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    Posted: January 31 2012 at 6:33am

Interesting.  The dead swans tested positive for avian flu, however federal authorities says it's low path, although they wouldn't discuss the exact strain.  Now, when swans actually die, that's usually how they define "high path".   By virtue of them not naming the strain, and the swans dying of avian flu, I would call it typical misinformation and b.s.  The bottom line, if the crap ever hits the fan, expect the gov't to mislead.   4 swans died of avian flu, but the other 8 dead tested negative.  Low path?  Good grief. 

 
 
 
WESTBORO --  A battery of tests by state and federal inspectors on a dozen swan carcasses found in a local pond revealed that four of the dead birds tested positive for avian influenza.

The low-pathogenic, or relatively mild, avian influenza the birds had does not pose a threat to human health, state officials said.

The state Department of Energy and Environmental Affairs and the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Wildlife Services collected the carcasses from Mill Pond after a local resident reported seeing them floating near the shore in December.

Reginald Zimmerman, spokesman for the Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, said the four birds tested positive for low-pathogenic avian influenza.

"That is fairly common in water fowl here," Mr. Zimmerman said. "This means they could have been exposed to it, or at the end of it, but I have to stress there is no human risk."

Mr. Zimmerman said the remaining eight birds tested came back negative for avian influenza and tests could not determine what caused their deaths.

Alan P. Silvestry, a Maynard Street resident, first noted many dead swans while he was walking the trail system that meanders around the water. The area is near the headwaters of the Assabet River, and is usually populated by Canada geese. He reported the deaths to the Division of Fisheries & Wildlife on Rabbit Hill Road, and investigators removed about a dozen carcasses for testing.

Investigators from the Division of Fisheries & Wildlife were working with the U.S. Department of Agriculture to test the animals.

Mr. Zimmerman said no further testing will be done on the carcasses, and at this point, no further investigation will be done at Mill Pond.
 
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Relatively mild and yet deadly low path - that's an interesting contradiction of terms. I don't get it - they know it's low path but they're playing dumb on the strain? Based on four deaths, it's not low path, and why were the others dead but testing negative? I guess they'll keep us hanging on the exact strain, if they go public at all. Would they be completely honest if it turned out to be H5N1, I wonder?
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The article did not say it wasn't H5N1, therefore i'm inclinded to believe it is.  Once they determine it's H5N1, they then have to determine if its low path h5n1 or high path, and that is based solely off the mortality rate.  Since low path rarely kills, they made a bad call on this.  They simply stamped it low path, and said have a nice day.  No more testing on the rest.  HPAI H5N1 has arrived. 
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Truly pathetic.  4 of them die of avian flu, 8 others that died came back negative.  Since there were a total of 16 dead, what about testing the other 4?  Maybe should not do that because if  they came back as a/i positive than it's high path.  Bettter to stop the testing early and close the case.  Confused
 
Like i said before, this is all somewhat telling in a severe situation.
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 Rather large list of poultry farms in MA.  Wink

 
 
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HI ALLWink
 
25000 ducks killed  in Victoria, Australia,last week because of "low path "h5n1,exports banned,
 
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The u.s. wont do that.  Although they may have to soon.  In the other countries it leads to mass slaughter.  Here, act like the Chinese until the last minute.   The way it works, low path hits chickens and then becomes *high path*, which is why low path is a threat.  Now, in our case, it's high path so what difference should it make.   
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Tyson et al call the shots here, so culls will be last ditch after they've exhausted all attempts at a cover up. And you're exactly right, Albert. Lo path always becomes hi path with enough chickens to pass through, and we have more than enough in unsecured sheds across the country. Whether we start with hi path or lo path - the end result is pretty much the same thanks to intensive (and inherently unsafe) farming practices.
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HI ALL
 
the big big big problem is that no country wants it to start in their backyard, so best to say "we
 
 dont have a problem" and hope it break's out somewhere else,thta's my take on it
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Either way you slice it, avian flu in swans is bad news.   Migratory birds.   Life could somewhat change soon if we see a mass die off of poultry in the near future, 
 
They determined that it's A/I, but won't name the strain?  And then say case closed?   Fortunately the purpose of this watch dog site is to make sure these things don't happen.  I certainly hope it dies out or this thread is really going to shed light on the chain events from the start.  We never let these things go.  Wink
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High Path   Low Path
 
Do we know how they are testing for this now??
 
Or is it stil infect 10 chickens once you have it isolated and reproduced then if 6 or more  die its High Path.
 
Used to be able to get this info and AI updates through HEDDS and NBII but both have been closed down in budget cuts.
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The "only" difference between H5N1 HPAI and LPAI is the mortality rate.  Nothing more nothing less, with H5N1.  Dead swans by Avian flu, well, is a bad sign.   Migratory.  Dead swans test positive for a/i but they don't name the subtype?   They better hope it doesn't ignite since they're under a spotlight.  
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HI ALL
 
a meeting has been called by WHO in Geneva next week ,between 20/ 50 selected (depends what news you read) 
 
experts will go into a confidential meeting to discuss H5N1 and research into the virus
 
i think they worried !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HI
 
Japan,Vietnam,hong kong,and Singapore have banned ducks from the state of Victoria(Australia)
 
because of recent "lo-path"h5n1 outbreak,after which 25000 ducks where desrtoyed
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Outbreak of bird flu suspected in Shillong
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SHILLONG, Feb 10 – Taking no chances, the Veterinary department here today sent blood samples of dead pigeons which were found in Keating Road locality in the State capital here over the past few days.

