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ops144 
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even if it is plague it is treatable with antibiotics
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Charter 97: Belarusians die from pneumonia complicated by swine fluToday at 20:45 |
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:24pm |
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Belarusians
die from pneumonia complicated by swine fluToday at 20:45
check the map...
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waterboy
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:36pm |
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dennis2
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:37pm |
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see the map ????
the areas of radiation are not located near Minsk where the deaths were. I do not understand your point. The same with the cases in Western Ukraine and the high radiation levels to the north and E of Lviv.
What point are you trying to make?
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after all is said and done- more is said than done
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:51pm |
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dennis... Radiation effected areas as far west as Britian... so the people in Western Ukraine may have been also... see map...west of Chernobyl...
 Please note the areas of illness...
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dennis2
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 2:11pm |
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So if the two are linked, why the hot spots of the flu in Lviv and Minsk where the radiation levels are < 15curries of Cs per Km^2 and not in the radiative hot spots (hundreds of miles removed) of >40 Cu per km^2?
Again, what scientific study can you point to that shows any correlation of radiation exposure and cases of flu? I would be interested. I do not see an obvious correlation. A large number of the flu cases are in children borned well after the Chernobyl event. If there was a correlation, I would expect the death rate to be higher in the older people that were more heavily exposed during the 1986 event. That is to say, I would expect a large variation in the death rates between those born before and after. Those born before 86 would have a much greater exposure.
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after all is said and done- more is said than done
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 3:42pm |
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hi dennis...
any information you may want can be found here and on many other sites.
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Loribearme
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:12pm |
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The radiation affected person would get the swine flu and the virus would be more able to mutate. to the nasty form like 1918 had! Read the history of the 1918 spanish flu and you will see that correlation. Also they had the same kind of lungs that would bleed out too!
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Loribearme
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:23pm |
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http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=209772
Report: Flu vaccine in Ukraine maybe contaminated with live bird flu virus
By: The Flu Case on: 03.11.2009 [11:55 ] (197 reads)
Unconfirmed reports from the Ukraine say that the seasonal flu vaccine used was contaminated by the live bird flu H5N1 virus and that the presence of the artifical virus has resulted in the unusually large numbers of deaths and cases of sick people. The symptoms reported are consistent with people being infected with the bird flu virus, namely severe lung infections, blood and pneumonia. The panic caused by the emergence of such a virus will help big pharma, the media and WHO/UN stampede people into taking the swine flu jab. Other safe and effective measures that offer protection against a lethal virus, such as colloidal silver, MMS, face masks and vitamins are not being mentioned by the mainstream media. Also, WHO has officially said that the seasonal flu jab can contain a "pandemic" virus, paving the way for big pharma to put in virulent viruses. WHO supplied Baxter in Austria with the live bird flu virus which Baxter then used to contaminated 72 kilos of seasonal flu vaccine this February. Because Baxter is obliged to adhere to biosafety level 3 regulations when handling the aritifical bird flu virus, developed by Jeffrey Taubenberg in a US bioweapons lab, an accidental contamination can be ruled out. Baxter distributed the 72 kilos of contaminated vaccine material with a false label to 16 labs in four countries — Czech Republic, Slovenia, Germany and Austria — so nearly triggering a bird flu pandemic, according to the Times of India. A WHO affiliated scientist in France, Professor Bruno Lina, told the local media this summer he was looking for a gene to make the swine flu more virulent. Injecting the live bird flu virus into people will increase the chances of a lethal virus mutation emerging as happened in Indonesia when a WHO mandated vaccination campaign led to an outbreak of bird flu. http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1565:unconfirmed-reports-seasonal-flu-vaccine-in-ukraine-contaminated-with-live-bird-flu-virus&catid=41:highlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en |
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:33pm |
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Right - I wouldn't expect it to get far in the US if this is the case, since most Dr.s here seem to want to hand out anti-biotics along with a flu diagnosis just to ward off any potential co-infection.
On the other hand, if people do catch PP and think they have the flu, we could see fatilities from people who try to just "get through it."
There aren't many good options here. The only way to protect the population from PP would be to tell people to assume they have it if they get sick and seek treatment immediately. Then you get panic. On the other hand, if you supress the info, you get a lot of deaths - which depending on how boged down the system already is dealing with H1N1, may not have been avoidable any way.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 9:56pm |
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I've looked into the possibility of a mutation in Ukraine and I don't see any at all. It looks like what we have here in the US. It's spreading quickly because of ideal weather and weak economy. The lack of advanced medical care, Medicine or even vaccinations to treat it. This is pushing the death toll somewhat higher then in the US per infection.
Some parts of the US are still going to peak much higher as the weather gets colder while some regions are already dropping. The Current death toll in the Ukraine is 70 with 250,000 Infections. That's a .028% CFR and the lack of proper medical care greatly effects the CFR. http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/51857/ Med the guy that wrote a Book on REAL UFO sightings made his own thread talking about everything from 15% CRF to 100% CFR :) If people want to panic and think about Radioactive mutations thats understandable but extremely unlikely. |
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 10:38pm |
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Radioactive mutations
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out on a limb... The point is ...anyone with an underlying condition is more at risk.
(how will the Ukranian people feel about Baxter vaccine?)
What vaccine will be available to them?
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Mary008
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