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 Posted: March 28 2016 at 8:29am |
Both in Alaska and Mexico volcanic eruptions taking place.
This could indicate build up of pressure (proberbly between Alaska-Mexico) or maybe it is release of pressure and decrease of risks. Dutchsinse is now less active in his forcasts. I think he was correct in some basic ideas. But pressure build-up can be released in one strong earthquake, a swarm of smaller earthquakes, volcanic activity or maybe even the transfer of pressure.
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Posted: February 29 2016 at 2:42am |
Several climate-scientist post on facebook:
/mhhensel: one reaction from Dorsi Lynn Diaz: just posted about this in the methane hydrates group also Harold. At the forum I found this at one of the posters said there was methane recorded at over 4,000 ppb over Trinity, Ca.
I (DJ) have not seen confirmation of this high methane number.
Paul Beckwith is putting a series of pictures of the co-release on his facebook page.
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Posted: February 29 2016 at 12:06am |
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Posted: February 28 2016 at 9:50pm |
About the CO and SO2 release western US-an indication for a larger earthquake.
Carbon Monoxide Spikes to 40,000 Parts Per Billion over California on February 26 — What the Heck is Going On?On February 26, The Global Forecast System model recorded an intense and wide-ranging carbon monoxide (CO) spike over the US West Coast. A region stretching from British Columbia, through Washington and Oregon, and on over most of California experienced CO readings ranging from about 5,000 parts per billion over the mountains of Southwestern Canada to as high as 40,000 parts per billion over Southern California. Very high peak readings appear to have occurred from Northern California near Eureka and the southern edge of the Cascadia Subduction Zone and along a line south and eastward over much of Central California to an extreme peak zone just north and west of Los Angeles near Palmdale along the San Andreas Fault Line. For reference, these readings were between 50 and 265 times above typical background CO levels of about 150 parts per billion and up to twelve times higher than second highest peak readings over polluted regions of China during the same period. Human-based carbon monoxide sources are not generally known to produce spike readings so high and so wide-ranging. Nor are wildfires (of which there were no reports for this region). The primary suspect for this preliminary observation, therefore, is geological. As the spike occurs over large fault lines, volcanoes, and above other active geological features along the US and Canadian West, it appears that activity within these features may have produced a brief if intense burp of this gas. Sulfur dioxide (SO2) readings — another geological gas — were also elevated, with peak readings again appearing in Southwestern California. It’s worth noting that no major US or Canadian geological organization has yet made any report on this particularly large CO spike. However, a piece of scientific research in Nature Asia, by K. S. Jayaraman notes that major CO and SO2 spikes may be an indication that future earthquake activity is on the way. According to Nature this kind of intense CO spike occurred prior to a 7.6 magnitude earthquake that shook Gujara in 2001 killing 20,000 people: Singh said that CO levels were taken by an instrument onboard NASA’s Terra satellite — launched in 2009 — circling the earth in a polar orbit at a height of 705 km. The instrument measures CO concentrations at different heights and also computes the total amount of the gas in a vertical column of air above the earth surface. Analysis of the satellite data showed a large peak in CO concentrations during January 19 and 20 — a week before the main earthquake event.On January 19, the total CO in the vertical column was also higher than usual. After the 26 January earthquake the concentration of the gas dropped. According to the scientists, CO gas is forced out of the earth due to the build up of stress prior to the earthquake “influencing the hydrological regime around the epicentre.”
