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war on Christianity ?
OR
war on teh stoopid ???

Trump adviser claims ‘word of God’ will protect us from flu

https://nypost.com/2018/02/06/trump-adviser-claims-word-of-god-will-protect-us-from-flu/

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Ari Melber Slams Hypocritical Right-Wing Christians: 'Royal Court Has Been Exposed'


https://crooksandliars.com/2018/01/ari-melber-slams-hypocritical-right-wing

OUCH !!!

now that is gonna leave a mark

AND IT SHOULD

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God damn, Satori!

I wish I could have seen your face on election night.

When you KNEW Hillary was going to win. Your blessed CNN had done their best to discredit the Trump even saying she had a, what was it again? 98.9% chance of winning the presidency and then when the numbers came out your side, your party, your candidate lay in ruins before you. Ol' Zer0's legacy in question, two or three SCOTUS nomination she wouldn't get to make, economic prosperity now on the horizon... I can only imagine that delicious look... those delicious tears. I'd bottle them.

Nine years ago people like you squealed with delight at the prospect of Zer0's ascension, saying that the people had spoken, and what we got was failed policy after failed policy, the single handedly worst, most hated law in US history since prohibition, and foreign policy so bad that we will be picking up the pieces and cleaning up the messes of his inept mishandling for a generation, and here you are wanting more of the same.

Open your eyes man. You're smarter than this.

You're better than this.
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New TV Ad Thanks Trump For Ending War On Christmas That Never Existed

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-tv-ad-thanks-trump-for-ending-war-on-christmas-that-never-existed_us_5a3ea0aae4b025f99e177d8b


America First Policies — a nonprofit started by former Trump campaign aides ― is set to air a new Christmas day commercial in which “everyday Americans are standing to thank President Trump.”


Donald Trump has changed the Presidential Challenge Coin and it's a disgrace

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/22/1726973/-Donald-Trump-has-changed-the-Presidential-Challenge-Coin-and-it-s-a-disgrace


trying to establish a CULT OF PERSONALITY ???

Kim Jong-un would be so proud !


a pathetic little man inhabits the White House

and is soiling the carpet in the Oval Office as we speak



now here is a REAL war against Christianity


Egyptian Mob Sacks Christian Church After Friday Prayers

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/12/23/egyptian-mob-sacks-christian-church-friday-prayers/


I'm never quite sure about "religion"

does it bring out the best in humans or the worst ???




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Originally posted by nc_girl nc_girl wrote:

Trump hasn't sold us out to Russia, it was Hillary and her crew who did that.  


I do work with the FBI and believe/trust them implicitly.  Facts matter, not "alternative facts." 

If Trump wasn't in Russia's back pocket, how do you explain this, which was obtained during surveillance of Russian communications?  

President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, denied in a statement Monday that he suggested setting up a "back channel" communication line to the Kremlin that would bypass US intelligence agencies and persist after Trump was inaugurated.

But Kushner acknowledged in the statement, which came ahead of a closed-door appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee, that he asked Russia's ambassador to the US in December whether the Trump transition team could use Russia's embassy to communicate privately with Moscow about Syria.

The meeting with the ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, "occurred in Trump Tower, where we had our transition office, and lasted twenty [to] thirty minutes," Kushner wrote in an 11-page statement detailing his contacts with Russian nationals during the election and transition period.

"Lt. General Michael Flynn (Ret.), who became the President's National Security Advisor, also attended ... I stated our desire for a fresh start in relations."

Kushner said Kislyak, whose tenure in the US ended this past weekend, asked whether there was "a secure line in the transition office to conduct a conversation" about the US's Syria policy.

"General Flynn or I explained that there were no such lines," Kushner wrote. But he said he went on to ask whether the Russian Embassy "had an existing communications channel ... we could use where they would be comfortable transmitting the information they wanted to relay to General Flynn."

Kislyak said they didn't, according to Kushner, and "nothing else occurred."

"I did not suggest a 'secret back channel,'" he wrote. "I did not suggest an on-going secret form of communication for then or for when the administration took office. I did not raise the possibility of using the embassy or any other Russian facility for any purpose other than this one possible conversation in the transition period. We did not discuss sanctions."

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"All Trump has done is do what the majority of the people in this country want him to do."

let me repeat myself AGAIN

Trump LOST THE POPULAR VOTE
he DOES NOT speak for the majority of Americans

he claimed he won the popular vote by millions over a year ago
we are all STILL WAITING for that proof
so far
 nothing,zilch,nada
just more FAKE NEWS from the KING of FAKE NEWS
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Mainstream media has oversight.  Most of the internet does not.

The media are not honest, true.  But they are not able to be as blatantly dishonest as many on the internet.  Worse, when a person in power defames the press, it is always (historically speaking) to cover up the nasty things they are planning and to prepare for the additional power they plan to grab.

I have no doubt Hilary was crooked, but she never tried to silence the press the way this administration does.  That speaks louder than anything said over the net.  I confess the current tone of events is chilling.
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Trump hasn't sold us out to Russia, it was Hillary and her crew who did that.  Please read facts and stop listening to the main stream media.  After millions spent, they still haven't gotten Trump for any wrong doings with Russia.

Saying something is true doesn't make it true.

All Trump has done is do what the majority of the people in this country want him to do... take care of us first.  We're tired of sending money overseas and having the govts just absorb it and not use it to help their citizens.  We're tired of our 'friends' only being our 'friend' if we pay them to fill that role.  We stand by those who stand by us ie Israel, England, etc.  Globalist are just upset that the crush of money they were hoping to get from the US is not forthcoming now because we have someone in office who cares about our country and the people in it.

I'm not going to argue the point because I know that people are either pro-Trump and 'get it' or they are anti-Trump and so sure of what they think is real and true.


