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  Quote Mary008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: CONGRESS > "SORTA Health Care" Bill?
    Posted: December 24 2009 at 4:24pm
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CONGRESS >   "SORTA Health Care" Bill?
 
 
 
 
 
Or the Best Health Care Bill?
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The Public Is Too Wrapped Up in xmas to Protest...  very crafty of CONGRESS
 
 
 
 
 
Ho Ho Ho ...    Merry Health Care
 
 
and too all a   (good Luck )
 
 
 
 
 American citizens and legal residents would be required to have health
 
insurance, or pay a fine.
 
 
For an  individual,
 
the fine would be $750 per year or 2
 
percent of household income, whichever is greater;
 
for a family,
 
the maximum fine would be $2,250 per year or 2 percent of household income.
 
The fines
 
would go into effect gradually, starting in 2014.
 
 
The House bill is similar, with
 
exemptions for certain low-income people.
 
 
(ahh...the low income... escape hatch...  once again no relief for the middle class)
 
 
 
They are trying to forge one Bill at this point....
 
 
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How the Senate Bill Would Change Healthcare
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By Rick Newman , On Thursday December 24, 2009, 7:43 am EST
 
 
 
Senate negotiators will next meet with their counterparts in the House--which passed its own $894 billion bill in November--to work out the differences and try to forge one bill that Congress can present to President Obama.
 
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  Quote Mary008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2009 at 9:41pm
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This is what Dave has to say...
 
 
Dave - Thursday December 24, 2009 02:32PM EST

Let me get this straight. We just passed a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes, with funding to be administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What possibly could go wrong?

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The congressional representatives seem to be so out of touch with reality.   It is certainly time to clean the plate and dispose of all.  We certainly couldnt do worse with a whole new batch.
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For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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I think the last great president has been dead for so long that only historians have a glimmer of a memory of what that really means.
 
Originally posted by Trashcanman

For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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  Quote Mahshadin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2009 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by Trashcanman

For all the feces they talked about Bush, Bush was none of that. Bush was the last great President. The OJ jury has taken over quite litterally. But in the end he got his...
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You Have Got To Be Kidding Me (Bush was the last great President)
 

Have ytou been living in a fantasy world or is this just a cruel joke!
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  Quote Graywolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 4:10am
How soon we forget lol
Something wicked these way comes!!
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  Quote Trashcanman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 8:57am
In the bigger picture of the future, Bush was the last of the AMERICAN PATRIATE Presidents. ALL of whom were great. The white house is now infected with something far worse than any virus ever posted on this site. Your ideology is viral, contageous and deadly and wrong... Greatness in Presidencies is not about you it is abot us.
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  Quote Mahshadin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 10:51am
Self Fullfilling Prophecy Them
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Bush was *NOT* great aside from his work with AIDS in Africa and the successful regime change in Iraq. His plan for Social Security would have been highly beneficial too. He may have been a patriot (<--- proper spelling) but great? The jury's still out on that one

Just about everything else Bush did was a disaster.

Barack Obama has been an unmitigated disaster in every possible category, and doesn't seem to be letting off the streak one bit. I'm everyday simply astounded at what comes out of that idiot's mouth.

This healthcare deal is a NECESSARY debate, but the change that's being force fed to the American people is not the change the people wanted. If the Democrats were so worried about healthcare insurance costs they'd have removed the limitations the government has imposed on insurance competition across state lines. The government is specifically responsible for the high costs of healthcare and insurance. There is no way in hell that a government bureaucrat is going to do a better job of deciding what's best for your health than your personal doctor.

This healthcare deal is about control, plain and simple. There is a provision in the bill that requires every American to purchase health insurance under penalty of felony imprisonment if they don't pay the federally imposed fine! I'm at a complete loss as to where in any Constitution there is a provision where the government can force anyone to purchase anything they may or may not want to purchase. There are people that are actually talking about armed resistance when law enforcement comes to arrest them for not purchasing insurance. That's scary as hell! The day I'm told to enforce that law will be the same day my badge will be on the Sheriff's desk. I vowed to uphold the Constitution, not uphold what a fascist president and his Liberal goons tell me to. This bill is the single most unconstitutional piece of garbage since the Patriot act.

This is the base problem with Liberalism's "Big Brother knows best" attitude. They want to guide your life as they see fit, not as you yourself do. Granted this knife cuts both way, the hardline Republicans are just as bad, but they're not the ones making the laws, are they?
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  Quote Mary008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 1:41pm

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Does this mean you are looking for a Third Party to nominate from next time around?
 
 
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Just about everything else Bush did was a disaster.

Barack Obama has been an unmitigated disaster
 
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  Quote Turboguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 2:07pm
Originally posted by Mary008

Does this mean you are looking for a Third Party to nominate from next time around?
 


Maybe if they had a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Something like a common sense party that would be for small government, extreme civil rights, fiscal responsibility, and not trying to force everyone else to live their lives the way they dictate. I just say leave people alone, but that's not what either party is about anymore.

The Democrats are pretty much big government Socialists/Communists and the Republicans either should sit with the big government Democrats or they're religious fanatics that want to force everyone to live by the screwed up doctrines their respective religion dictates.

I say that the people should be able to do whatever they damn well please as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's ability to do whatever they want. My views fall very much as a strong Libertarian, but that party is too stupid to hide their wackjobs like the Democrats were doing up until last year when they took power and subsequently abused it and showed their true colors and the Republicans do regularly. 

I'm pro rights, pro women's rights, (Yes I'm pro choice) pro gay rights, but I believe that instead of pushing the gay agenda trying to get the church to accept gay marriage, which is exactly what gay marriage is about, they should have the government only view civil unions be they man-man, man-woman, woman-woman and since marriage is a religious institution, only the church can sanctify it. I'm pro gun (Obviously, it's in the Constitution).

Did I cover it all?
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  Quote Mary008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 3:07pm
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:)    Does that mean you'll run?
 
 
 
Will Congress do the Right Thing?
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... It's hard for people between 55 and 65 to get insurance on their own - and when they
 
lose their jobs (or if their spouse provided insurance and s/he retires), they can find
 
themselves uninsured just when they start having serious medical problems and
 
worrisome medical bills. 

So, from a public policy point of view, I like the idea of a Medicare "buy in" for people 55
 
and over who don't have access to employer-based (or other) health insurance.
 
 
 
 
 
 

This could make it all more acceptable to many...
 

..."Under the new Medicare plan, consumers ages 55 to 64 would for the first time be
 
allowed to buy into the federal program for the elderly, starting as soon as 2011.
 
Congressional aides estimate that two million to three million people would participate."
 
The element of this bill that is most interesting is not the creation of the NFP private
 
insurance company overseen by the federal Office of Personnel Management.
 
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  Quote Turboguy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2009 at 6:03pm
I'm not a millionaire and I'm not bribable to go against what I stand for, nor am I a politically connected harumphing Fudd or an avowed Socialist. I stand for common sense so I'm pretty much exactly what both the Republicans *AND* the Democrats are against: a Free Thinker.
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