Indonesia 'risks bird flu pandemic'

A LACK of funding and expertise in Indonesia is increasing the risk of bird flu evolving into a global human pandemic, an Australian expert on the virus has said.

Andrew Jeremijenko says there is data to show the H5N1 virus, which has been killing humans in Indonesia, is different from the one that is killing birds.

"So far the investigations have been unable to match the viruses," he told the ABC yesterday. "They don't seem to be able to match the viruses from the human case to the animal case. And that is putting the world at threat.

"Every human case is another potential mutation that could turn this virus into a pandemic virus."

Dr Jeremijenko has worked in Indonesia for eight years, most recently leading influenza surveillance studies for a US naval medical research group.

He said there had been no human deaths in Turkey, Vietnam or Thailand after effective control programs were implemented. But in Indonesia there was poor communication between the departments of Health and Agriculture and the deaths kept on coming, with two suspected H5N1 deaths in the past week.

http://smh.com.au/news/world/indonesia-risks-bird-flu-pandem ic/2006/02/25/1140670301306.html

I have been watching Indonesia as closely as I can via all the media sources.

The last few clusters have been difficult to pin point where the close contact with infected birds occured.

I also believe we now have a H2H strain moving around Indonesia.

They are now having family clusters reqularly with infection times consistent with H2H transmission. 

I always thought it would be Africa, but like they say "You never hear the bullet"

Indonesia 'risks bird flu pandemic'. 

A LACK of funding and expertise in Indonesia is increasing the risk of bird flu evolving into a global human pandemic..

wannago wrote: Im Appalled I agree Let's not get all panicked yet Under 100 cases is not a pandemic.  A pandemic potential, yes.

Wanngo,

I'm with you.   

Worrying signs indeed.. H2H....

Not Culling Birds Effected with Bird Flu.

Why is it when   talking about the possibility  of h2h some say "Don't panic.?"

When that enevitability comes around, do they think we're gonna run around hurting ourselves and others. how does one panic?

All i would for see initally in an h2h situation  is that those who have preped quietly impliment their plan A. not panic.

Do you mean by panic that you might prematurely look like a fool to some people? do you mean panic is doing something that the majority will think. silly. Do you mean by doing some type of panic thing we will hurt ourselves?

What is panic? We were called panickers  a year ago by beginning to accumulate preps. We were called panickers for searching the news. We are called panickers for comming to this forum to find like minded people and get a different take on the news. Now we will be called panickers for pointing out the  spread of h2h.

the possibility of h2h is finally looming (as predicted by experts) and some  say don't panic. I say,Panic if you don't have a plan. Forget being popular or how you appear to the public at large. It will be us sitting in our refuges when the time comes, so we will have to be comfortable when we each make our own plan A decision to make it thru the long isolation.

Nobodys gonna ring a bell and we all magically scuttle off to our shelter. So if the first few here on this forum decide to impliment their plan A will you say they are panicking? Thats their decision, comfort level and regional response to a threat that is real to them. When that time comes we will all make that decision so we will be comfortable with the results and can mentally accept the long isolation to come.

Maybe panic is the wrong word. Call it an informed decision for us here. A concious decision. A well anticipated response.

AS the uninformed and unprepared do panic. they will call prepers hoarders. Seen it before. When the shelves run low. those that didn't have the foresight to prep will look around pointing fingers at those who did prep and  say "Hoarders." laws will be passed to prevent stockpiling etc...

If you preped years and months in advance does that make you a hoarder? panicer? alarmist?  certianly not.

So what is panic?  Let  us go about the business of not being intemidated to get the news and word out in some shape or form so that we can make informed choices that pertain to us and our familys. not other peoples opinions.

The governments use the terms Panic, hoarder ,Alarmist  etc in the media to intimidate , minupilate and control people. let us hope in the next few weeks and months as the situation heats up and evolves that it won't be used here.

How could you let that happen??  No Coffee??  

Thomas Angel wrote: Elizabeth wrote: We are so screwed if this is really happening already. It's happening.  I'm not "screwed", I'm prepared.  I would suggest that you prepare now.

Follow the Money! Look at April 06 Puts for Tyson Chicken, Novavax

BF pandemic stock play and Gold among other things.

The Big money is re positioning in a flight to quality if you look closely.

Corn - to answer your question on 'what is panic'...see Suretosurvive's Avatar...that is what the naysayers will be hoping to do pretty soon!

Since it is so hot here in AZ during the summer, my family was discussing building an underground storm shelter to store our canned goods (in case we loose power).  I'll check the prep thread to see if I can get some advice on how to do that.  somebody from a hurricane or tornado region can probably give some good advice!

