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    Posted: July 21 2014 at 6:07am
Well here's a little twist.... I suppose everything revolves around pandemic flu viruses these days. Don't shoot the messenger on this one, lol.

MH17 Hauled Gruesome Cargo
In Infected Corpses And Tainted Blood

By Yoichi Shimatsu
7-19-14


In these still early hours following the mystery crash of MH17, one must dare to think the unthinkable. An investigator goes to where the evidence leads, and the evidence so far from the crash site indicates a hellish scenario beyond imagining.
 
Besides the nearly 300 passengers aboard the ill-fated Malaysian Airlines, the plane’s cargo bay was loaded with dozens of infected corpses drained of their blood and countless packets of possibly virus-contaminated blood serum, according to the local eyewitnesses, first-arrivers at the crash site in the Donetsk region along Ukraine-Russia borderlands.
 
The gruesome finding points irrefutably to Malthusian skulduggery at the highest levels of the World Health Organization (WHO) in sponsoring a covert biological warfare program against the population of Asia. A systematic investigation is now required to uncover the deadliest plot against humanity in modern history. The more predictable outcome, unfortunately, is likely to be a cover-up on an unprecedented scale to protect the globalist elite from scrutiny, legal prosecution and justice.
 
The blatant violation of international laws for transporting infectious agents indicates a criminal intent in their use at destination. IATA, the watchdog agency for air travel, strictly controls and registration rules in the conveyance of corpses and infectious substances due to the dangers of accidental spillage or deliberate biowarfare. The WHO also imposes tight reporting rules for physical transfer of materials between laboratories, and is therefore now caught in flagrante delicto violating its own rules.
 
The notable failure by the Israeli-controlled Amsterdam-Schiphol Airport customs clearance, in addition to the WHO and IATA, to warn emergency crews and investigators at the crash site of the epidemic danger proves that the gruesome cargo was transported illegally without registration. The UN and WHO are directly implicated in this covert transfer of biowarfare agents in the cargo hold, accompanying some 100 of their top virus researchers, staff members and NGO supporters in the passenger cabin.
 
Pity the first responder
 
According to rebel commander Igor Girson, who goes by the nom de guerre Strelkov, as quoted by AP, reported that local villagers who rushed to the crash scene found “a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh.” The first-responders also said the corpses had been drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.
 
Could the cadavers have been air-freighted for simple anatomy classes? That is a freshman question. Paying air-cargo fees to send bodies to Asia is more of a financial loss than sending coals to Newcastle. There is no shortage of fresh John Does on ice from places like the Philippines. Drained of blood and reeking from decay, the corpses can be nothing other than carriers of an infectious disease.
 
Decomposed cadavers and tainted blood exposed to wind, soil and ground water pose a present and clear threat to public health for millions of people across Ukraine, western Russia and the countries of the Black Sea, including Moldova, Turkey and even as far as Greece. A regional warning needs to be issued, but none is forthcoming, not when the WHO is implicated while its executives, the hidden elitist sponsors of genocide, scramble for the cover of respectability. These reprobates nestled in the medical bureaucracy are far  ;worse than ordinary war criminals.
 
A hair’s breadth from worst case
 
In a worst-case scenario, and the facts thus far point to a hair’s breadth short of worst case, the MH17 crash on the Ukraine-Russian borderlands could have been the start of a real World War Z. Conversely the shoot-down could have been an act of twisted heroism in a desperate last-minute strike to prevent biological warfare on a global scale.
 
One question logically raised is whether the transport of infected corpses and tainted blood to host countries can be a standard feature of the UNAIDS conferences. Serving as a medical-science reporter with The University of Hong Kong press, I reported extensively on UNAIDS 2001 in that that city and visited the top research university laboratories. I can attest that bodies and blood samples were not obtained as part of the proceedings, and precautionary procedures for the sharing of tiny bits of samples were always followed to  a tee.
 
The WHO was shipping its “zombie” passengers for a criminal purpose, very possibly genocide on a wide scale, perhaps continental. Blood-drained corpses are the stuff of horror movies, but this nightmare arose from one of the busiest airports of “civilized” Europe, and one controlled by ITCS, a security company linked from its inception to the Israeli Mossad.
 
