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Penham ![]() Chief Moderator ![]() Moderator Joined: February 09 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14913 |
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I have 10 bags so far, that is only a 5 week supply for 2 litter boxes, although I could probably make it stretch a bit longer if needed. I plan on getting a few more bags, currently storing in the trunk of an extra car we have, because the cats open the bags if they are in the house.
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Yes the Siamese is more like a dog as well.
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eae67 ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Another cat lover checking in. At the moment I only have one cat. He is strictly indoors, he doesn't even want to go out and never runs for the door or anything like that. So he should be okay. Hopefully, anyway. |
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Thomas Angel ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: February 16 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 622 |
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Sully will figure it out, you just have to be patient. It reassures them when you pick them up and talk to them for a few minutes before you leave. It becomes normal for them and they know to expect that they're not getting out and "most importantly" that you are coming back.
Seven used to cry whenever I would shut the door to leave, and I mean cry! But I found that if I take some time with him before I leave that he only meows a few times, if even that now, since I started giving him some extra attention right before I go. He's always right there by the door waiting me to come back though! I sometimes wish I had a another cat so 7 wouldn't be so lonely, but it's just not an option unfortunately. I leave the TV on for him in my bedroom and a radio set to a classical music station for him in the kitchen when I go anywhere. It's one of things that "Cat Dads" do I guess.
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Thomas Angel ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: February 16 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 622 |
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http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/subjects/en/health/diseases-cards/avian_cats.html
At the end of February 2006 highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI), caused by the H5N1 virus was detected in a domestic cat found dead on the northern island of Ruegen, Germany. Since mid-February, over 100 birds have died on this island and tests confirmed H5N1 infection. Also in Asia, cats and other felidae are occasionally found to be infected with H5N1 since the start of the poultry epidemic end 2003. Experimental studies have shown that the domestic cat can become infected with the virus and that cat to cat transmission is possible in principle. Serological studies in several Asian countries suggest that dogs may also contract the H5N1 infection. Countries in Europe have advised owners of pets living near H5N1 wild bird foci to keep cats indoors and dogs on a leash when taken for a walk.
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GrizzlyGirl ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 07 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 107 |
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We have 3 cats and one dog as well as 2 aquariums. Luckily for us, our cats were raised as indoor cats so going outside is a privelege that they only get when it is nice and sunny and we are outside with them. It seems that they just want to nibble on the grass and lay in the sunshine. When the threat of TSHTF looms however, then their days of laying in the sun and eating grass are over. I think they would be quite content as long as they were with us. My dog will have to go outside and so we have prepped for her to wear baby sock/baggie booties. As much as she doesn't like it she will have to wear them if she wants to go out to go potty. As for the fish tanks, I will probably combine them if TSHTF in order to try and preserve them through the crisis. If not well then I guess we will just have extra water. I know that sounds gross but I will distill or chlorinate any water I have to if we run out of public utility service. If it never amounts to anything that severe, well then I have water for my plants (which LOVE the fish tank water).
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I have one indoor/outdoor cat. When the first bird flu case is detected in the US he will become indoor only no matter how much he will hate it.
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Thomas, and here I thoight you were a tough guy. You're just really an old softie!
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Billy22 ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: April 24 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Regarding what to do with cats should there be a pandemic...Keep them indoors, warm and well fed. For general information there has been one officially confirmed case of a domestic cat catching H5N1 and dying from it in Germany. And my understanding is that in the lab it has been demonstrated that the virus can be passed from cat to cat. In Britain they are recommending all cats be kept indoors, for obvious reasons. Not to worry too much. In the long run, in my opinion, humans should have a little more respect.
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Billy22 ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: April 24 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Oh, and I forgot to mention that in the past, ie. several years ago, Bengal tigers and other "big" cats, in certain Asian zoos also contracted H5N1 (apparently from eating infected chickens) and died. So for some unknown reason felines seem more susceptable. But I think that must be simply due to their "diet."
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I also have cats. Two, Starr and Teddi. Teddi resembles TAs cat quite a bit. Starr is a long haired-mut cat..gray and a little while on nose and paws. Beautiful kitty.
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I also have three dogs, too. Joey, Austin and Frank. |
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Samoa ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: March 30 2006 Status: Offline Points: 507 |
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We've been adopted by two nameless cats. They are well-fed but
they do keep birds and rats away from the house. Their best
friend in the world is Psycho, our 95 lb. Rottweiller. We don't
have any stray dogs or cats within a 100 meter radius of our place.
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AlaskaAquarian ![]() Valued Member ![]() Joined: April 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 169 |
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I also have a cat named "Grace" She's an indoors only cat. I'm not too worried about her. Give her ,her indoor formula cat food,her litter box, some cat nip filled toys, and she's one happy kitty. Very very good house cat. Prefers staying in doors. Especially up here in Alaska! (Although,who could blame her?)