This particular bit of research appears to have had no confirmation or further comment in the sciences at this time. So the predictive usefulness of large CO spikes prior to earthquakes remains quite uncertain. And, as noted above, no major geological information outlet has made any warning or comment on earthquake risk so far. Thus the current very large West Coast CO spike near major fault lines remains a bit of a mystery. http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2016/02/an-explanation-of-carbon-monoxide.html |
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Posted: February 28 2016 at 9:07am |
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Posted: February 28 2016 at 12:12am |
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/950
"Unprecedented" and "dangerous" levels of Carbon Monoxide are being released into the atmosphere from seismic faults. The levels are so bad, they're dangerous! People on the West coast may find they are having trouble breathing and feel strangely tired. Some folks may notice the surface of their skin taking on a bright red appearance; the signs of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. Scientists are working feverishly to try to determine the cause, but, they say a consensus is quickly developing: The earth itself is emitting this gas and it is being released into the atmosphere via seismic fault lines; cracks in the earth's surface where tectonic plates rub together. If levels continue to rise as they presently are, people could be overcome, pass out and die from this. As of 11:00 PM eastern US time on 27 February, 2016, there is no other place on the entire planet with Carbon Monoxide levels this bad or this widespread. It is completely unprecedented Readers can see the levels for themselves, LIVE, by clicking HERE This is a developing story . . . . check back http://earth.nullschool.net/#2016/02/27/0300Z/chem/surface/level/overlay=cosc/orthographic=-101.00,39.59,813 More on the methane-release in east Siberia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ A 2012 interview with Dr. Shakova. Of course Russia depends even more than most other countries on fossil fuel. The need to stop using them is not seen as welcome news by Putin/Gazprom (Shell, EXXON etc). Methane-release from Alaska me be starting up. Methane can be explosive, is a strong greenhouse gas. If we do not find a solution fast live on Earth ends. http://robertscribbler.com/2016/02/26/2-c-coming-on-faster-than-we-feared-atmospheric-methane-spikes-to-record-3000-parts-per-billion/
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Posted: February 23 2016 at 4:34am |
Also the US saw unusual movement in Georgia
and New Jersey:
Kinnelon, New Jersey is a very small town 33 miles northwest of New York City. It is not known for earthquakes, but FOUR have struck in 3 days!
Since colonial times people in the New York - Philadelphia - Wilmington urban corridor have felt small earthquakes and suffered damage from infrequent larger ones. New York City was damaged in 1737 and 1884. Moderately damaging earthquakes strike somewhere in the urban corridor roughly twice a century, and smaller earthquakes are felt roughly every 2-3 years. Earthquakes in the central and eastern U.S., although less frequent than in the western U.S., are typically felt over a much broader region. East of the Rockies, an earthquake can be felt over an area as much as ten times larger than a similar magnitude earthquake on the west coast. A magnitude 4.0 eastern U.S. earthquake typically can be felt at many places as far as 100 km (60 mi) from where it occurred, and it infrequently causes damage near its source. A magnitude 5.5 eastern U.S. earthquake usually can be felt as far as 500 km (300 mi) from where it occurred, and sometimes causes damage as far away as 40 km (25 mi). |
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Posted: February 23 2016 at 4:31am |
Fiji has seen a cyclone with record windspeed and several deep earthquakes: From USGS: - 4.6South of the Fiji Islands2016-02-22 22:26:00 UTC502.0 km
- 4.687km ENE of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-22 13:59:49 UTC514.9 km
- 4.8114km NW of Ceva-i-Ra, Fiji2016-02-21 18:40:49 UTC79.7 km
- 4.8217km NE of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-20 21:34:03 UTC548.7 km
- 5.2156km SSW of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-20 15:56:16 UTC579.7 km
- 5.8155km SSW of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-20 15:51:22 UTC579.4 km
- 5.1280km SW of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-20 14:38:41 UTC595.5 km
- 4.6122km W of Raoul Island, New Zealand2016-02-20 13:25:25 UTC341.9 km
- 4.6133km SE of Taron, Papua New Guinea2016-02-20 00:47:00 UTC142.3 km
- 4.939km NNW of Taron, Papua New Guinea2016-02-19 16:02:13 UTC48.3 km
- 4.6162km SSE of Sigave, Wallis and Futuna2016-02-19 05:29:27 UTC411.6 km
- 4.859km E of L'Esperance Rock, New Zealand2016-02-19 05:16:17 UTC41.5 km
- 4.9121km SSW of Taron, Papua New Guinea2016-02-18 20:47:36 UTC10.0 km
- 4.8109km SSW of Taron, Papua New Guinea2016-02-18 17:36:13 UTC42.2 km
- 4.930km NNW of Nuku`alofa, Tonga2016-02-17 11:15:24 UTC10.0 km
- 4.7100km SE of Ndoi Island, Fiji2016-02-17 08:47:48 UTC474.6 km
- 5.1145km S of Raoul Island, New Zealand2016-02-17 07:44:24 UTC10.0 km
- 4.742km SE of Kokopo, Papua New Guinea2016-02-17 05:31:23 UTC58.3 km
- 5.049km WSW of Taron, Papua New Guinea2016-02-16 19:07:15 UTC49.3 km
- 4.5Vanuatu region2016-02-16 17:45:40 UTC618.3 km
- 4.8129km WNW of Neiafu, Tonga2016-02-16 15:27:19 UTC246.6 km
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Posted: February 16 2016 at 3:09am |
Hope you are safe after the 6.2 quake KiwiMum ?
