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Posted: September 05 2009 at 10:00pm |
New Harmony Vision
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Community Experiment in America (1825)
New Moral World, Owen's envisioned successor of New Harmony. Owenites fired bricks to build it, but construction never took place.At last, in 1825, such
an experiment was attempted under the direction of his disciple, Abram Combe, at Orbiston near Glasgow; and in the next year Owen himself commenced another at New Harmony, Indiana, U.S.A.,
sold to him by George Rapp.
After a trial of about two years both failed completely, due to Owen's lack of presence to
govern either of the communities. Neither of them was a pauper experiment; but it must be said that the members were of the most motley description, many worthy people of the highest aims being mixed with vagrants, adventurers, and crotchety, wrongheaded enthusiasts, or in the words of Owen's son "a heterogeneous collection of radicals... honest latitudinarians, and lazy theorists, with a sprinkling of unprincipled sharpers thrown in." Josiah Warren, who was one of the participants in the New Harmony Society, asserted
that community was doomed to failure due to a lack of individual sovereignty and private property. He says of the community: "We had a world in miniature - we had enacted the French revolution over again with
despairing hearts instead of corpses as a result. - It appeared that it was nature's own inherent law of diversity that had conquered us - our "united interests" were directly at
war with the individualities of persons and circumstances and the instinct of self- preservation..." (Periodical Letter II 1856) .........................................................................
Google the name of your state and Socialism.
example
vermont and socialism
Virginia and socialism
It may ... give you the Willies. Or not.
I did it with Massachusetts..... (because they passed that "Pandemic Clampdown"
and the spotlight is on them for the moment.
So check out your own State for the Tone Of The Day.
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Massachusetts
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Govt Health Care: Lessons from the People's Republic of MassachusettsJul 29, 2009 ... No wonder I and many others call the Massachusetts experiment with American socialism a
“model for disaster.” ...
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We are union activists fighting for workers’ rights and militant, democratic unions; we are people of color speaking out against racism, students organizing against sweatshops and war, immigrants demanding papers for all undocumented workers, women and men fighting sexism and homophobia. We campaign for the building of a mass workers’ party to represent the interests of workers, youth, and the environment against the two parties of big business. We see the global capitalist system as the root cause of terrorism, war, poverty, discrimination, and environmental destruction. As capitalism moves deeper intocrisis and recession, a new generation of workers and youth must join together to take the top 500 corporations into public ownership.
We believe the dictatorships that existed in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe were perversions of what socialism is really about. We are for democratic socialism where people will have control over their daily lives.
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What is Socialism - Public Meeting in Quincy
June 11th, 2009 What Is Socialism? Public meeting in Quincy hosted by Socialist Alternative Monday, June 15th7:00 - Quincy, MA
This recession is causing many people to question the capitalist economic system and to
seek alternatives.
A recent poll by Rasmussen found that only 53% of American adults believe that capitalism
is better than socialism. 33% of adults under 30 prefer socialism.
from-
Boston Socialist Alternative
3rd Annual Massachusetts Socialism Conference. April 23rd, 2009 ... Association in local Classified Staff Union at the University of Massachusetts Boston. ... boston.socialistalternative.org/ VoteNoCommunism.com » Blog Archive » Massachusetts SocialismStiglitz 1994 wither socialism cambridge massachusetts mitpress ...The Political Coffeehouse: The Hypocrisy in MassachusettsConservatives? (Winchester: schools, high income, tax ...What's the Matter with Massachusetts? - Blogcritics PoliticsJun 11, 2007 ... Nothing is wrong with Massachusetts?!! Obviously you have not attempted to ... My understanding of socialism is that wealth is to be ... ....................................................................................................................................... If you wish to read ... paste them into-
books.google.com
The American Socialist Movement 1897-1912 By Ira Kipnis Socialism and the workers in Massachusetts, 1886-1912 By Henry F. Bedford
Marxian socialism in the United States By Daniel Bell
The present status of socialism in America ... By Jessie Wallace Hughan
The essentials of socialism By Ira Brown Cross
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Socialism: Out In The Open Mary008
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Socialism?