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Albert ![]() Admin ![]() Joined: April 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 47746 |
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I had two cats, one just died after 19 years. They are indoor cats.... Anyway, the one that died was a big fan of wet food. In fact, we used to feed him around 6 cans a day.... I now have 3000 extra cans of cat food.
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oknut ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: March 04 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 847 |
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Wow Albert!
That's a lot for a cat to eat each day. We lost our oldest cat at 19 too. The remaining cat will be 16 next month. He's a light eater though. I only give him half a can in the morning and dry food the rest of the time. Our jack russell looks like a pot belly pig though and never gets enough to eat. When I put her on a diet, she just goes outside and hunts rabbits. Gross! |
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Ravendawn ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 16 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 462 |
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We have one cat called Claws we did have two cats but the local yobs decided to have some fun by coating claws in paint and killing her brother.We moved to a different area only to be feeding half of the neighborhoods cats now, i think cats have more than 1 home
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jackson ![]() Adviser Group ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2006 Status: Offline Points: 411 |
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I'm so sorry to hear about that one of your cats just died. |
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stephannelynn ![]() Experienced Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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I have 2 cats just about a year old each. They are outside. We have Asthma my 3 kids & myself. Plus I have 5 dogs. 3 of them are inside. So this is just unreal for me. I can't imagine losing any of them to this BF. Plus I have 2 horses. Do any of you know if Horses can get BF? I mean they eat off the ground.
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"Live for today, one never knows what tomorrow will bring." God Bless
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We only have one now. She is almost 13. Longest ever I've been blessed to have one. I think God decided at some point in time that I was going to be the one he sent the sick ones to. I nurse them as long as we can and them help them go Home without any pain. My pain has always been unbearable. They are my kids.
She doesn't go outside - never has. Problem I have is my squirrels. I have approximately 15-20 I feed daily. rabbits, chipmunks, birds, etc... 4 of those 15-20 squirrels took food from my hand on my deck. I stopped feeding by hand 4 weeks ago because of bf and disease rodents can spread - don't need feces on the deck. Can't believe My squirrels can be called rodents. Back to my problem...my cat loves them too. She sits at the window and they "talk" to each other. She is sooo bored now... has to settle on watching them eat in the designated feeding sanctuary area.
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oknut ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() Joined: March 04 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 847 |
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Sand - I can understand what you're feeling even though I think of our squirrels as being nuisance creatures. We have a mature pecan tree and many fruit trees that I planted after we moved here.
The rascals strip the trees of everything before the harvest is ready. What they waste (plenty), the rabbits clean up. No mess, but no harvest either. The first year here, I thought a neighbor must be stealing all of the apples. Then I was working from home and discovered where they were going. LOL! The squirrels used to harras our older cat, the one that's gone now. They'd get right up on the outside of the windowsill and tease him. Our cats were allowed outside until we moved where we are now. We're too close to a freeway to allow them out anymore so they adjusted well to being inside - except when the squirrels teased them. I've joked about making squirrel jerky and wished that someone else would do something about them, but they are endlessly amusing. I hope you're little colony is well. Albert - I forgot to tell you how sorry I am that you lost your cat. I still miss ours too and it's been a couple of years. They ARE part of the family. Deb(oknut) |
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oknut; There are specialily designed wraps for trees , one is a plain steel wrap and it is imposible for the squirrels to grab and they fall off. It is about two or three foot long and wraps around the tree. Cost effective for one or two tree. It can be used for fruit trees too It dosent look bad either
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Albert, so sorry aboout your loss of your 19 year old--we just had to put down our 22 year old last week & I'm still inconsolable. My other 4 & a stray we've taken in after he checked out medically, help but, it's a loss that transcends words.
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Hi,
I'm new to the forum but would like to share an idea that's worked. When I moved into this house last fall, there were several feral cats in the backyard that I believe were "dumps" since two are pedigree (a turkish van and a main coon.) Since they were always catching the birds, I decided to feed them. Every other week I put out a 20 lb bag of cat food along with weekly water (rubbermaid tote of water.) A few weeks ago I noticed that they are no longer chasing the birds - they're too fat now to get them.
Also, since I have a persian cat, I put a piece of plexiglas in the sliding glass door track, so that when I open the doors, there is no nose-to-nose contact between my little guy and the "backyard visitors" thru the screen door.
This may work for others - I hope it helps!
K.
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macrimmons ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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My cat is inside as of yesterday. The Washington Zoo set the pace for us. He is dying to go outside, so we have to lock doors, etc. I have several children so it is a daunting task. I do plan to pick up an owl to place on my deck to deter birds. Then, I have to figure out what to do with my dog and the outside. I feel like the unqualifed door patrol!
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I've got three cats (22 lb solid black one, medium-sized tabby and white one, and a smallish Siamese mix) and a Yorkie .... all indoors-only.
