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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplYXNCg2LE BPEarthWatch, "Jose" will bring a lot of rain, surge etc to New York and further north. Then loop and move in land (Virginia or north of it ?) next weekend. By that time "Maria" will again bring a lot of rain-stay offshore. Also mentioning of a storm forming (end of september, beginning of october) near Yucatan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYy6bQ0oWE&feature=youtu.be A presentation on hurricanes.
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http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1264-tropical-storm-watch-issued-for-new-jersey-and-new-york-city
Dahboo77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIyBUDRq2E Jose may move north to almost Canada east coast and than turn over the Atlantic move into Virginia/Carolina's were Maria then moves over-combining the strenght of two storms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4hQgVXO-hY MrMBB333 "Mary" can become cat 4 or 5-move via the "Irma"track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlm7YSzUkEBPEarthWatch also warning for a new storm forming near Yucatan-Mexico The big question is how to see these hurricanes in a wider perspective. Is it part of abrupt climate change-and (far) worse-globally-on its way.http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear-power/nuclear-power-accidents/flood-risk-at-nuclear-power-plants#.Wb-M30tJa3D Paul Beckwith; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wii-N_BfvmQ
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This is not the US yet...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgS1cQKbrpI BPEarthWatch confirming an earlier scenario of 3 storms effecting the US the coming 2 weeks.
CRS, DrPH-after the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrier_Reef another part of Earth is destroyed. People become refugees-losing everything they had including-with some bad luck-selfrespect. When I also hear about the early snowstorms in the northern US-other extreme weather events around the globe-I try to imagine the "exponential factor"; superstorms, hail-stones that kill, extreme cold in areas that should be warm or the other way round. Not looking good ! BPEarthWatch relates the "climate chaos" to solar flares-most make the link with climate change. |
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Dutch Josh, great point about the grim future of the Caribbean islands!
They are squarely in the line-of-fire to hurricanes, and these are likely to increase in the future. Damn shame, they are all very nice islands with wonderful people and resources. |
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http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/custom/models/cmc/cmc_atl_accprec.html
showing several storms forming both in the Atlantic and in the Caribean. -sept 20 "Jose" "to close for comfort" New York/Boston -sept 24 "Maria" over Florida, "Irma-track" -sept 27 "Nate" Louisiana All are models-but not looking good ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season gets updated daily.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqqkc1lD9sBPEarthWatch;
-Jose may stay at the Atlantic not doing much damage to the US, but Jose is full of surprises -Lee is moving north in the Atlantic, proberbly not doing much damage -Maria may become another Irma-cat3/4 moving over the Carribean towards US East Coast -another storm sept 30 close to the Mexican gulf coast moving into Mexico (in this model) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSPb1FJVqIMrMBB333 newer info, sound problem in the video. Maria could become a cat.4 but get pulled into the Atlantic by "Jose" before reaching the US coast. Jose would do another turn south to get in touch with Maria. The 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Season is very bizar. If this is the "new normal" many islands in the Caribean have a "very limited future". Not much tourism or agriculture=no means for many people to live there. DJ: This story-again-is not only about the US. It is about climate change effecting global economics, logistics, foodproduction etc. When these destructive storms are only the beginning of "very bad weather" we are in very big problems as humans.
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Thanks, Dutch Josh! My wife and I were married in St. John, US Virgin Islands, on Nov 20, 1997 (nearly 20 years ago!), it saddens us to see this devastation. We are reading about widespread looting and intimidation of the populace by armed thugs, very sad. A model for what any of us might face in the future, due to pandemic, EMP etc. Sadly, more storms are on the way....Maria and Lee look like they could add to the misery in the Caribbean. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-bayXRZ-QBPEarthWatch and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-rzzmycHLMMrMBB333 with latest updates.
Sept 19-New York Area "Jose" cat1 Sept 25-"Maria" will sweep the US East Coast. Later on "Lee" may show up as well. CRS,DrPH-the biggest risk from these chain of hurricanes is massive panic in the US. The "human reaction" already showing on Caribean islands with drinkingwater and foodproblems, no houses, next hurricanes on its way....
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Perhaps the biggest problem from extreme weather is not the damage from high winds, but from the storm surge, caused by rising sea levels.