Dutchsinse:Over the past 2 weeks, we have now seen FOUR noteworthy earthquakes surrounding New Zealand. This should be something that stands out in light of what occurred in February 2011 (5 years ago). In 2011, we saw a series of large earthquakes occur in the region around New Zealand, culminating in a M6.2 which struck Christchurch on February 22, 2011. Just a few weeks later, on March 11th, 2011 – the Japan M9.0 mega-quake occurred, which killed tens of thousands of people. The US saw a 3.9 in California fitting in a trend http://dutchsinse.com/2152016-west-coast-california-volcano-struck-by-m3-8-earthquake-mammoth-mountain-long-valley-caldera/ Dutchsinse: Pressure builds in the region, coming from BELOW the plate, and pushes to the East / Southeast. This pressure builds and spreads out across the whole Western portion of the plate over a matter of days to weeks. As the pressure builds, it finds the weakest spots to release along its way up from below. The pressure hits the dormant volcanic chambers as it comes up while moving East. This causes the volcanic chambers to move along the Eastern border of California before we see a larger event strike off the West coast.
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Posted: February 14 2016 at 10:34am |
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We had a 5.7 here in New Zealand yesterday. I was cooking lunch and it gave the house a really good shake. I could also hear it above the radio I was listening to. The floor was swaying for some time afterwards and it felt like we were at sea. Thankfully no one was injured in Christchurch, just a good amount of cliff falls and a bit of liquefaction.
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Posted: February 13 2016 at 10:01am |
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We just had another earth quake here in Oklahoma 5.1
http://www.koco.com/news/earthquake-rattles-central-oklahoma/37979562
FAIRVIEW, Okla. —An earthquake rocked the Oklahoma late Saturday morning.
Initial reports show the earthquake was measured at a 5.1 magnitude and was centered 17 miles northwest of Fairview.
A 3.9-magnitude aftershock was reported shortly after in Fairview.
The Fairview Police Department said it is not reporting any damage.
The KOCO 5 newsroom received several phone calls from people who felt the earthquake throughout the state.
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Posted: February 09 2016 at 5:46am |
Dutchsinse keeps waring for the US pacific region http://dutchsinse.com/2082016-mount-saint-helens-struck-by-seismic-unrest-whole-west-coast-moves-from-ca-to-wa/
No thanks to the USGS, earthquakes are being forecast today. In Peru, a system still in development has accurately forecast 18 quakes. In five years of monitoring the Peruvian coast, this system hasn't missed a single strong quake. Even a scarcely palpable micro-quake as weak as 3.1 was detected days in advance. Quake forecasting isn't some shimmering mirage. Today, forecasts are a reality.
No other media was present. Why? Because USGS authorities with absolutely no comprehension of solid-state physics continually parrot that earthquakes cannot be forecast. The media never questions USGS dogma. The Pentagon or Kremlin would kill for such deference. The reality is the USGS missed the seismo-em boat. Worse, for nearly 40 years, it has tried to sink it. A powerful clique of seismologists dominates the agency's hierarchy. This clique and its academic allies went far out of their way to destroy critical research in solid-state physics, solid-solution chemistry and radiophysics: research that made Heraud's forecasts possible.