Mad Scientists with renewed support from above
 
A reason for concern, early in this investigation, is the fact that The Netherlands, the origin of of Flight 17, is the center for the engineering of weaponized viruses under Ron Fouchier, the closest research associate of the notorious Japanese influenza expert Yoshihiro Kawaoka. The flu-research center at Eramus Medical University in Rotterdam is the sister-laboratory of Kawaoka’s Institute of Infectious Virus Research at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
 
The deadly duo’s pseudo-scientific research includes the “perfection” of a Spanish flu virus that killed of 20 million victims worldwide in 1918-19. Kawaoka recently boasted that nothing can stop his newest variant of H5N1, the avian influenza virus. Fouchier’s fanatic disciples, meanwhile, have been weaponizing the H7N9 bird-flu virus that killed more than 40 people in China. (Weaponization involves three objectives, first, to hasten the ability of a virus to spread, that is, to be more contagious; second, to increase its lethality;  and third, to develop an antidote available only to the chosen few.)
 
Kawaoka and Fouchier are not mad scientists working on the fringe, they are accredited researchers with powerful funding support. Two years agi, the twin labs received a massive boost in funding from unidentified sources funneled through department budgets despite vociferous objections from other scientists as to the unstoppable risks.
 
The patrons of the deadly research includes the chairman of the Eramus University trustee board, Anton Van Rossum, a former executive with Solvay, the Belgium chemical producer that illegally provided sarin-gas components to the Israeli biowarfare program aboard an El Al jetliner that crashed in Amsterdam. The El Al flight hit a crowded apartment block, soon after takeoff from Schiphol Airport, which also is the takeoff point for MH17.
 
Aboard that El Al flight was a shipment of an RNA-based bioweapon known as mycoplasm, which replicates in water (for example, inside the human lungs) and is suspected to have been used in the two Gulf Wars against Iraq. Bioweapons, Solvay, Israeli, Schiphol, ICTS and Boeing are the common denominators between 1992 El Al crash and the 2014 Malaysia Airlines disaster
 
Preventative action at tragic cost
 
If the world can still believe in “heroes in white armor” or at least bad guys with a grain of common sense under their black hats, a Hollywood-type disaster script emerges from this real-life action flick. Before the zombie cargo escapes Europe to launch World War Z in Asia, top generals with NATO and the Russian command decide that the payload must be stopped at any cost. The passenger casualties tragic as they are, the loss of billions of innocent lives in an unstoppable global pandemic must be prevented.< /span>
 
Indeed, an independent technical analysis of the video clips from the crash site, by a retired CIA crash expert, confirms just such a scenario:
 
- the metal fuselage of the Boeing-777 shows no traces of deep and long scratch marks from the steel balls delivered in the warhead of a Buk ground-to-air missile;
- The starboard (right-wing) jet engine was badly damaged and caught fire, pointing to a hit by a smaller air-to-air missile launched from a fighter interceptor, flying at about the same altitude; and
- the midsection was “blown outward and not inward,” indicating a bomb blast inside the cargo bay.
 
The expert observations, when assembled, shows that a NATO interceptor fired a heat-seeking missile at a jet engine, triggering a fire. The flames were expected to move up the fuel lines inside the wing to set fire to the plane and incinerate all contents, especially the infected corpses and blood packets.
 
The midair disinfection plan came undone when a bomb hidden inside the cargo bay by the Israelis, timed to explode at Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) to spread biowarfare agents after all the passengers debarked safely, instead heated up and burst midair. The bomb blast blew out the on-board fire before the cargo was torched. The plane plummeted to the ground with the biowarfare agents and corpses intact.
 
World’s military commanders dread biowarfare
 
President Vladimir Putin, out of character, did not react forcefully to the accusations of a Russian role in the shoot-down, indicating military commands of NATO and Russia are on the same page in their determination to stop the Israeli-inspired, WHO-backed bioweapons attack against the world population. The other question now, besides decontamination, is: How to track down and punish the perpetrators and planners who were not aboard MH17?
 
