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 Topic: Understanding Vulnerable Populations/ UkrainePosted: November 03 2009 at 12:33pm |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kiew_Zentrum.jpg by Hoodrat Kiev / Kyiv at night 2008The World Health Organization sent a team to Kiev to assist
their local health officials with the epidemic.
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Understanding Vulnerable Populations
.......................................................... We have to remember what the citizens of many European/Eastern European countries have been through ... and rustle up a bit of empathy...
Many of the citizens came through some pretty hard times after WW2
See what Kiev looked like then. (below) Imagine the suffering and poor nutrition. And to top it off... imagine your rivers polluted by... radiation during the "Cold War." Some people may remember the older kids talking about bomb drills and hiding under desks? Not as tough a life ... right? Couple the nutrition of the children/families after the War, add the radiation
pollution... and now couple the health problems with the Novel H1N1v ... and you might ... get a lot more illness. So let's not fuel the fire with assertions, wild guesses, or put downs. (Americans are better than that.) Mary008
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nature.org ...the total radiation dose received by the population in the Dnipro basin following the years after the disaster has increased up to 3-13%. Nearly 450 thousand curie of cesium-137 and almost 70 thousand curie of strontium-90 are concentrated on the territory of the Prypiat and Dnipro river basins. The potential pollution by radionuclides coming from contaminated territories as a result of surface washing can amount to 1-2 % for strontium-90 and 0,1-0,3 - for cesium-137 per year. Although in 1994 the concentration of isotopes in water reservoirs tended to decrease into 100 times in comparison with 1986,
however its level exceeds the pre-catastrophe period for 35 times.
The water reservoirs of the cascade are specific storage facilities of radioactive pollution.
The concentration of cesium-137 coming from ( KIEV ) and Kakhovka reservoirs decrease
twice, strontium-90 - almost two times. 27% of strontium coming to ( KIEV ) reservoirs
remain in Kremenchuk reservoirs, 23% remain in ( KIEV ) and 11% in Kaniv water reservoirs.
Author: User:mno
Kiev/Ukraine
Desna River
 Dnipro River
Ruined Kiev in WWII
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 1:08pm |
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Chernobyl radiation map from CIA handbook, svg'd by User:Sting,
 Chernobyl radiation map 1996
When Chernobyl in the Ukraine Was a part of Russia
......................................................................................... Chernobyl is a city in northern Ukraine, in Kiev Oblast (Province), near the border with Belarus. The city was evacuated in 1986 due to the Chernobyl disaster at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, located 14.5 kilometers (9 miles) north-northwest. The power plant is within Chernobyl Raion (District), but the city was not the residence of the power-plant workers. When the power plant was under construction, Prypiat, a city larger and closer to the power plant, had been built as home for the power-plant workers.
Though the city today is mostly uninhabited, a small number of inhabitants reside in houses marked with signs stating that the "Owner of this house lives here". Workers on watch and administrative personnel of the Zone of Alienation are stationed in the city on a long term basis. Prior to its evacuation, the city was inhabited by about 14,000 residents.[1]
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......................................................................................................................................... Chernobyl disaster incident PART 1
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............................................................. It happened in ... Chernobyl - 23 Jun 08 - Part 1
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This gives us a sense of what fear can do, the harm from the fear
a government has ...against what? Weapons of Mass Distruction?
Bioterrorism? Pandemic? Nuclear Attack? The harm a massive fear can have on a Nation, the money of the people, the laws, Lifestyle, Health Veterans... Every Day people? Prodded at airports, tagged, chipped, targeted, followed? Look what it did to the Russians... (the people paid a terrible price for the Russian Government's fear during the "Cold War" ) ... and other Nations to a lesser extent. Here- ............................................................................................................................ Mayak, the site of a former Russian nuclear plant and the most radioactively polluted
place on Earth.
Ozersk, whose sealed borders prevent outsiders from getting in and residents from getting out.
Radioactive Contamination of Chelyabinsk Region ..................................................................................... A serious nuclear accident occurred in 1957 at the Mayak nuclear fuel reprocessing plant, 150 km north-west of the city, caused deaths in Chelyabinsk Oblast but not in the city. The province was closed to all foreigners until 1992. Shows contamination
http://www.physik.uni-oldenburg.de/epol/public_html/risiko/mapstrontium.gif ................................. Chelyabinsk: The Most Contaminated Spot on the Planet 1/7
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 3:40pm |
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"Twenty years after the [Chernobyl] disaster, epidemiologist John Urquhart told the Nuclear Free Local Authorities conference in London on Thursday that he had found an 'almost perfect correlation' between areas where rain from radioactive clouds fell [in the UK], and an 11% increase in infant deaths. Nationwide averages have so far masked the regional increases in infant death rates. But when seen in conjunction with a detailed nuclear fallout map based on meteorological data, a different picture emerges, he said. The researcher obtained infant death figures from 1983 to 1992 for 200 hospital districts across England and Wales. He found regional increases in infant deaths following the accident, which happened on 26 April 1986, in areas where plumes of rain brought nuclear fallout onto the ground."
