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dennis2
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Topic: over 10% HCW ill in Lviv Ukraine !!Posted: November 03 2009 at 9:45am |
very bad newsOver 10 percent of medical personnel in Lviv have flu and acute respiratory infections"Fifteen of them are receiving in-patient treatment," Zub said. According to him, in particular, 198 doctors, 312 nurses and 257 other medical personnel have flu and acute respiratory infections. He said that currently over 10% of the staff of the city's medical establishments are ill, and moreover, their number is growing. |
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 11:37am |
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members...please don't fuel this... until they have more facts.
We have to expect some countries with ...vulnerable.... populations will be harder hit by this novel virus... we were told to expect this....in some countries.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:15pm |
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Mary,
Your link to "eyewitness" does not seem to support your claims.
In fact it:
shows that 4 health workers are dead. (2 in Ternopil and 2 in Lviv)
The Who listings you give are days old and things are changing quickly.
Look at the Ukrainian paper:
not secondary sources as you list and try to claim to be "eyewitnesses".
The numbers and items I give are those reported by the current news sources.
If I use the the "the flucase.com" source you point to, they even have "unofficial" numbers of "According to unofficial data, "in Ukraine over the past week about 1500 people have already died" http://theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1576%3Aukraine-unknown-virus-is-killing-people&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en
Either your sources are accurate or not, either you use sources close to Ukraine or distant. I prefer to take the conservative numbers listed by the official new sources of the region and not remote second hand blogs 2 days old.
But that being said, yes we should look for the WHO report. But realize it will be out of date by the time we get it.
My "eyewitness" reports from emails (via my Ukrainian exchange student" is there is near panic in the western rural regions. They do not know the number but fear is common. The problem is that they never had a "little panic" that motivated them to prep and now are reaping a large panic as people just do not know what to do. I feel it better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If we are to avoid massive panic, we must not ignore the possiblity but prepare for it.
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Mary008
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:38pm |
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we should try to....keep calm... or it will be a loooong winter.
please check...
there are reasons for more illness in various countries, we have to expect this...and assist
the more vulnerable populations...I imagine Pres. Obama will be looking into helping as
many countries as possible.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:48pm |
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health worker do not have some sort of magic shield around them...they are just as vunerable as we are if not more so due to close proximity to ill people...i know i have worked in the field for 21+ years...it is not a reason to get bent now....if bodies start pilling up in the streets then ya i would worry.....but not now.
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 12:54pm |
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more interesting info Rival: PM using flue scare for politics Journal Staff Report KIEV, Nov. 2 – The government overreacted to an outbreak of the swine flu in Ukraine to give competitive advantage to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko at the next presidential election, a Tymoshenko rival charged Monday. The panic triggered by the government’s decision to declare the outbreak a major threat, has served to overshadow recent scandals involving Tymoshenko loyalists, Arseniy Yatseniuk, the No. 3 most popular presidential candidate, said. “This is in fact part of the political campaign,†Yatseniuk said in an interview with ICTV. “The main thing is to get the presidential office. All efforts and resources have been thrown for this.†At least 71 people, in western regions of Ukraine, were killed by the swine flu over the past three weeks, but the death toll figure has been apparently hovering around levels usually caused by seasonal flu. Oleksandr Bilovol, a deputy healthcare minister, said Monday the outbreak has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people only 15% exceeding figures reported in previous years. “Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,†Bilovol said. The Tymoshenko government on Friday declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu. Other measures included shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions. The measures, some of the sternest in the world, come in sharp contrast with other Eastern European countries that face similar challenges, analysts said. Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, which tracks the swine flu internationally, sees the pandemic as “moderate†in severity with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment. Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign. Yatseniuk is Tymoshenko’s biggest rival as both compete for votes in western regions of Ukraine. He is perhaps the only candidate that may challenge Tymoshenko in the first round of vote on January 17, 2010 to enter the runoff with opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych. Yatseniuk’s rating has been showing negative growth over the past several months, suggesting that Tymoshenko has been winning over voters in the western regions. “Why did the outbreak take place in four western regions? Because there are four battleground regions for the electorate,†Yatseniuk said. He said the panic spread by the government helps to put aside issues that are politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including the pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and Ukraine’s dismal economic performance caused by mismanagement. “Now, look what happened,†Yatseniuk said. “Does anybody talk about the pedophile scandal? No. Maybe somebody talks about Lozynskiy [a Tymoshenko lawmaker accused of shooting a person to death]? No. Maybe somebody talks about wages? No. Maybe somebody talks about four million unemployed? No. Maybe somebody talks about unpaid natural gas bills? No.†“People that are in fear, that are poor, are easier to be manipulated,†Yatseniuk said. “This is what the state apparatus is aimed at – manipulating the people.†(tl/ez) http://www.ukrainianjournal.com/inde...rticle&id=9367 __________________ |
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:12pm |
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Politics
It is strange to me to hear "Obama will..." instead of the "US government will..". It sounds like a political ad. Likewise it is strange to hear dismissal of deaths due to politics in the Ukraine. These are real people who have died. Notice the most recent WHO report (today):
According to the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, the country has now recorded more than 250 000 cases of influenza-like illness, with 235 patients requiring intensive care. As of 2 November, 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness have been reported.
Regions in western Ukraine continue to show the highest rates of acute respiratory illness/influenza-like illness. The level of activity in the Kyiv area is also increasing rapidly. Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus. Now you may say that you don't believe Ukraines or that you think every thing is political. But these are real people and the H1N1 has been confirmed. |
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:21pm |
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It is strange to me to hear "Obama will..." instead of the "US government will..".
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not really... Americans use both interchangably .
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it is strange to hear dismissal of deaths due to politics in the Ukraine.
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I agree... there is a rational explanation or 2 why more people may be ill in the Ukraine.
Why?
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dennis2
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:32pm |
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Mary,
I agree some of the areas are contaminated. However notice that the flu cases are in the W and the Cs 131 is in the central northern area.
On what scientific information are you linking the flue deaths in Western Ukraine with radiation in the North?
And no they are not used interchangeably - at least in this part of the country - except by those trying to make a political statement. The term is normally the neutral term "the white house" or the pres. instead of a personality cult term. It is the office not the man that will help other countries.
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