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Examples of contemporary economic systems include
socialist systems, and mixed economies.
"planned market economy?"
command economy,[3] centrally planned economy, or command and control economy[4].
economy, where production, distribution, pricing, and investment decisions are made by the private owners of the factors of production based upon their own interests rather than upon furthering some overarching macroeconomic plan. Less extensive forms of planned economies include those that use indicative planning, in which the state employs "influence, subsidies, grants, and taxes, but does not compel."[7]
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WHO CARES???? Get this crap off this thread and put it in OT. Can we please clean up the General Discussion section now that Albert's back????
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I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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I googled socialism and California. I couldn't believe what came up. Thanks for bringing this to our attention!
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The Propaganda Machine is alive and well on AFT
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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." G Orwell
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Can't dispute the facts ? "To Ignore the facts does not change the facts."
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should have clarified... I have quite an interest in the period of History when Utopian Societies were popular in the US. Like the Shakers... we have visited their communities and met an elder in the 1980's, she was in her 90's.... I have a pic of our 2 yr old meeting her :)
I put this up..
Contrary to popular belief,
Examples of contemporary economic systems include
socialist systems, and mixed economies. .......................................
Be cause people were becoming worried about "socialism" In our country?
and i just think that, It can't happen. and that we will perhaps have a Govt. assist
eventually (somewhere in the middle) for our health care.
after all... So. Sec. amd Medicare/Medicaid are Govt. programs... and I hardly call us
Socialist for that.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2003.09.20_42_Ephrata_Cloister_Pennsylvania.jpg Ephrata Cloister Pennsylvania
During the time that this group formed, there was a hint of dissatisfied intellectualism of churches. Many wanted to be away from state established churches. Strict religious lives caused these brothers and sisters to come together to worship God in other ways. Instead of practicing their religion, they applied it by helping others to become more spiritual and celibate. Among the sisterhood and brotherhood there included a married order of householders, which were families who supported and engaged in the everyday activities. Other than practicing quiet lives by praying and doing charity work [4], the Cloisters had a duty and that duty was to keep up with the tasks of living at Ephrata. Farming and industrial work were the typically workload on a daily basis. Although the Cloisters often practiced their religion by interpreting biblical works, they also engaged in carpentry and papermaking.
Other tasks included gardening, preparing meals, and mending. [5] Not only were the cloisters famous for their writings and hymns on the printing press but they became very busy people especially when it came to chores. They manufactured clothing on a mill and kept their lives busy by creating duties and obligations.
The Cloisters had a positive outlook in life; they respected their neighbors, land and environment. Education was also important in their society. It was important that every child maintain their education. Children that came from families were also encouraged to be educated in the German school. Educating the young was one of the charity works that the Cloisters accomplished. They also helped the poor by passing around bread to the poor families.
Other believing families settled near the community, accepted Beissel as their spiritual leader and worshipped with them on Sabbath. These families made an integral part to the cloister, which could not be self-sustaining without them. The brothers and sisters of Ephrata are famous for their writing and publishing of hymns, and the composition of tunes in four voices. Beissel served as the community's composer as well as spiritual leader, and devised his own system of composition. The Ephrata hymnal (words only) was printed in 1747.
The charismatic Beissel died in 1768, and this contributed to a declining membership. The monastic aspect was gradually abandoned, with the last celibate member dying in 1813. In 1814 the Society was incorporated as the German Seventh Day Baptist Church (or The German Religious Society of Seventh Day Baptists). Branches were established in other locations, some still surviving in 2009. In 1941, a 28-acre (100,000 m²) Ephrata tract of land with remaining buildings was conveyed to the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for use as a state historical site.
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also visited Ephrata Cloister. Lovely tranquil place.
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Photos by Hermann Luyken
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