The Ukrainian side, which lacks any of the intelligence professionalism required for these sorts of code-red operations, bungled their version of events and clumsily imposed a communications blackout over the control tower at Kiev Airport. Preventing global genocide is not a task for Cub Scouts out to protect their petty national interests. Imperial powers are far more astute at the deadly game, which is why they are empires and mere nations.
 
The threat of World War Z is not over, not when Ukrainians and Russians are being exposed to the unleashed viruses that defy inoculation with vaccines. Trained biowarfare experts in safety suits should collect the evidence and torch the bodies in a mobile plasma incinerator. By the time the clean-up is finished, Eastern Ukraine could end up as uninhabited as the central Congo after WHO teams eliminated all potential carriers of ebola.
 
Evil never quits
 
The world’s population has practically zero awareness of the well-hidden strategists who plan and order annihilation of entire regions, as has been happening with the ebola campaign and AIDS in Central Africa, or the Factor VIII HIV-tainted blood propagation to the war-torn Balkans and Japan under the Clinton and Bush administrations. This summer another brazen biowarfare attack was within a razor’s edge of exterminating Malaysians and millions of other Asians.
 
War on a global scale is no longer fought in trenches, but waged in laboratories, airports, city centers, hospitals, senior homes and schools.It is not called total war, it is simply known as global policy. As a footnote, it should be noted that Professor Kawaoka is a graduate of Kobe University, and that port city is the traditional center for veterans of Unit 731, which unleashed plague and hanta virus against entire cities in World War II. The WHO is the successor to Unit 731, and so WWZ is upon us.< /span>
 
Yoichi Shimatsu is a science writer, who organized public health seminars during the SARS and avian influenza outbreaks in Hong Kong and Bangkok.  He was the lead investigative journalist in the 1995 Tokyo subway gassing and subsequent terrorist threats against Japan’s nuclear reactors. His article on the Amsterdam crash of an El Al cargo jet loaded with bioweapons, sarin and war-grade plutonium follows this article.

Dutch Suspect Covert 1992
Nuke Weapon Transfer to Israel

by Yoichi Clark Shimatsu


(PNS) AMSTERDAM -- The Dutch Parliament is just this month holding public hearings to determine vital facts about an October, 1992 airplane accident.

The El Al Boeing 747 crashed into an apartment building in Bijlmeer, a suburb of Amsterdam, killing 39 people on the ground and four aboard the plane. It was carrying a secret cargo that included the main chemical ingredients for the nerve gas sarin as well as depleted uranium. Dutch journalists allege it was carrying weapons-grade plutonium as well.
As many as 2,000 local residents and firemen have reported health complaints that they attribute to the crash. Many report loss of hair in the weeks after the crash, a sign of radiation disease.
 
Possibly nuclear weapons technology being illegally shipped from U.S. to Israel

The hearings at The Hague follow six years of investigation by Dutch journalists Vincent Dekker and Pierre Heyboer with the Volkskrant newspaper. The most important witnesses will not be present, however -- officials of the Bush administration.

The flight stopped at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport for refueling en route from New York to Tel Aviv. On October 4 last year, the sixth anniversary of the crash, Dutch transport ministry leaked to a newspaper an El Al bill of landing that shows the plane was carrying 190 liters of dimethy methylphosphonate (DMMP), four liters of isopropanol and an undisclosed amount of hydroflouric acid.
The chemicals were being sent to a super-secret weapons facility, called the Israel Institute of Biological Research (IIBR) south of Tel Aviv.

The Israeli government has claimed that the chemicals were intended for testing gas masks. But most military services use only a few grams for such purposes. The chemicals aboard the El Al jet were enough to produce 270 kilograms of sarin nerve gas -- enough to annihilate the populations of many major cities.

The sarin components came from the Solkatronics chemical plant in Morrisville, Pennsylvania, then owned by Solvay, a chemical corporation based in Brussels, Belgium. International transport of such materials is a violation of the Chemical Weapons Treaty, signed by the U.S.