But let's face it, refusing to believe in catastrophism or continental drift doesn't kill. Earthquakes do. Nature's deadliest catastrophe slaughters hundreds of thousands in single quakes. Thousands may perish on our own coast with the "seconds of notice" that USGS early warning systems would provide. It's past time the Oregon Legislature sought better counsel. Taking immediate testimony from Heraud, Freund and QuakeFinder would be a good start. |
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Posted: February 03 2016 at 4:56am |
White House rallies public, private efforts to prepare for devastating earthquakes
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article57991778.html Congress could play a greater role if lawmakers choose. One
bill introduced last year by Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., would require a
federal plan for installing an earthquake early warning system for the
Cascadia subduction zone. A separate bill by Sen. Maria Cantwell,
D-Wash., would fortify warnings against tsunamis, the hugely destructive
wave surges triggered by earthquakes. So far, neither bill has advanced."
we can always count on Congress to FAIL
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article57991778.html#storylink=cpy
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Posted: January 30 2016 at 3:29am |
The Kamchatka-quakes causing "waves" http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/ The quakes in Kamchatka are a 100 miles/160 km deep. Strongest M7.2 but several aftershocks.
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Posted: January 30 2016 at 3:17am |
Lots of seismic activity;
From FB Dutchsinse:
This graphic I've put together shows the last 7 days of earthquakes M2.5+ in the United States, and M4.0+ internationally. Major unrest has taken place this past week, and the threat of a larger earthquake is looming -- something larger than the current TWO M7.2's which struck the North Pacific the past few days. Clearly areas across the whole planet moved with noteworthy activity, including Gibraltar South Europe, and the West coast of the United States. So many different M4.0 - M5.0 earthquakes in the West Pacific, it becomes hard to see the map.. also several deep earthquakes striking in succession all around Fiji , Tonga, and even Indonesia. All this movement is a precursor to larger activity which should strike in the near term (next several days, up to 1 week). The area to be struck with the large earthquake should be a nearby adjacent "silent" area which has not yet moved. With all the activity around the region, there are only a few spots which stand out as still being "quiet" -- South Japan, West Indonesia, Himalayan Range (Nepal to Afghanistan), Mexico / Central America, Vancouver Island , Pacific Northwest United States, and the coast of Peru / Chile. 7 silent areas, plus at least two deep earthquake locations where movement should occur nearby. Overall, this means the next 7 days should pan out to be more active than one might normally expect -- have a plan, and be prepared just in case things strike out to sea, or in populated areas. |
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Posted: January 26 2016 at 5:57am |
This Simulation Shows What Would Happen If an Earthquake Caused a Mega-Tsunamihttp://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a41506/video-earthquake-tsunami/
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Posted: January 25 2016 at 12:23am |
I do believe these movements are related and indicate continuation of movement for some time. Since movement might go from west to east increase of activity in central US and later on to the eastern part of the American Craton can be expected.
Following Dutchsinse-logics the Marocco-quakes could cause movement in NW Europe as well.
Of course the "old area's" could get activated as well; Japan-region (China-Russia), Chili, Indonesia, New Zealand. Maybe a "larger event" (M8+) more likely somewere ? A "bigger event"M5-M6-like in central US ?
The warning for the Pacific NW still stands-Dutchsinse.