Data shows that the oceans are rising, due to melting of glaciers AND expansion of ocean water mass as temperature rises. All coastal areas are at risk, and since the majority of the world's population lives close to the seas, this is going to be a huge problem. See the graphics in this link: |
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Satori, reminds me of building a house on solid ice during winter-one day summer will come....
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1259-hurricane-jose-expected-in-nj-nyc-area-in-four-days-we-could-get-a-rough-ride-a-direct-hit-or-nothing models on "Jose" (and "Lee" and "Maria" ) are very uncertain. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ will give advisories on a new hurricane on its way to the Lesser Antilles. In a recent Vice article, Nafeez Ahmed broke the story of Schroders, a British investment firm with US $542 billion under management, privately advising its clients that global temperatures could reach 7.8 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by the end of this century. Of course, as is well known, the safe limit for warming is generally considered to be 2 degrees Celsius.
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interesting piece on how hurricanes affect infrastructure
Hurricane Irma: Revenge of the Everglades... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/15/1698865/-Hurricane-Irma-Revenge-of-the-Everglades |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIROYvZfbbs MrMBB333; "Jose" is starting to look a lot like "Sandy" in 2012. But it may not make landfall-move into the Atlantic and maybe even then return to strike again !
http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/local-news-nyc-nj-ct/1256-uh-oh-euro-216-hour-shows-a-potential-simultaneous-impact-on-the-east-coast-by-two-hurricanes Tuesday "Jose" COULD be less than 200 miles from New York and bring a lot of rain. (DJ; problem is that models are far from perfect). https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/11/climatechange We are on our way to a 4C above normal-drastic action is needed now ! In september 1961 hurricane "Debbie" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Debbie_(1961) did do a lot of damage in Ireland and the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Vince In october 2005 hurricane "Vince" reached Spain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_effects_in_Europe In a paper published in April 2013, the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute predicted that by the year 2100, global warming would greatly increase the threat of hurricane-force winds to western Europe from former tropical cyclones and hybrid storms, the latter similar to Hurricane Sandy in 2012. One model predicted an increase from 2 to 13 in the number of cyclones with hurricane-force winds in the waters offshore western Europe. The study suggested that conditions favorable for tropical cyclones would expand 1,100 km (700 mi) to the east. A separate study based out of University of Castile-La Manchapredicted that hurricanes would develop in the Mediterranean Sea in Septembers by the year 2100, which would threaten countries in southern Europe.[5] Hurricanes in the Atlantic are not only a risk for North America they also effect the weather in Europe-and the Arctic (bringing warm air-increase polar melt). Severe (economic) damage due to climate change to the US effect global economies and trade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlG6I9nlDgQ&feature=share Populationgrowth of 240.000 persons per day, unrealistic pricing-leaving lots of cost to the taxpayer for private profit is destroying our planet.
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BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWYnvFldvl4
-Jose may reach New York as a cat.1 at night and stay there for a longer period bringing a lot of rain -2nd storm follows Irma-track over Caribean than to Georgia -3th storm starts in the Caribean-over Cuba-Florida into the Atlantic -Also mention of first snowstorm in Montana Long term models that will change. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-15/new-york-city-within-hurricane-joses-cone-uncertainty MrMBB333, over 20 inches of rain in western Mexico due to "Norma"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isRT-yFqpIg striking in densly populated area with lots of dams.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNLfZGEzx8c BPEarthWatch-models indicating Jose getting close to New York sept 19/20, another storm hitting Georgia sept 25 and a third one moving into Louisiana /Florida sept. 28. That is just the models. (Lee and Maria would be the names after Katia).
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The longest duration of a hurricane was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_San_Ciriaco_hurricane 27 days and 18hours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Jose_(2017) started as a tropical wave august 31.