The El Al jet also carried at least 800 kilograms of depleted uranium (DU), used as ballast to balance the jet's cargo. Burned DU releases uranium dust, which is known to cause lung cancer and other diseases.

Dutch authorities and El Al admit Flight LY1862 carried sarin components and DU, but refuse to provide details on six tons of military cargo. According to airport security personnel, the plane carried seven pallets of unspecified munitions.

Journalist Dekker claims, on the basis of leaks from Dutch officials, that the jet carried 27 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium, enough to make seven warheads the size of the bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki in 1945.

In addition, soil samples taken at the crash site have turned up evidence suggesting that nuclear weapons technology was being illegally shipped from the U.S. to Israel.

The El Al jet landed and took off at Schiphol, one of the world's busiest civilian airports, and flew across the most densely populated area of Europe. If 27 kilograms of plutonium had bounced into the burning wreckage, nearly all of Western Europe would have faced a nuclear emergency bigger than the Chernobyl accident.

Dutch and Israeli authorities apparently organized a cover-up. Most documents taken from El Al officials have disappeared. Police audio tapes and 42 videotapes taken by the firefighters were shredded. Firemen claimed that they turned in the cockpit voice recorder, or "black box," but the government denies that it was ever found. Metal parts from the wreckage were recycled and melted down before a proper investigation could begin.

Residents report seeing helicopters, painted black and without markings, landing in their neighborhood. Others tell of a French-speaking team searching the area, and a group of men speaking English, some clad in white chemical protective suits, carrying a heavy box covered with a white cloth.

The Dutch authorities have denied that these events ever happened.

Journalists say Dutch security officials have told them that the Netherlands has allowed Israel to make secret military air shipments through Schiphol since the 1950s. The shipments apparently are outside the Atlantic Alliance military treaties because the aircraft going to Israel are not refueled at NATO air bases but at the commercial airport of Schiphol.

"Schiphol has become a hub for secret weapons transfers because El Al has special status there. Dutch authorities have no jurisdiction over Israeli activities at the airport," said Henk van der Belt, a member of an investigation team set up by Bijlmeer residents.

Every Sunday at sundown, an El Al cargo plane stops at Schiphol, refueling midway on the long journey between New York and Tel Aviv. All Israel-bound cargo is put inside a vacuum chamber in an underground bunker to test it for bombs equipped with altimeter triggers. But the flight does not appear on any airport video monitors -- there is not even an El Al check-in counter. Documents for air freight to Israel are handled inside an unmarked room.

A photo taken just before the 1992 accident showed that the engine of the El Al jet was off-center, indicating it was previously damaged.

Airport workers in Cologne, Germany, where the jet refueled on its way to New York, say the plane collided with an airport ground vehicle there. In other words, the cargo jet loaded with U.S.-made sarin, uranium and plutonium could have crashed in New York but it turned out to be a time-bomb flying to the heart of Europe.

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Albert,is it possible that any of the blood pathogens or viruses could have survived the crash.Johnray1
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I didn't even finish reading it.
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Apparently two of the corpses got up and started walking around.  One was seen chewing on a piece of landing gear.  Smile

Hi Johnray,  I'm not sure what to make of it. 
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Bodies Rained Down On Ukrainian Village After Malaysia Airlines Crash

By Anton Zverev

ROZSYPNE, Ukraine, July 18 (Reuters) - First came the loud explosion that made buildings rattle: then it started raining bodies.

One of the corpses fell through the rickety roof of Irina Tipunova's house in this sleepy village, just after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 exploded high over eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian separatists are fighting government forces.

"There was a howling noise and everything started to rattle. Then objects started falling out of the sky," the 65-year-old pensioner said in front of her grey-brick home.

"And then I heard a roar and she landed in the kitchen, the roof was broken," she said, showing the gaping hole made by the body when it came through the ceiling of the kitchen in an extension to the house.

The dead woman's naked body was still lying inside the house, next to a bed.

About 100 meters (330 feet) from Tipunova's home, dozens more dead bodies lay in the wheat fields where the airliner came down on Thursday, killing all 298 people on board.