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Also a swarm in central US-Oklahoma : 9 earthquakes in map area- 3.913km SSW of Caldwell, Kansas2016-01-24 10:01:41 UTC2.4 km
- 3.38km E of Guthrie, Oklahoma2016-01-25 04:56:10 UTC3.5 km
- 3.113km SW of Cherokee, Oklahoma2016-01-24 22:52:58 UTC12.4 km
- 2.85km ENE of Guthrie, Oklahoma2016-01-25 07:09:10 UTC4.4 km
- 2.810km W of Cherokee, Oklahoma2016-01-25 03:42:28 UTC4.4 km
- 2.614km SSW of Cherokee, Oklahoma2016-01-25 07:17:12 UTC6.4 km
- 2.629km NW of Fairview, Oklahoma2016-01-24 16:21:56 UTC5.0 km
- 2.521km N of Perry, Oklahoma2016-01-24 14:28:57 UTC6.5 km
- 2.12km E of Stroud, Oklahoma2016-01-24 17:49:38 UTC4.7 km
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Posted: January 25 2016 at 12:12am |
Very strong movements going on:
75 earthquakes in map area- 7.183km E of Old Iliamna, Alaska2016-01-24 10:30:30 UTC127.8 km
- 6.6215km SW of Tomatlan, Mexico2016-01-21 18:06:59 UTC10.0 km
- 6.162km NNE of Al Hoceima, Morocco2016-01-25 04:22:02 UTC10.0 km
- 5.963km ESE of Hongtu, China2016-01-20 17:13:14 UTC10.0 km
- 5.8167km E of Ceva-i-Ra, Fiji2016-01-18 18:24:17 UTC4.7 km
- 5.7102km ENE of Pangai, Tonga2016-01-25 00:00:09 UTC40.1 km
- 5.521km NE of Taitung, Taiwan2016-01-19 02:13:28 UTC25.6 km
- 5.589km ESE of Darab, Iran2016-01-22 20:51:47 UTC26.8 km
- 5.5Easter Island region2016-01-23 10:08:01 UTC10.0 km
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Posted: January 17 2016 at 8:10am |
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/779n ocean data buoy is alerting to an "event" in the Cascadia Subduction Zone off the west coast of Oregon. This is where a magnitude 9 earthquake hit in 1700. According to the data buoy, the water column height (depth) fell sharply within minutes off the coast of Oregon, signaling the land beneath the ocean has suddenly "sunk." Here are the graphs showing what the ocean data buoy recorded: https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/774
According to the US Geological Survey, the following THIRTY-EIGHT small earthquakes took place today around Johannesburg, CA:
Cuba had 4 quakes: - 5.144km SSW of El Cobre, Cuba2016-01-17 08:30:24 UTC10.0 km
- 5.129km SSW of El Cobre, Cuba2016-01-17 08:17:35 UTC10.0 km
- 4.630km SSW of El Cobre, Cuba2016-01-17 06:48:09 UTC8.2 km
- 4.829km SSW of El Cobre, Cuba2016-01-17 06:37:27 UTC10.0 km
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 9:59pm |
The most deadliest earthquakes had a magnitude between 7 and 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes#Deadliest_earthquakes_on_record.
A m10 would :"An unusually long subduction zone, like the Peru-Chile Trench, Aleutian Trench, or Japan-Kamchatka Trench would have to rupture in its entirety to trigger one. In other words, it would have to be a quake that hits Russia and Japan at the same time, or a quake that hits Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Chile all at the same time, etc. Also, a Moment Magnitude 10 earthquake won't necessarily feel much different in terms of how far buildings move from, say, an 8 or 9. The shaking, however, would last for much longer ― about 30 minutes ― and be spread over a much larger area. And then, of course, there's the tsunami, which could hit land while the shaking is still going on, greatly adding to the damage such a quake could cause." (from http://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/875/are-richter-magnitude-10-earthquakes-possible) In theory movement at multiple subductionzones at the same time could create a M11. But there is not enough historical data for (large) earthquakes since measuring quakes is only a 100 years old. The rest of knowledge is based on historybooks etc.
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http://earthquaketrack.com/p/united-states/california/recentHave lived in California most of my life and we were nearly on the fault line and when the quake hit it was so bad we tried to get out of the house and could not even stand up it was shaking so bad. Of course people have been going on for years that the "Big One" is coming. After, seeing all the water from my pool hurl in the air and all the cats and dogs run for the hills, one cannot describe how you feel when the earth is wrong and your dishes, shelves, and everything is literally flying through the air. There has been a lot of activity - and perhaps a person dear to me who said "I would rather try to survive a tornado in a ditch than experience one of your earthquakes" was right. It could happen in other states besides California- Washington and Oregon. We worry about some extremist setting off a bomb that may destroy a building - this would make that look like a firecracker. You should prepare for this. It is likely it will come not if- but when. Medclinician
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Posted: January 13 2016 at 12:19pm |
Deep Thinker, I do understand what you are discussing. I think the maximum movement along tectonic plates could give-once in a million years or so- a magnitude 11 quake. Extremely rare but not impossible.
