organs mount, horse, cow, chicken, monkey, rabbit or even worse, lab-engineered, DNA can have consequences that no scientist can predict with our limited knowledge of the human immune system. (Add to this diseased or lab-created tissue all the adjuvants and stabilizers like formaldehyde, antibiotics, aluminum salts and thimerosal -- a mercury derivative -- and you have a truly toxic witch’s brew). The new breed of chronic illnesses are too profitable for the medical community to sweat over their mysterious causes. While more virulent and drug-resistant forms of infectious diseases manifest themselves, researchers are getting a cold shoulder from the government for discovering potential problems with old and new vaccines.[15] Emerging research into vaccine links to diabetes, arthritis, allergies, asthma, and many crippling autoimmune disorders seems to indicate that the chronic effects of these products can linger undetected for years (generations?) only to explode into our systems later. Chronic diseases are increasing at a staggering rate in the West. Many like Type 1 diabetes, asthma and certain cancers have increased three- to five-fold over the last 50 years. The reasons remain obscure and unresearched as the scientists "speculate" on the causes. We are in a short-sighted world which, in pursuit of a quick buck, shows little concern for contaminating our species with foreign proteins which can permanently alter or even incapacitate our future generations. Yet, we keep bowing to a system whose chief motive is simply profit. We are unsuspectingly handing people our hard earned money so they can sell us a product that has been suspect since its inception -- ineffective, unsafe, and potentially a threat to the survival of our species. |
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The content looks pretty solid. You might call it the fine print of vaccination. There is more of an effort to influence peoples over all alarm level than pure science to the developing vaccines.
Here's some solid for you. http://www.heilkunst.com/drugs10.html http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0815/is_3_30/ai_n13246433/ Flu vaccines provide virtually no benefit to children. That's the conclusion of a new review of all relevant studies. Interestingly, the news comes at a time when some health officials have begun to recommend the vaccination of all children in order to prevent them from passing on the flu to their elderly relatives. The review follows on the heels of a study that looked at three decades' worth of data and found that vaccines for the elderly are not as effective as previously thought. And contrary to conventional medical wisdom, vaccines do not seem to reduce flu-related deaths in elderly people. To determine the value of flu vaccines to children, Tom Jefferson, MD, and colleagues at the Cochrane Collaboration looked at over a thousand studies. They selected 14 high-quality clinical trials in which vaccinated children had been compared with unvaccinated children. The combined results of these 14 trials were reported in The Lancet (2/26/05). Here's the conclusion: "We recorded no convincing evidence that vaccines can reduce mortality, [hospital] admissions, serious complications, and community transmission of influenza." The best the Cochrane reviewers could come up was this: "Vaccines were somewhat effective at reducing school absence..." Though the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Prevention advises flu vaccines for babies 6-23 months because they tend to suffer more complications once they get the flu, no evidence supports the recommendation. The Cochrane reviewers found that vaccines had little effect on bronchitis, ear infections, and hospitalizations, compared with the babies given placebo vaccines. In short, the CDC recommendations are irresponsible given the fact that the only two studies that involved babies found no benefit and little is known about adverse effects of these vaccines for babies. Benefit to Elderly overrated Now for the importance of flu vaccines to the elderly. A new comprehensive study cast doubt on the widespread belief that flu vaccines save lives (Archives of Internal Medicine, 2/14/05). Though the authors work for a federal government health agency, they produced evidence that failed to support CDC recommendations. Lone Simonsen, PhD, and colleagues at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases conducted a review of 33 consecutive flu seasons, from 1968 to 2001. The authors began their report with an acknowledgement that an accurate assessment of flu-related deaths is virtually impossible because few cases are confirmed with blood tests. And the viral infection is usually cleared from the body before the appearance of complications that cause death. For these reasons, the authors had to use a special statistical method to estimate flu-related deaths and deaths from all causes among elderly Americans over the three-decade-period. Here is what Dr. Simonsen and colleagues found: --The number of flu-related deaths among elderly Americans increased steadily during the 33-year-period, despite the fact that their acceptance of flu vaccinations also steadily increased. For example, only 20% of all elderly Americans had a flu shot in 1980, compared with 65% in 2001. --There was a decline in flu-related deaths among people 65-74 years in the decade after the 1968 flu pandemic because people had naturally acquired immunity due to exposure to the emerging viruses of that