Other data on (Atlantic) hurricanes: http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/1245-not-a-single-living-person-on-the-island-of-barbuda Some islands/area's will see strong population decrease. From the article: https://thinkprogress.org/harvey-superstorm-study-25e60eeb4bd7/ A study released Friday by Metstat, a weather-analysis company specializing in “detailed precipitation analysis” and “weather frequency analysis,” found that Harvey delivered a stunning once-in-25,000-year deluge over much of southeast Texas. Some places saw an unimaginable once-in-500,000-year deluge, which translates to a 0.0002 percent chance of this deluge occurring in any given year. Probabilities that extreme “are calculated by extrapolating the distribution curves for precipitation observed over the last century,” Metstat’s Shauna Bokn explained. Since global warming has been making extreme precipitation events more likely, however, the U.S. won’t have to wait 25,000 years to witness the next event of Harvey’s proportion. But, again, to be clear, that’s all based on historical precipitation data over the past century. Human-caused climate change is shifting the baselines. In regard to Harvey, MetStat found that “an interesting atmospheric setup was present that allowed it to stay alive for so long; bringing devastation over such a widespread area.” In particular, “the jet stream was located at very high latitudes, allowed for very light wind shear over Texas, and this aided in the lack of movement for Harvey.” As climatologist Michael Mann explained during the storm, “the kind of stalled weather pattern that is drenching Houston is precisely the sort of pattern we expect because of climate change.” Climate science predicted a weaker jet stream, and Harvey stalled because of a weakened jet stream. |
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Thanks for the update on Hurricane Jose!
That thing was wandering around in the Atlantic, but it sure looks like it is making a bee-line for New England! |
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Satori, "Jose" might become recordbreaking in duration. MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHYv84X_2U "Jose" looks a lot like "Sandy" and new hurricanes forming on the Atlantic. (Impact on the Dominican Republic as a cat.4/5 in a week then moving to Florida ?)
Also "water doing bizar" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X04fMkRRD9U BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3daMZxYOMMw
Also in the news: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-14/do-40000-lightning-strikes-over-socal-point-mega-quake-horizon California had a M3.3quake hours ago. Good information can save lives and limit damage !
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this JOSE guy is REALLY getting on my nerves
it was supposed to stay FAR out to sea but obviously isn't going to happen I''m not gonna take a direct hit but we certainly will get a lot of wind and rain http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/235324.shtml?cone this bad boy is really unpredictable |
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NHC; http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 and http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=epac&fdays=5
Latest discussions on models: BPEarthWatch; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKjfQhMTE8w
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PLNY-kMMss BPEarthWatch some models "Jose" moving towards New York tuesday. But a lot of uncertainty. "Jose" influencing some remains of "Irma" above Texas.
MrMBB333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tP7H6pWHE global view; Fukushima-Japan may see a cat-2 cyclone. Western Mexico a cat-4 but the mountains there will limit damage. On the Atlantic all models have a different story. "Jose" the be part of a large system of depressions and storms moving towards Europe ?
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MrMBB333 with an update on power in Florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY&t=39s in some areas may take more than 10 days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WPNEsSplOc "Jose" could go a lot of directions. Models have lost grip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnHs-qgJ18Y Remains of "Irma" moving towards Texas-Houston-Gulf. (Could it become a hurricane again in the Gulf ? Katia did so after crossing Mexico and moving into the Pacific.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jwq2aQXK1E also BP Earthwatch surprised by the strenght of "Irma" ! Tech, we now have a lot of wind. But this is nothing compared to a hurricane. Since Arnhem is build on hills north of the (Lower)Rhine-river-with a lot of low lying land rain can be a problem. We have a "dyke" for the railway allthrough the city-so with a lot of rain water is a problem at some places. "Climate change were you are" makes a good item !
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I have been expecting it DJ.
Our storms are getting more frequent and nastier too. Luckily, up until now, there have been no hurricanes in the Uk. So, when we do get them, as we will eventually, they will not reach category 5. Well probably not, anyway. Buildings here tend to be stone, brick and concrete. there are few wooden houses, Timber framed buildings are getting more common, but we have got a stone one with 3 feet thick walls - deliberately. We are only 10 miles from the coast, but quite high. So, as long as our buildings are fairly robust we should be fine, no matter what. We own the highest point around, but our house is 30 or 40 foot below that . Above us are dense trees - needed to prevent landslides in my opinion. Lots of new build stuff seems to be, not only timber frame, but also in low lying coastal areas, or on valley sides where they have removed the trees above. STUPID! What is it like where you are? How are sea/wind defenses? Holland always struck me as low - but with great planning and defensive thinking. Will you be OK when it all goes pear shaped?
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Med, investers will not invest when a region has to many risks. Both for the US and the EU regions most at risk will see economic desinvestment and jobs move elsewere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14eC4n0oXRY MrMBB333 latest update. With more cyclones, hurricanes etc shippinglanes will get disrupted-transport of goods more expensive. Climate change will effect foodproduction. Irma and Harvey means loss of agriculture land and products. Tech, http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/warming-of-north-sea.html The North Sea is getting hotter as well. We in Europe may see the consequences maybe tomorrow with the coming storm tomorrow. Stay safe !