I did read somewere that the maximum "magnitude"earth could deal with was a magnitude 15 (even though I can not imagine what that would look like). "Super"volcanos themselves would not create a very high magnitude. But a very strong quake could cause and worsen by a super-volcano erupting.
But I have a background in history (why the Roman Empire collapsed etc.) not in geology.
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Maybe I am just a bit to particular about how I word things. When I think "earthquake" what I think of is movment along tectonic plates. What you are talking about is other natural processes. I would just call them a "super volcano" or a asteroid strike instead of earthquake.
Yes I admit... a m10 earthquake is not the biggest naturally calamity we could face.... however any event bigger than that would be extremely unlikely to be an earthquake the way most people would think of an earthquake. I am just asking for accuracy in language sorry for any misunderstanding.
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Posted: January 12 2016 at 10:09pm |
D eep Thinker, I agree with you that a magnitude 11 quake on the Richterscale almost seems impossible. However https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event history may give some indications that "almost impossible" still could be possible.
Earth survived the Yucatan-meteorite strike with a magnitude M12. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater. When you accept the long time Earth exists than the chances of a once in a 1.000.000.000 years event is still a chance. |
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Posted: January 12 2016 at 3:04pm |
 Dutch Josh thank you for your reply! Those links debate if a mag10 earthquake is possible. They basically say it is theoretically possible however in the real world it would be extremely unlikely. However my issue with your post is the mention of a mag 11. Scientists aren't even sure if a 10 is possible and you are talking about something 32 times stronger. A 10 would probably be at least a foot off this scale. An 11 would be unimaginable.
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Posted: January 12 2016 at 4:00am |
Deep Thinker among much more:
In a longer period (+100.000 years) we may have had M10+ events. Our knowledge about such seismic mega-quakes is very limited. But you have to have a "geological setting" (the right geo-conditions) for such a quake. I think also a super-volcano-in a worst case scenario-could trigger a M10+ event.
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Posted: January 12 2016 at 12:57am |
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The M9+ quake in Japan 2011 was not expected. Geologists since that time have found out that geological structures would enable a M11 quake (for the Japan-region). Of course the question remains when ? |
Do you have a source for that? I know I have discussed this exact topic before here but... All the info I have read says even a magnitude 10 is probably not possible. Even a magnitude 10 is unfathomably strong. It is exponentially bigger than what Japan felt. I am sure the earth could produce enough energy to create an earthquake that was 10+, however for an earthquake to occur, the rocks have to first store the energy. It is very difficult to imagine how those rocks could store enough energy for a 10. Perhaps, a massive super volcano, or maybe an asteroid impact could do it though.
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Posted: January 11 2016 at 8:36pm |
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But we have cheap gas, lol.
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Posted: January 11 2016 at 8:34pm |
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Oklahoma now has more earthquakes than any other place in the world. Caused by waste water from fracking.
http://ecowatch.com/2016/01/05/earthquakes-hit-oklahoma-fracking/
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Posted: January 11 2016 at 8:11am |
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/massive-earthquake-inevitable-oklahoma
When Americans speak of “the big one,” they’re talking about the potential for a super-massive earthquake that could essentially destroy most of quake-prone California. Now some scientists believe something similar could happen in the once geologically placid Oklahoma. Oklahoma was shaken late Wednesday night by two of the strongest earthquakes to hit the state in recent years, the latest in a series of temblors that many researchers believe are caused by the burial of wastes from oil and gas drilling in the state.
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I live in OK and it's all over the news here, lol
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Posted: January 07 2016 at 2:23pm |
Oklahoma has had 30 earthquakes reported in the last 19 hourshttp://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/7/1467099/-Oklahoma-has-had-30-earthquakes-reported-in-the-last-19-hours
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Posted: January 06 2016 at 11:27pm |
Oklahoma was hit by two quakes, 4.7 and 4.8 fracking related. As Dutchsinse points out, pressure from the Pacific West moving eastward-via Oklahoma-to the US/Canada east coast. More movement is to be expected. http://dutchsinse.com/1062016-large-m4-8-m4-9-earthquake-strikes-oklahoma-fracking-operation/ (Yesterday California had a 4.4-this earthquake pattern started before the H-bomb-testing by North Korea, it is not easy to proof if that test did worsen the global earthquake risk.)