Still visibly shaken by her experience, Tipunova said: "The body's still here because they told me to wait for experts to come and get it."

Another local resident in her 20s who refused to give her name said she ran outside after hearing the plane explode.

"I opened the door and I saw people falling. One fell in my vegetable patch," she said.


RED ROSE AND PLASTIC SHEETS

It was not only bodies that fell from the sky. Chunks of metal, pieces of luggage and other debris came crashing down to the ground in this agricultural area about 40 km (25 miles) from the border with Russia.

The front of the plane fell in a field of sunflowers about one km (1000 yards) from Tipunova's home. Debris, bodies and body parts were scattered for miles around.

Rescue workers say they have found most of the corpses, some of them largely intact, others mangled. Some have been piled together but others lie where they fell, the place identified by sticks placed in the ground with white cloth attached.

Some of the corpses have been wrapped in almost transparent plastic sheets, the corners held down with small mounds of soil or stones. Pairs of uncovered legs poke out from under some of the sheets, and at least one had a red carnation on top.

Among the dead were many women and children, including a boy of about 10 still lying beside the cockpit, his small body covered by a plastic sheet.

Much of the scene was in chaos 24 hours after the plane was brought down. Abandoned shoes lay all around, with boxes of tablets that spilled out of a medical cabinet, empty suitcases and articles of clothing strewn over the fields.

In an effort to clean up some of the carnage, body parts have been washed off the pot-holed road where they fell to the earth, along with parts of the fuselage and wings showing the red and blue Malaysia Airlines logo.

Emergency workers, few in numbers on Thursday, had arrived in force by Friday, setting up base in two large tents. Journalists and local residents wandered largely unimpeded through the ashes and charred wreckage.

Rebel fighters in combat fatigues watched the proceedings nervously. Kiev has accused them of shooting down the plane, but they have denied this and are pledging not to prevent an international investigation going ahead.

The constant sound of mortar fire and shooting in the distance served as a reminder of the conflict raging between the separatist rebels and the government forces who are trying to quell their three-month old revolt against rule from Kiev. (Writing by Timothy Heritage; Editing by Peter Graff)

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This cannot be real ......... can it?
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I would say the Onion. But then it also sounds like an honest attempt at disinformation/deflection. If 5% of the people buy it or even are influenced then the author will have accomplished much.

I can see how he took what is known and thought to be known and ran with it.

There were (false) reports from the beginning of previously dead bodies (cadavers) falling from the sky. Drained of blood? Why? Because the bomb was inside one and the blood could short circuit the electronics. Dumb but theoretically possible.

So whoever wrote the story is in cahoots with the ones who shot it down. In other words, the makings of this story is rooted with the claims of previously deceased bodies falling. The story is a continuation of those false claims, therefore tied to it and the perpetrators. I would arrest the author.
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I heard they torched the entire crash site.  Burp
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Quite honestly, I wonder if they did have corpses on that plane, or is Rense a scam? And the WHO personnell on board the flight?  If that were the actual case, I might for a second, but only a second, scratch my head over that.   Rense could be scam site, and I personally have no prob spreading the word about it. 


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Might be a satire site. There was a rumor going around that 112 people in Chicago were killed by teenagers reenacting The Purge 2. That got debunked by various news sites though, it originated from an obscure satire site.  Looking into the site, and it's ran by a man who discusses conspiracy theories and lives in Santa Barbara.
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I don't drink at all. Never did. I'm like this all the time. Maybe I should.

Maybe they are the people from the missing Malaysian flight?
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These people have been watching "The Strain"! Same story line. I heard on NPR today that the Ukraine Air Force shot the plane down. Look the Russians and their Minions in the Ukraine are going to try any other story to keep themselves out of trouble. Disinformation is the best way to keep the true story from Russian responsibility of killing all of these people with a missile.
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One time I saw a special on TV about a plane crash in S. America. When people fall from that high up, they most always land naked on the ground because the wind rips their clothing off. So, the bodies being found naked is a normal thing for a plan crash such as this.