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Spot on, Med. Climate change is increasing the frequency and strength. As the water gets hotter the storms get stronger - simple physics.
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They might destroy the U.S, but they could certainly wipe out most of the South. The total cost in funding from .gov for Harvey in Texas and Irma in Florida and North Carolina could exceed 30 billion dollars.
So what happens, as two more move closer if every year we have these kind of disasters in the South? There will not be the rush to finance aid we have seen for Hurricane Harvey in Texas. While they may not destroy the U.S. they could certainly cripple the budget. Indirectly, if we see conditions resulting without power (electricity) or adequate medical or police coverage, you will see looting, disease, and more anarchy in the streets. Scary thought. Medclinician |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEYJdwgipus MrMBB333 with an update on "the disaster after the disaster". With 13 million households without electricity, maybe for a longer period, schools closed, roads blocked, farmland flooded-the damage must be large. Also a question on "what happened with the water".
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/irma-brings-record-flooding-jacksonville-cuts-power-more-5-million https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/jose-potential-east-coast-threat Latest models indicate "Jose" making landfall in eastern Canada ? No new hurricanes forming ? We have to see how that goes. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/all-food-gone-violence-erupts-caribbean-island-st-martin French and Dutch military try to get aid into St.Martin and restore public safety. Civil "unrest" may be a problem elsewere when infrastructure problems are not solved. People need information most of all. When can they get food and water, were can they sleep...
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https://laughingsquid.com/hurricane-size-comparison/ and http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-five-big-crises-that-got-worse-while-the-world-watched-irma-20170911-gyeuxu.html
5. Climate changeClimate change gathers force. The evidence of the damage inflicted by man-made global warming grows stronger. "As recently as a decade ago, climate scientists had a motto that 'you can't attribute any single extreme event to global warming'," wrote three climate scientists in the Scientific American this week. "By the time politicians and journalists started repeating that line, however, the science had moved on, so that we now can attribute individual events in a probabilistic sense," according to Michael Mann, Thomas Peterson and Susan Joy Hassal. "We know that the strongest storms are getting stronger, with roughly 8 meters per second increase in wind speed per degree Celsius of warming. "And so it is not likely to be a coincidence that almost all of the strongest hurricanes on record (as measured by sustained wind speeds) for the globe, the Northern Hemisphere, the Southern Hemisphere, the Pacific, and now, with Irma, in the open Atlantic, have occurred over the past two years." The UN secretary-general Antonio Guterres is due to meet Donald Trump next week and is expected to try to persuade him to keep the US committed to the Paris carbon treaty. If the evidence of Irma doesn't make an impression on Trump, it's hard to know what could. After all, it's received a lot of coverage. The problem is, our current business-as-usual trajectory takes us to a world that’s about 3.5C warmer. That is to say, even if we kept the promises we made at Paris (which Trump has already, of course, repudiated) we’re going to build a planet so hot that we can’t have civilisations. We have to seize the moment we’re in right now – the moment when we’re scared and vulnerable – and use it to dramatically reorient ourselves. The last three years have each broken the record for the hottest year ever measured – they’re a red flashing sign that says: “Snap out of it.” Not bend the trajectory somewhat, as the Paris accords envisioned, but simultaneously jam on the fossil fuel brakes and stand on the solar accelerator (and also find some metaphors that don’t rely on internal combustion). |
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Another way to look at trends in hurricanes, statistics end 2016:
In the top 15 of most named storms since 1851 not less than 10 are from 2000 or later. Also in other lists there is an overpresence after 1990. Is the number of hurricanes, the strenght, related to climate change, I think so ! Also 9 of the 14 costiest weather disasters since 1980 were 2000 or later. From the 32 costiest US hurricanes 12 are from 2000 and later. (The costs are adjusted to a 2010 baseline-population/building-boom also increase damages.) It looks like 2017 is another very bad hurricane year.