The Veterinary department said that the blood samples were sent to the Regional Research and Diagnostic Laboratory (RR&DL) based in Assam and the results of the samples would be received soon. However, the unnatural death of the pigeons has sparked speculation about the outbreak of bird flu.

The district authorities, meanwhile, said that no restriction on consumption of poultry products has been imposed in the district without knowing the exact cause of the avians’ death.

But a general alert has been sounded along a radius of seven kilometres where the birds were found dead and strict surveillance is being maintained.

The district rapid response team has been asked to move in if outbreak of bird flu is confirmed by the lab.

β€œWe have sent the blood samples to RR&DL and we are awaiting the results of the report and only then we would take a decision,” Prashant Naik, principal secretary, Animal Husbandry and Veterinary, said.

In East Garo Hills, outbreak of bird flu led to authorities culling about 6,538 birds. Besides, 9,157 eggs and more than 800 kg of feeds were destroyed in 21 villages in East Garo Hills earlier this month.

PTI adds: Eighteen days after culling of bird-flu affected poultry ended in Meghalaya’s East Garo Hills, residents of Keating Road here and government officials were in a tizzy after more than 100 pigeons died in the past one week.

State Veterinary officials rushed to the spot yesterday to pick up the dead birds for sampling and to make aware the residents of possible bird-flu virus afflicting the birds. β€œWe have rushed veterinary doctors to Keatinge Road locality to initiate remedial measures and to take samples of the dead birds for testing,” State Veterinary Director L Lyngwa said.

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They've had mass die offs of crows across India in the past few months with tests showing H5N1 in some of those tested, tens of thousands of chickens dying or being culled because of HPAI outbreaks, and now this not long after human deaths in Indonesia were attributed to infected pigeons. This is especially worrying as pigeons used to be all but immune to H5N1 - even artificially inoculating them in a lab didn't work. In as little as two weeks they were virus free, and even while infected they shed virus at such low levels that they weren't even contagious to chickens, an extremely susceptible host. It seems the strain that jumped from ducks to poultry and mutated to a hi path form before moving back into ducks is continuing to infect new species despite our attempts to halt it's spread around the globe.
The virus is shed in large amounts in bird feces, but because most of us don't have a lot of contact with poultry, exposure by that route is rare in developed countries. That changes with the possibility of pigeons being thrown into the mix - think about how much of their poop we see in urban settings every day and imagine it potentially loaded with H5N1.
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yes i only found out recently about  how dangerous the  PIGION equation is, scary will post somthing even more scary if i can find it again ,regarding "COVER UP'S "
 
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HIMALAYAN NEWS SERVICE

ITAHARI: The technical team tasked with inspecting bird flu-infested poultry farms in Sunsari has conceded that it did not bother to inspect part of the PK Poultry in Itahari when its proprietor Nirmal Shrestha insisted that rest of his farm is free of inspection. According to Dr Bolraj Acharya, acting chief of the regional livestock directorate and part of the team, the team found dead chickens during its second visit to the farm. He conceded that samples of the chicken were found to be infected during the tests conducted at the regional laboratory in Biratnagar.

Acharya said they have sent the samples to the central lab in Kathmandu for confirmation. The negligence of the team has local people furious. The locals have demanded that a competent team be sent for inspection. Dr Acharya denied that the team had acted in the interest of the poultry farm owners.

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Good find, Carbon. Yet more collusion between officials charged with keeping the public safe, and poultry producers.
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The sad reality is that Low Path flu, being an RNA virus can mutate at any time into a high path flu.  It can kill all of the birds in an isolated flock and then disappear as long as it does not pass to any other bird.

We have had Low Path H5N1 in North American (And obviously South America as well though we do not routinely test there.) as far back as we have been able to test for Avian Flu.  We in the United States have several recorded instances where Low Path became High Path for a brief period, so we know it happens.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

Relatively mild and yet deadly low path - that's an interesting contradiction of terms. I don't get it - they know it's low path but they're playing dumb on the strain? Based on four deaths, it's not low path, and why were the others dead but testing negative? I guess they'll keep us hanging on the exact strain, if they go public at all. Would they be completely honest if it turned out to be H5N1, I wonder?
I can only figure that the swans were stressed because it was winter and the Low Path Avian Influenza added to that stress and it was an overload on their systems.

Remember Avian Influenza lives in the intestines of the birds.  When infected their digestive tract is red and raw from the cells lining it being killed by the virus.  When this happens in Winter the birds can not digest enough nutrients to keep their bodies going.

A human example would be Karen Carpenter denying herself nutrition to the point that her heart simply gave out.  Either that example or that of a human with dysentery who gets so weak that their heart quits.  Our hearts are an engine that runs on sugar.

No sugar = no heart beat.
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Could be, Joe. I wonder if they'll go public with the strain?
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