Since no one was at the site for several days, all the corpses would be rotting in the sun. I have problems believing that there were lots of dead corpses on that flight. It sounds like Putin just wants to obfuscate the entire issue.

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dead corpses?

could be worse
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The train with the bodies of the victims of this air-disaster just arrived in Charkow, Easter Ukraine under pro-western government control. There to bodies will be loaded on an Australian plane and brought to the Netherlands for further identification. 

In the Netherlands priority number 1 is reuniting family's with their loved ones. 
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I posted a link on Facebook to a Gizmodo story about someone at the the Russian State run broadcasting company editing the Wikipedia entry about MH17, and a friend accused me of being one of the sheeple and buying into "western propaganda". I guess it's a sore point because his wife's Russian, but what cracked me up was that he repeated the story Albert started this thread with and he obviously believes it to be true. He can't see someone in the Russian government editing Wikipedia, but he believes the plane was carrying decomposing bodies drained of blood and all the other nonsense. And I'm one of the sheeple...

Incidentally, there is a Vice news video on YouTube of bodies in the fields surrounding the crash site, and locals talking about the aftermath of the crash. I won't post a link out of respect for those who lost loved ones, but rest assured it's pretty graphic and very depressing. Here's the link to the Gizmodo article though -

http://gizmodo.com/a-tweetbot-caught-the-russian-govt-editing-flight-mh17-1607483459?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin About the man that may have been behind the shooting down of this flight.
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The Ukraine side http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector with their "leader" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Yarosh held responsible for executions of Russians, just because they were Russian... both types you would not like as a neighbour. Sad to say it, but both have "support" from people you would not expect.
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They only recovered 280 bodies of the 298.  So there's still 119 unaccounted for.  100 zombies and 18 regulars. 
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Not even close to being funny.....
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Today at 16.00 hours there will be one minute of silence in the Netherlands in rememberence of those who have died and their families. The train that arrived in Charkov carried 200 bodies. The remains of 98 humans that were killed must be spread in the area. 

This day will be a day of mourning in our country. At 1600 hours a first plane with 15 bodies will land at Eindhoven airport. Further identification will be at a barracks at Hilversum near Amsterdam. 
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There seems to be growing evidence that the Ukrainian Army shot down the MH-17 flight. 


http://www.infowars.com/whistleblower-u-s-satellite-images-show-ukrainian-troops-shooting-down-mh17/  Award winning former Associated Press reporter Robert Parry has been told by an intelligence source that the United States is in possession of satellite imagery which shows that Ukrainian troops were responsible for the shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17.
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Robert Parry was also behind the story that "rebels" were behind gas-attacks in Syria. http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/

In the heat of the U.S. media’s latest war hysteria – rushing to pin blame for the crash of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet on Russia’s President Vladimir Putin – there is the same absence of professional skepticism that has marked similar stampedes on Iraq, Syria and elsewhere – with key questions not being asked or answered.

The dog-not-barking question on the catastrophe over Ukraine is: what did the U.S. surveillance satellite imagery show? It’s hard to believe that – with the attention that U.S. intelligence has concentrated on eastern Ukraine for the past half year that the alleged trucking of several large Buk anti-aircraft missile systems from Russia to Ukraine and then back to Russia didn’t show up somewhere.

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A more painfull question has to be, did Ukraine want to shoot down the plane with Putin on it on his way back from Brazil (BRICS-meeting were was decided that the BRICS-countries, and some others, would drop the US$ in international energy trade) and did "other countries"give "aid/information"? 

Malaysias oil company Petronas is working hard to get a pipeline towards China in an energy-war that is been going on. 
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I think Obama did it!
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No comment.
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Sensationalism! Yellow dog journalism! This crap was aired on Moscow TV last week...in just another outlandish conspiracy theory. Geez...the stuff people will believe!
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Albert,has there been any new diseases reported in the Ukraine or in Russia that could have come from the contaminated bodies or the vials of viruses?Johnray1
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-malaysian-airlines-mh17-crash-financial-warfare-against-russia-multibillion-dollar-bonanza-for-wall-street/5392614 foreknowledge of this crash could make someone very rich. 