period. The increasing flu vaccine coverage after 1980, however, did not correlate with a decline in flu-related deaths. --The over-all death rate for people over 85 during flu seasons did not change over the 33-year-period. Dr. Simonsen and colleagues cite earlier research that might provide an explanation for why flu vaccines did not reduce the flu-related deaths in "the very elderly" after 1980 when vaccine coverage began to increase, "...antibody responses following influenza vaccination decline sharply after age 65 years and a clinical trial involving subjects 60 years or older...found that the efficacy of influenza vaccine in preventing influenza illness was lower in people older than 70 years." Because fewer than 10% of all winter deaths can be attributed to the flu in any year during this study's three-decade period, the authors conclude that vaccination's benefit to elderly people has been substantially overestimated. http://theanthroblogogist.50webs.com/body/vaccines_poison_they_dont_w.htmlhttp://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html http://www.doctoryourself.com/flushot.html that's just a warm up.. there are hundreds.. some credit for extensive research on vaccines can be credited to Bluebird - once database manager for ....... and an accomplished dataminer and mother. Medclinician |
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Thanks .. While it may be good information. I don't like the fact that fundamentalists (The web site in question) Are pushing it.......... Like all Fundy's messages or information.. The core may be correct but been twisted to fit their viewpoint..
Mehh.. once again.. Thanks for the followup information and links :) |
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the delete option is off on access.. but to save everyone a rant.. see other post.
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Wolfmanjack,I am a doctor and you accussed anyone that refused to Vaccines of some kind of Bibile wierd o's. I am not a Bible wirad O and I do recommend that kids their baby shots. But I do not recommend that any one gets a shot that some room full of Bible hating widerd o's recommend.Also I can not call your above statements as incorrect. I do believe in God(just for the record). Johnray1
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Hello John- Yes, unfortunately due to the last administration and much confusion between a far right group of -Christians- who were very vocal and as the popularity of Bush dissolved, so did the public view of Christianity. We are still here- those who believe in God, without trying to push our beliefs on everyone aggressively or being falsely hooked to any number of extremists. This is a myth. It would be as unreal as hooking all Muslims as being members of the Taliban, a radical religious group as well. Neither the Taliban or religious extremists accurately represent the majority of Christians. I believe all persons, even pagans, and that is a stretch- for it says... if your wife is an unbeliever do not put her away- for in time through your faith she may come to believe- should have freedom to worship. That is what our country is founded upon. Creating these racial slurs- which are now religious slurs that would be no more tolerated than the word nigger in times when the black people finally rose up to equality is wrong. Fundies, is right up there with niggers, kites, japs, and every other ignorant offense term judging a group by a few, even a number of extremists. Christians- do not advocate violence, prejudice, or even the abuse toward any group. Jesus ate with the publicans and sinners and when criticized he said "the well have no need of a physician." Also he stood ready to be stoned to death with and adulterer who later became his companion Mary Magdalene who stood by his side at the crucifixion when his trusty disciple Peter, now the revered first pope denied him three times and said "I never knew the man" while a harlot washed his feet with her hair to anoint him for his burial. It is by love and the growth of our society we have learned tolerance for all men and women, and upon this is our country founded. In every religion are good people. As as Jesus said of Cornelius thou you are not of our flock- some still will be saved (this is paraphrased and should be looked up) . Atheists have the right to not believe. My grandfather was (on one side) a confirmed atheist and my grandmother the daughter of a Salvation Army zealot with bonnet and tamborine in the temperance movement. These are the final days- and we have no time or energy for hatred, or racism, or that which divides us. We are all in this together. We should learn to live that way, or we will die, apart. Medclinician I Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Whether those out there are Christian or not, I found this passage especially powerful, that even in marriage we are not to condemn nor judge, but practice as we believe, that we may at least be a witness of that which is dear to us. |
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I am concerned about the information of these links versus the info about the worldwide deaths under the age of five from vaccine preventable diseases.I'll have to relook the source up but I remember there were 6 million children globally who died each year from lack of vaccines. MC do you have that source?
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6 million children globally who died each year from lack of vaccines.