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Allthough "Irma" is not over yet https://www.lightningmaps.org/?lang=en#y=32.8333;x=-78.7953;z=6;t=4;m=sat;r=0;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;n=0;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;ra=1; it is not longer a hurricane http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at1.shtml?cone#contents
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/half-floridians-without-power-state-braces-lengthiest-restoration-us-history Already, damage estimates suggest that Irma could enter the pantheon of costliest hurricanes in US history just two weeks after Hurricane Harvey accomplished a similar feat in the Gulf of Mexico. According to Bloomberg, Enki Research estimates for total damages dropped to $49 billion from $200 billion earlier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Atlantic_hurricane_season on Harvey:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Harvey Harvey caused at least 71 confirmed deaths; 1 in Guyana,[1] and 70 in the United States.[2][3] FEMA director Brock Long called Harvey the worst disaster in Texas history, and expected the recovery to take many years.[4] Economic losses are preliminarily estimated at between $70[5] to $200 billion,[6] with a large portion of the losses sustained by uninsured homeowners. Economic loss estimatesBased on current damage estimates made by multiple agencies, Hurricane Harvey is likely to be at least the second-most costly natural disaster in U.S. history, behind only Hurricane Katrina in 2005.[5][125] Moody's Analytics has estimated the total economic cost of the storm at $81 billion to $108 billion or more; most of the economic losses are damage to homes and commercial property.[5] USA Today reported an AccuWeather estimate of $190 billion, released August 31.[126] On September 3, Texas state governor Greg Abbott estimated that damages will be between $150 billion and $180 billion, surpassing the $120 billion that it took to rebuild New Orleansafter Katrina.[127][128] According to weather analytics firm Planalytics, lost revenue to Houston area retailers and restaurants alone will be approximately $1 billion. The Houston area controls 4% of the spending power in the United States.[129] A significant portion of the storm's damages may be uninsured losses. Regular homeowner insurance policies generally exclude coverage for flooding, as the National Flood Insurance Program underwrites most flood insurance policies in the US.[130][131] Although the purchase of flood insurance is obligatory for federally guaranteed mortgages for homes within the 100-year flood plain, enforcement of the requirement is difficult and many homes, even within the 100-year flood plain, lack flood insurance.[130] In Harris County, Texas—which includes the city of Houston—only 15% of homes have flood insurance policies issued by the NFIP. Participation in the NFIP is higher, but still low, in neighboring Galveston (41%), Brazoria (26%), and Chambers Counties (21%).[130] Both https://www.ventusky.com/?p=35.9;-73.8;5&l=wind&t=20170920/18">https://www.ventusky.com/?p=35.9;-73.8;5&l=wind&t=20170920/18 and http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/fcst/#GFS.CONUS-CED.WS10-MSLP expect "Jose" reaching DC/NY area around sept 19. (DJ; both they and the NHC do not show new hurricanes forming west of Africa yet.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kWwyog182Q MrMBB333
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akx5NhoDSJk MrMBB333 Irma did push oceanwater away from land-that water will return. Warning for an 82 feet /25 meter wave near Miami ?
(X8 or 9 sunflare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wSFFUw7sng) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdalIASU2s Dahboo77-update Jose moving towards Maine sept 19 ? https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/09/hurricane-irma-florida-evacuate-landfall-cuba-live-latest (last update 8 hours earlier-trying to get a clear picture later on). live radar DJ-of course these weather-disasters are climate change related and (for that reason) not only a US problem. A economic crisis in the US due to these events is a global problem. Weather disasters are reported around the globe. To deal with that-trying to limit damage only international cooperation can mean enough. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sngKWNDIdg
MrMBB333; Jose moving north-strikes New York/Massachusets sept 18 ? (DJ-models do not show another new hurricane forming in the Atlantic coming week, but http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5) MrMBB333; forward speed Irma half as fast = double the rain amounts for Florida. Irma regaining strenght. Expect sinkholes and "waterworld". BPEartWatch; Irma moving more west than expected staying more above hot Gulf-water=bigger chance "Irma" for going to cat.4 (or even 5) ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfSLaopV3hw Temperature giving Irma extra strength 32C /89,6F water (Katia could move into the Pacific as tropical depression) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GYivvuJis Paul Beckwith on tornadoes in "Irma". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39k56nB9X4k Dahboo77 hackers using oppertunity to hack US cybernet. |
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https://phys.org/news/2017-09-threatens-toxic-sites-irma-nears.html
http://www.anongroup.org/florida-nuclear-plants/ Turkey Point already leaking Several webcams showing live what is happening in Florida. |
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MrMBB333 with history of stormsurges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IBx5slkkU8
also warning for alligators in Florida after flooding ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgYG-6D-jaU NHC-new disturbance west of Africa http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 BPEarthWatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdqAuHztifc Risk-maps only go to 10 feet surge, expected is 12 feet surge plus extreme rain and up to 35-40 feet waves.