I want to know who did this. Alex Jones is not a "Putin-loving-madman", Paul Craig Roberts does not want to become a Russian. Putin's youngest daughter Maria (born in Dresden in 1985) is married with a Dutchman and lives in a The Hague suburb. 

Russia has nothing to gain by shooting down this plane, the Ukraine has every thing to gain when they can blame the Russians (wich they understandable hate, since the Czars Russians treated Ukrainians as "second class"at best, Stalin (from Georgia not Russia) is responsible for the starvation of millions during the collectivication of agriculture in the thirties and the murder of thousends after the World War). 

Yulia Timosjenko wanted "to kill as many Russians as possible" to get them out of the Ukraine. Right Sector-nazi's would shoot Putins plane out of the air if they had a chance, and since they are fighting with the Ukrainian Army, they might have had a chance. 

Kiev Air Controll told MH17-flight were to fly, not the Russians. 
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http://www.infowars.com/is-this-why-the-plane-was-shot-down/  

The Russian government claims Ukrainian fighter jets were flying very close to Malaysian Flight 17 when it was shot down.  Others claim that Ukrainian fighter jets were escorting the Malaysian plane through Ukrainian airspace.

However, a Youtube video made a month before Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down alleges that Ukranian fighter jets were hiding behind passenger planes, pulling away temporarily, dropping bombs on Ukrainian separatists, and then hiding again behind the plane 

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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

They only recovered 280 bodies of the 298.  So there's still 119 unaccounted for.  100 zombies and 18 regulars. 

That's funny.
It was tragic. But that was funny.
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Guest,does any one know why they were carrying so many dead bodies and where did these bodies come from? Johnray1
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I read that there were about 100 HIV research scientist on board.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/18/mh17_aids_researcher_deaths/

Sad to think any noncombatants were killed. Worse in theory someone who could have been the cure for HIV may have been among those lost.
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I saw footage on Vice.
The bodies were clothed and none looked 'long dead' or drained. All looked recently deceased.
I would have expected to see burned remains. Did not see any.

Locals said they heard the plane explode before falling, but I don't remember seeing any signs of it.
I'd watch it again but... not something I want to see twice.


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Guest,the reports from the first patrol that found the plane crash site,reported bodies that were not not freshly dead. I do not know how smart the men on this patrol were,but most any soldier can tell a freshly dead body from a long dead body.The smell is tip off right away. These soldiers would have known this because their lives depend on them knowing this.Johnray1
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Apparently two of the corpses got up and started walking around.  One was seen chewing on a piece of landing gear.  Smile

Hi Johnray,  I'm not sure what to make of it. 


We won t shoot Albert but someone should. This is so far from your usual that I don't quite know what to make of it .....
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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

Guest,the reports from the first patrol that found the plane crash site,reported bodies that were not not freshly dead. I do not know how smart the men on this patrol were,but most any soldier can tell a freshly dead body from a long dead body.The smell is tip off right away. These soldiers would have known this because their lives depend on them knowing this.Johnray1

Where did you see that?
Debris landed in people's yards, on/in roofs etc. Those people were in the video.
HOWEVER, at the end of the report there was a Military official on camera with the usual "blah blah blah, we didn't do it, blah blah blah, the enemy is evil" rhetoric.

If I was a conspiracy type person, and I had to guess, I would think a wild story about corpses and WHO passengers was a way to redirect attention - enough that if anyone did figure out what really happened, the theory would be ridiculed as another conspiracy tall tale.

... and if that was the case, then this would make sense:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317

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Originally posted by Prairie One Prairie One wrote:

Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Apparently two of the corpses got up and started walking around.  One was seen chewing on a piece of landing gear.  Smile

Hi Johnray,  I'm not sure what to make of it. 


We won t shoot Albert but someone should. This is so far from your usual that I don't quite know what to make of it .....

Its called a sense of humour Prarie One.  Maybe it is a bad sense of humour - I can't tell as I share it. 

Perhaps you should develop one, its more fun that way.   LOL
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Embarrassed  Apologies Prarie One, I'm fond of our Albert and should bite my tongue more often.
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