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small number... 300 million in the US alone. I'm wondering...
lack of a vaccine for... Malaria... Dengue Fever....Aids... TB ... These are the biggies
(pandemic) and there are no vaccines for them.
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The source is very important. For one reason, it could be the people who manufacture the vaccines or the industry who makes a great deal of money from giving them. You have mentioned Dengue Fever. It is currently Pandemic. Recently while researching I came across an outbreak in the last month or so in Brazil http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/03/world/main3992163.shtml "We have to enter into combat like we're fighting a war, to minimize the suffering of the population," said field hospital commander Maj. Roberto Tury. Rio de Janeiro state, home to 16 million people, has seen more than 45,000 cases of dengue since January, compared to 25,107 cases in all of 2007, officials say. Fifty four people have died in the state this year, while more than 60 reported deaths are under investigation. The essential question here is not the use of vaccines if they are effective and if they are safe, it is how effective they are and how well tested they are before giving one hundred million people a shot of something which is not sufficiently human trial tested. As JohnRay M.D. said, basically he has his children vaccinated, but the use of vaccine which has not gone through some stringent testing, is unwise. The one company we have communicated with, among others, Novavax- is using a synthetic particle and cellular technolgoy to create and manufacture the vaccine. First extensive testing must be done to be sure humans do not basically have problems with the particle- basically allergies- or even some type of unusual problems. When we created artificial blood cells, we found that they were doing tissue damage, because even though they could do the oxygen exchange they were just too hard and were tearing the tissue. So in developing a vaccine with synthetic virus, it will be going through the blood stream, it will have unique properties and we do not know how the immune system will react to it. There have been studies using this technology in India, and it appears to be working. Already human trials of the tech. Yet while other companies have realized egg versus cell is no good for time and speed, Baxter notoriously had live virus in a shipment sent to Poland and surrounding companies. This is unheard of generally in a vaccine. Baxter is currently developing lion's share of the novel Influenza A vaccine. Giving a person a shot with live virus instead of weakened or dead virus is the equivalent of infecting them with the disease with at least an IM injection of the pathogen. Docs on here correct me if I am wrong about this. This is the same company that is making 60,000,000 doses of what we are about to inject into our children and ourserves. Concerned? Yes, a little. A befuddled we don't know how a substance that is not even supposed to be on the premises winds up in the vaccine does not inspire confidence. But it did not phase 60,000,000 pre-paid orders from many countries. A very simple concept but important is that if they worked, and some of us are actively researching what we call wide-spectrum anti-virals- this would be akin to wide-spectrum antibiotic. If I were to go to NIH or especially FDA, and head up to a lab in New York and say- I am going to make a vaccine for H1N1 Influenza A- with 2 parts pig- one part maybe of Avian and one part human- It would take a year at least to get the okay- do the paperwork for human trials, do the paperwork for submission of the research grant in 3 phases, and then finally after years of human trials- be allowed to sell the drug, have a product. This is enough reading for one post. Those of us in the health care and research industry are asking the kind of questions we are asked when we submit for grants or research projects to NIH or any health organization. Fast tracking is a concept widely used in the development of urgently needed technology. No matter how urgent the need for this one, or the vaccine, we must proceed with precise and quality controlled research, development, and testing for effectiveness and above all - safety. Medclinician |
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Here is another article I just found...........Can Anyone refute this one as well please. I am hoping someone can. (I am not sure if this article has been posted in another thread due to the date.)
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I can look at ingredients and not like them... or be afraid. But this is a very personal choice. Parents love their children, some will feel very safe having Vac's available...some will not want it. Parents need to decide with informed consent. How safe is it? Talk to your child's Doctor, read the insert. Say No to multi-dose vials. Ask your school ....now.... for a PTA meeting on Vaccinations and school closings. Know .... Before school starts. Ask the school... what is the game plan? Call...write.... put a letter in your local paper.... address other parents. Keep talking... asking.
print out any info you like.... there is a lot of info from CDC on the ...Now at Level 6 thread.
take info you print off to the PTA.... ask them.... is this vaccine safe? it says here...it
contains...xyz....or insect cells...know what the word adjuvent means... talk to your Doctor
from a base of...knowledge.
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