The dog does go outside to potty, but if need be, he can use newspapers indoors. I haven't even started stocking up on cat food and litter. ![]() ![]() They're worth it, though. I wouldn't take anything for any of my "kids". ![]() |
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iameuru111 ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 33 |
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i have a siamese cat "sophie" that has lived with me for 11 years. she NEVER goes outside. she seems perfectly content to look out the patio door and drool at the birds and other critters. i had always been a dog person, until she came into my life. didn't know that cats were such caring loving animals. if i run out of people food i have LOADS of cat food to eat! of course i will share with sophie.
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Evergreen ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Location: Washington Joined: March 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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I'm late to this thread and wanted to say I'm sorry about your cat. My cat is 17 and wound up in kitty ICU last June. After ultrasound, the doc said "im sorry" and sent me home with pain meds. (pretty easy to read between those lines). Anyway, I used herbal parasite killer and homeopathics and he is with me one year later. ICU had served Gerber ham baby food, so when Panther wouldn't eat, I gave him that. Not only could I get him to eat it(or use a syringe), it has put on a lot of weight. Guess the babyfood has a lot of carbs. At least I can use my stockpiled babyfood for flavoring rice if I end up with a bunch. perish the thought. D |
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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Albert ![]() Admin ![]() Joined: April 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 47746 |
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Thanks D- His Siamese brother is now reaching the end of his journey as well. Since they were Siamese twins, the other one has not been doing well.
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Evergreen ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Location: Washington Joined: March 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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Albert: Are you giving your senior Prednisone? I give 1/2 pill/day and it really helps. Also, my vet gave me pain meds that I give sublingual at night so Panther gets a good sleep. This must be really hard on you. Hugs and Kisses. D |
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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pugmom ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 28 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415 |
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let's do a poll of how many forum members have cats
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Merivel ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 06 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I agree that pets are people and we should treat them as our children. I am happy to see someone else feels as I do. We must protect pets, they don't even know there is a pandemic flu. I can't imagine how anyone can let their cat outside alone, where it could be injured or get rabies, never mind pandemic flu.
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i dream of things as they never were and say "Why not?"
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Albert ![]() Admin ![]() Joined: April 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 47746 |
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Thanks Evergreen. I used my cat whisperer technique to cure the broken heart lol. He stopped eating a few weeks after his brother died. I really didn't think those sorts of things were possible, with regard to animals behaving that way after one dies.
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I am late to this thread also, I recently lost a cat. His name was Flash because he was so... fast. He got ran over but at least the person who ran over him stopped and moved him out of the street.
I still have five tame cats and one stray that is almost tame. I am really working with him so I can get him neutered so I can bring him in when needed. We plan on bringing all the cats in when the birds come into this area.
I have been saving cat liter and food but do not have near enough.
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Edrn ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 19 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 36 |
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We do - OMG just counted - have 7! inside primary residence, including 2
"bpttle kittens I'm sure won't be able to throw out, plus I think 8 barn cats, plus one (now spayed) mama cat and her two c-section children cats in town... aargh
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alia atreides
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honeybee ![]() V.I.P. Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2006 Status: Offline Points: 188 |
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While searching for something else, I found a set of instructions for a "cat run".
Very simple and workable idea; they put it up against the house with the basement window as the "door" to get in or out of it. (I imagine you could add a flap on the top incase you have to make them come in...)
Wood frame with the mesh staple gunned.
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i hate oknut's cats ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 04 2009 Location: oakmont Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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sup bill hows it going man..im new to the forum...funny story i heard you guys like cats?...me too i had one until i intentionally ran it over
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whats good, oaky
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Evergreen ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Location: Washington Joined: March 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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Does anyone here feel that their pets return? My neighbors' beloved cat "Reuban" died early this year. A week ago, she had a dream that he was coming back to her. A few days ago, while visiting her brother in another part of the state, a cat came to their house and endeared itself to them so much that they brought her home. This new kitty took immediately to him (Reuben was his cat), walked under his feet the way Reuban used to, followed him everywhere the way Reuban did, immediately slept on his lap like Reuban and is mellow around other animals the way that Reuban was. Coincidence or truth? They both think it is Reuban returned. D
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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dr d ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 360 |
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Are you afraid she'll eat an infected bird or that you will not be able to go out to get her? I have twenty cats. I changed the garage over to a playhouse for them They no longer go out anywhere except to the vets.
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Evergreen ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Location: Washington Joined: March 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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dr d: are you responding to my question "Does anyone here feel that their pets return?". Wasn't quite sure from your post. Thanks, D
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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dr d ![]() Valued Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 360 |
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no,I was reading a different message does anyine slse have cats and one of theirs gets out all tthe time. I thought the writer was afraid for the cat's safety??
I do agree evergreen about cats returning and communicating with us. Pets Tell the truth is a great book. |
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Evergreen ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Location: Washington Joined: March 30 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 770 |
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I think mine did, too. He was 18 when he passed. New kitty "found me" and acts just like him. I feel great to have him back. What is the book, Pets Tell the Truth? D
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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