As far as Africa being our guess vs. Indonesia...I'd be willing to bet a months supply of spaggetti (sp) and sauce that it is H2H in Africa also - they are culling but there is no way things are under control there.  They probably wouldn't even know if a person died from BF or AIDS or something else.....

"Romania suspects man of having bird flu"

(2 hours ago)

http;//www.alernet.org/thenews/newsdesk

1. Hey Joe ! know this isn't indo news but couldn't dig around enough to find thread.  Here looks like some SUSCHIAN SHEEP!

2. After bird flu, France fears 'mad sheep' disease 

3. AFP via Yahoo! News - Feb 26 8:26 AM
   France, which last week became the first European Union country to register the deadly bird flu in its commercial poultry sector, now fears it might have an outbreak of a rare strain of "mad sheep" disease, the agriculture ministry has said.

5. Two suspected cases of a rare strain of the brain-wasting disease, which is also called Scrapie and ovine spongiform encephalopathy, have been identified on two different farms in central France, the ministry said in a statement issued on the second day of France's annual agricultural show.

   "We will have more details in a few days," a source at the ministry said, while the ministerial statement said that one-year of tests would be needed before a final assessment could be made.

   The source said Sunday that given that the strain was "unknown it is important to know exactly what the consequences are and in what conditions it is transmissible."

   A representative of the national ovine federation stressed that there was no risk to consumers.

   "There is no risk for human consumption because since 'mad cow disease', whether it be for cattle or sheep, all risk materials, like brain, the bone marrow and the spleen are systematically removed before they are put on the market," Emmanuel Cost, the federation's deputy president told AFP.

   He said that neither of the sheep -- which had originated in the central departments of Cher and Nievre -- had been put on the market and the herds from which they came had been isolated and placed under surveillance.

   Scrapie was common in France in the 19th century, but only one case of the rare strain was publically announced in a goat in 2004, an official for the French meat information centre said.

   France's national flock has been in decline to eight million heads today, from 9.4 million in 2000 to 11.5 million in 1988.Save to My Web

6. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060226/hl_afp/healthfranceflus heep_060226162607

The biggest challenge to most of us over the coming weeks and months will be our mindsets and the mindset of other flubies. This includes me.

Our mindsets must be able to adjust to the changing BF environment and move in a timely fashion. We cannot straggle or be held back from reacting to BF spread. Switching to the next level of thought is crucial. Snooze you loose.

Our first mind set was that this virus could potentially be nasty and we're gonna watch for reports in the news. We saw them dribble in here and there, did historical comparisions with 1918. Read what officals and experts had to say, eagerly watched  the south east asian out breaks. we felt comfy from our desk wathcing  BF form great distances. We preped and shared our survival tips. We accepted this.

Then BF broke out of asia and into middle east. We watched. bought more preps. We accepted that.

Off to Africa where everybody said."Oh my god, If it ever hits Africa we're screwed."  more preps........We Accepted this as fact.

Then the European explosion and the lies became unraveling. South Korean human cases  long ago, China antibodies from way back. Indonesia human cases. etc. We came to terms and accepted this.

The time for preping will stop to an extent and the time to rely on those preps will begin at some point. That depends on you. The news and speculation will only get wilder as the search for facts become more urgent. Accept it.

Things are getting erily close and we have to accept the spread and h2h  transmission. We have been reading and searching about it for a long time.

Adjusting your mindset to the next level fast enough could save your life.

Dont wait to find out that what you think is unbelievable now will be believable tomorrow. Tomorrow is coming and we must adjust our mind sets. BF is not an south east asian thing anymore. Its been infecting people longer than we were lead to believe. It is in more countries than we know.

Be ready to act,, not gauk when the Bird Virus arrives in your region. Be ready to act when the h2h arrives in your region. Lead the pac. We are leaders here in this forum because we have  the advance knowledge. That makes us leaders weather we like it or not. Don't be afraid to lead. Accept that.

Be ready to act weeks before it becomes public knowledge, develope your own survailence system. Do not wait for the government to inform you. It will be too late. They will just go'"Oh shucks darn. How'd that get by me?"

Get the mindset to adjust mentally, react proactively ahead of the curve and not reactively after the obvious.

Alot of flubies will be lying sick on top thier preps waiting for the magic news. There will be none.

Start thinking forward and ask,"What is it I don't know?" Don't be afraid to accept the news  or intuition.  Do what you have been figuring to do for a long time now. He who hesitates is lost.

Okay..enough of that. stick a fork in me I'm done. Pass the ketchup!