"Milk and meat produced by private farms in areas affected by the Chernobyl disaster create a major health risk to local residents, Russia's chief doctor said Monday. 'Radionuclides in food products are the main contributors to doses of internal radiation,' Gennady Onishchenko told a press conference ahead of the 20th anniversary of the world's worst civilian nuclear disaster."
Chernobyl-area food major source of radiation - chief doctor Novosti (Russia), 23 April 2006 |
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:12pm |
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"Chornobyl Child' Causes International Stir By Refusing To Return to Belarus
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Belarusian officials responded to Tanya's refusal to return home by banning foreign
exchanges of children affected by the 1986 explosion at Chornobyl. Minsk said it would not
allow children to travel to Western countries without guarantees that all will return home.
Finally, there is a more general problem of resorting to nuclear power in the country most
affected by the Chernobyl disaster. About one fifth of Belarus' residents inhabit areas
contaminated by that accident
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 4:59pm |
Who Knows?Seeing various amounts... The "small fire" produced the radiation fallout equal to 500 Hiroshima bombs. 70% of it landed in Belarus. Especially sad now is that most of the attention is directed at Ukraine, and Belarus is ignored. Also inside Belarus Lukashenka’s government downplays the negative effects of radiation.http://www.br23.net/en/2006/04/26/my-chernobyl/ equal to ten Hiroshimas
!00 Hiroshima bombs (GreenPeace)
1000 Hiroshima bombs
Radiation equivalent to 400 HiroshimasChernobyl: Life in the Dead Zone (part 1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud33w26qsWQ&feature=related
Chernobyl: Life in the Dead Zone (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnHwLGuNUio&NR=1
Chernobyl: Life in the Dead Zone (part 3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnHwLGuNUio&NR=1
Chernobyl: Life in the Dead Zone (part 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwAVSTWiYE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5is1Jrp9f0&feature=related
Pripyat panorama Post Nuclear Landscape
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 5:15pm |
Mary, I now have heard of these pills for radiation several times. Despite having worked in radiated areas i.e. just doing routine x-ray procedures etc. we never really talked about this. When our badge went max- that was it for our x-ray days. How effective are these pills? Say you were in West Virginia maybe Charleston- and they nuked D.C. or New York? Maybe a few 100 megaton bombs brought in on a boat. You are in a small town doing your thing while everyone in West Virginia oblivious to the nuke of New York, you and your spouse and child are at a chili fest. Would you be protected? How about the child? Med |
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Posted: November 03 2009 at 6:49pm |
100 Megaton Bombs haven't been made in 40+ years as they have been proven to be a waste of resources for the damage they do. The average Russian Nuke is now .4 Megatons. Terrorist bombs would be a tiny fraction that size. You'll never see anything even remotely close to a 100 Megaton detonation as they don't exist anymore. The 100 megaton bomb that was built weighed 54,000 pounds. If detonated at full yield it would send a shockwave breaking windows 1000 miles away. The Fireball would climb over 200,000 feet and be visible for over 1,000 miles so Mary would know about it :) Potassium Iodide (KI) is used to prevent thyroid cancer but it's not going to help with other avenues of radiation sickness. If it was a ground detonation it would toss endless tons of radioactive dirt into the atmosphere. The radioactive dust would fall downwind in a rather narrow pattern and Potassium Iodide would be effective for the downwind fallout to prevent thyroid cancer but without several feet of shielding the radiation is still going to kill you. Learn the 7:10 Rule for Residual Radiation Decay if you want a much greater chance of surviving a nuclear war. So many people are prepped for the swine flu. If you were prepped for a Nuclear war you would also be completely prepped for the swine flu and endless other plagues and pandemics as you would have a clean room, stockpiles of food, water, medicine and the ability to isolate your family from contaminants including air filtration. |
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 5:04am |
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tech we still have city busters dont we?
those where fairly large if i remember right40/60 mega ton range ? been a long time seance i have read up on this subject.. |
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Posted: November 04 2009 at 6:21am |
They fazed them out many decades ago as they were almost impossible to maintain and launch. The effective damage is much greater if you break down warheads into many smaller yields. Nuclear Armed Countries did over 2,000 combined tests from 1945 until 1998 to figure out the most effective bang for the buck. Most Nukes now are .01 to 1.2 Megatons. We have some larger ones but nothing even remotely close to a 100 MegaTon Yield. |
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EU must help Ukraine to fight flu - PolandTue Nov 3, 2009 3:02pm EST
* Poland ups its H1N1 cases to 185, no deaths so far
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Tech, Just read your post from 11/3 @ 6:49pm. Can you educate us on air filtration for a clean room. What is needed and is it possible to do on previously construted homes. It would be great if builders would mention that option before construction. Are there businesses that retrofit them for homes? Hope you can help. I guess I can google "Clean Rooms" but, I think thats a whole new subject. I don't want to risk getting on the "list".
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