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Posted: December 30 2015 at 4:59am |
http://dutchsinse.com/12302015-washington-state-struck-seattle-vancouver-m4-9-m4-8-earthquake-west-coast-unrest-obvious/ Dutchsinse was wondering why it was quiet in the West Pacific on his Facebook-page-followed by several M4/5 quakes in that region. He was also correct in his expectations for the Pacific North West. From his facebook: do you think there will be more activity on the west coast?
Dutchsinse I just put out a video on my youtube channel covering this topic. Yes... more is coming. Also more in the Western Mountain region, Midwest, and possibly even along the EAST COAST
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Posted: December 29 2015 at 11:56pm |
As a reminder; measurements of earthquakes go back-at best-just over a 100 years. Older stories give some info about earlier (major) quakes (like the Cascadia-1700 M8.7/9.2 quake). Geologist are able to tell a little about subductions, groundlayers/stratification but that "book is not always good to read" can give just some indications.
Earthquakes go back hundreds of millions of years. The chances for "strong" quakes are for that reason "hard to tell". Geologists want to keep on the "safe side" with their calculations. Earth-structures can give some information.
The M9+ quake in Japan 2011 was not expected. Geologists since that time have found out that geological structures would enable a M11 quake (for the Japan-region). Of course the question remains when ?
People have a tendency to think what they see during their lifetime as "the normal" but earth-history tells that there is not such a thing as "normal".
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Posted: December 29 2015 at 10:28pm |
http://dutchsinse.com/12292015-southern-california-struck-m4-6-m4-4-earthquake-hits-after-canv-dormant-volcanoes-move/
A lot of movement (as far as I know above average) in a widespread area (both US and global-from west pacific-Nepal-west Asia to south of Europe). Dutchsinse is quite often correct in his "forecasts". He now expects pacific north west to have movement M4-M5-range (within 48 hrs, proberbly still in 2015) and for California "larger" (but when ?). I think he is also correct in his Oklahoma-escalation scenario; stronger frequent quakes M4+.
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Posted: December 29 2015 at 10:00pm |
Here's something for those in the Pacific Northwest to ponder, although I'm sure a lot of them already know about the Cascadia subduction zone. Or at least, I hope they do. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one?intcid=mod-most-popular
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Posted: December 29 2015 at 6:10pm |
4.3 preliminary magnitude EQ with epicenter 2 miles from Devore, CA (Southern CA). Felt in Inland Empire (Where I used to live), Northern Orange County (Where I currently live), and Los Angeles County. My TV shook so I need to find something to secure it with. http://abc7.com/news/43-magnitude-earthquake-hits-2-miles-south-southwest-of-devore/1140187/
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Posted: December 19 2015 at 1:13am |
Dutchsinse giving a warning for the fracking in the UK that will cause within a few years an increase of earthquakes in western Europe. Of course the "investors" only want the profits and not the costs-that will be for the taxpayer or the victim.
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Posted: December 16 2015 at 5:31am |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWWXehV6Y40 Dutch Frank with his predictions for december14-17.
Dutchsinse gave a strong warning for Japan that was incorrect. So far no explanation on what went wrong.
Dutch Frank is copying a lot from Dutchsinse in his presentations. They both proof that predicting earthquakes still is very difficult.
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Posted: December 13 2015 at 9:45pm |
Thank you OHC !
If there is a way of predicting earthquakes (or any other major live threats) it might be possible to save many lives.
Break through's in science can be made by individuals with good idea's. "Traditional science" can be sticking to old ideas that may not be totally correct. So "you can make a difference" is something I would like to believe in.
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Posted: December 13 2015 at 4:20am |
Dutch Josh  I appreciate your efforts in this thread
Keep up the good work.
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