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https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2017/09/extreme-weather-is-upon-us.html (link hurricanes-earthquakes here https://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2012/11/did-sandy-trigger-major-earthquakes-off-vancouver.html , http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-mexico-earthquake-20170908-htmlstory.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4FO1AMp0Y BPEarthWatch some models indicate Irma could move WEST of Florida over hot water staying strong much longer.... The economic damage to the US must be extreme. Hurricane season 2017 may become a global disaster. On Harvey: https://www.rt.com/usa/402523-hurricane-harvey-flesh-eating-bacteria/ water is so polluted it is a danger in itself. http://robinwestenra.blogspot.nl/2017/09/texas-nuke-site-flooded-while-irma-aims.html?spref=fb
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BPEarthWatch latest update, with another hurricane south of Florida sept 24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5vn4acym1w
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc930p8euBw DAHBOO77-update.
Andrew 1992 cat 5: Irma 2017 cat 4: Max wind=165 mph 185 mph stormdiameter 400miles 650miles 74mph wind radius 45 miles 75 miles time over Florida 4hrs 24+hrs
The hurricane Irma that is expected to make a landfall in the United States, is going to "devastate" the country, the chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) said on Friday. FEMA Administrator Brock Long said at a press conference that the hurricane will leave portions of Florida without electricity for days, adding that over 100,000 residents of the state will need shelter. DJ; I hope that the shelter provided will offer enough protection. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFWPKyzNq6c Dr.James Hansen "storms of my grandchildren" https://www.facebook.com/jimehansen/ and https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/30/ex_nasa_scientist_james_hansen_there https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/07/hurricane-irma-live-latest-updates-caribbean |
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This is amazing...
For the first time in modern history, three hurricanes in the Atlantic are lined up in the most dangerous of ways, according to Eric Blake, a hurricane specialist at the National Hurricane Center. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_2SiAU0Gg M8.1 hit Mexico at the Pacific coast near Guatemala.
https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/905928442251763713 meteorologist wondering if the Irma damage could reach a trillion US$.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOmG93NyX7M MrMBB333 latest update, Irma moving inland in the US after Florida bringing floods etc.
Reports from Sint Maarten Dutch/French island in the Caribean; -government, telecommunication, (air)port collapsed -Jose expected saterday -most people out of housing, food, water Dutch and French help on its way but growing fear of health, public order problems. In some islands people had to tie themselves to the strongest things they could find to avoid to be blown away. Number of dead and missing may be very high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQlGj5pHJVk Paul Beckwith on how to keep informed, were the strongest wind is in a hurricane, google earth as info on how high a ground is; most of Florida may end up under water-damages in the hundreds of billions.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyja1mc-W6s DAHBOO77; some nuclear plants shut down, people trying to leave Florida-once the storm starts you do not want to be in a car ! Jose could follow Irma on its way to Florida. Chemical leakages may make hit regions unliveble... http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/u-s-national-news/1196-power-grid-warnings-have-gone-out-for-united-states-power-grids-due-to-solar-storm Solar storm means communication is a problem.
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IRMA moving north
but continuing to take a strong westerly tack heck this monster could actually end up in the Gulf at this rate |
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Hurricane scientists have never seen an image like this beforehttps://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hurricane-scientists-have-never-seen-an-image-like-this-before/ar-AArtxSw?li=BBnb7Kz |
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Burning on the West coast,drowning on the East Coast,massive floods in Asia,Swiss mountains ,falling apart, methane gas leaking from the Ocean floor,permafrost that's not so perma!!!!,
Climate change is all a figment of the imagination,and FAKE NEWS... Very very sad for the Human race |
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Satori, you mean northward ? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/southeastern-us-better-wake-fema-chief-warns-irma-will-be-truly-devastating-storm
Hurrricanes are known for surprises....the number of storms on their way this month could be shocking-and a lot of them will follow a more north-route due to warmer ocean water. As I mentioned earlier-we in western Europe are NOT safe. We may face stronger storms soon ! BPEarthWatch latest update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_OvAhiDRys
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