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Ps.  I am not a Christian and not prepared to lie about it, but I know my ten commandments and the two additions/clarifications Jesus added.  I try to follow them dilligently, as they offer the basis of a sound and good morality.  I am having some difficulty with the sermon on the mount, this is why:

 "judge not and ye shall jot be judged."  is becoming impossible for me, so I hope the judgement I eventually receive is at least understanding of my reasons.

America is a great country to live in already, but has an international reputation for being a "fair weather friend".  It also benefits from an unfair international economic bias, driven/sustained, at least in part, by its huge power basis.  That is why so many people appear to both hate America and yet want to live there.  (I do neither, by the way.)

Yet, many folk, who claim to be Christians, think this is acceptable,  they put economic success before healthcare and care in general, for the poor,  ignore the suffering of the unfortunate and support a gigantic liar.  I judge that as indefensibly unchristian.  You cannot serve both God and Mamon.

I can't see Trump as the Antichrist, he is just an ordinary psychopath*, but he does speak of peace whilst risking war, and a really big war at that.  I cannot say that economic growth is a bad thing.  But, I do see the benefits of this way of boosting the economy as being illusory for all but the very, very rich, and temporary too, especially as this is the first time Trump has been in a position with no effective bankruptcy option.  I can't even say the opposition would have done much better, I don't believe they would.  But, I can say that Trump's policies, propaganda and intentions are immoral, unprincipled and indefensible.


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Tell an idiot you are his friend and he will support/follow you.  The dumber people are, the slower they are to see the lies.

Add to that the fact that ALL people, even the smartest ones, tend to base their judgements on belief not proof.

Finally, drowning men clutch at straws - and in this pond the alternatives were not a boat, raft or even a log, but just a fairly rotten twig or two.

So, no amount of "crying in the wilderness" or "playing Cassandra" will help one iota in these arguments.  You are probably going to have to simply wait for the big bang.  There have been a few preliminary pops, but deafness is not easily cured either.


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Originally posted by nc_girl nc_girl wrote:

I and the others voted for Trump because he was the ONLY choice when compared to the alternative.  We also read the bible and know from it that sometimes God uses imperfect men to accomplish his goals.  Trump also has pretty much kept his promises (or tried to) and the economy shows it.

The harder the left tries to 'get him' and puts him down, the more likely he's going to have a 2nd term. 

No matter what, he's for America first and that's what we want.  A return to a strong America that other countries look UP to and FEAR.  I'm proud of him and what he's done and will do before he leaves.
 

You are proud of a man who sold out the United States to Russia, a country that has targeted us with its newest ICBM, named "Satan 2"?  



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I and the others voted for Trump because he was the ONLY choice when compared to the alternative.  We also read the bible and know from it that sometimes God uses imperfect men to accomplish his goals.  Trump also has pretty much kept his promises (or tried to) and the economy shows it.

The harder the left tries to 'get him' and puts him down, the more likely he's going to have a 2nd term. 

No matter what, he's for America first and that's what we want.  A return to a strong America that other countries look UP to and FEAR.  I'm proud of him and what he's done and will do before he leaves.


Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

Why Christian conservatives supported Trump — and why they might regret it

https://www.vox.com/2017/10/4/16346800/donald-trump-christian-right-conservative-clinton


Eighty percent of white evangelical voters voted for Donald Trump in the November election.

For many of these self-described “value voters,” Trump was a walking contradiction of nearly everything they claim to believe in — a vulgar, thrice-married real estate tycoon whose brand is built on money, women, and debauchery.

Still, they voted for him. The question is why?


ya lie down with a dog

ya get up with fleas


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a FAILED Christian speaks

Rev. Graham: No President in My Lifetime Has Defended the Christian Faith Like Trump

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-graham-no-president-my-lifetime-has-defended-christian-faith-trump


and in other news

up is down

left is right

and black is white


and Jesus said "grab 'em by the _____"


no wait

that was Trump

the Defender of the Faith LOL


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Why Christian conservatives supported Trump — and why they might regret it

https://www.vox.com/2017/10/4/16346800/donald-trump-christian-right-conservative-clinton


Eighty percent of white evangelical voters voted for Donald Trump in the November election.

For many of these self-described “value voters,” Trump was a walking contradiction of nearly everything they claim to believe in — a vulgar, thrice-married real estate tycoon whose brand is built on money, women, and debauchery.

Still, they voted for him. The question is why?


ya lie down with a dog

ya get up with fleas


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...black helicopters!  LOLLOLLOL

I'm one of the Black Helicopter guys (black Chevy Suburbans is more like it), good luck to those who think they will rise up against the US government.  These guys are as tough as they look. 


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Alabama rep says that if the women are telling the truth about Roy Moore they should be prosecuted

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/10/1714503/-Alabama-rep-says-that-if-the-women-are-telling-the-truth-about-Roy-Moore-they-should-be-prosecuted

war on Christianity ???  LOL

has anyone been following this story and observing how
so called conservatives and so called Christians are tying themselves
into knots justifying and making excuses for Roy Moores child molestation

theres a war going on alright
but it is against commons sense moral values

Christianity is destroying itself by not policing itself
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the percentage of people who self identify as "Christians" is right around 70%
thats an awful lot
personally speaking,despite my head of gray hair I have known only met a few who I would say were truly followers of Christ
I can count them on the fingers of one hand with a couple of fingers left over

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


Mahatma Gandhi (attributed to )
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

WOW !!!

so many FAUX News talking points all in one nice neat bundle LOL
nice neat package with a convenient pull top LOL

I'm not going to waste my time addressing any of them
anyone who is a high information voter is laughing right now

now excuse me
there is a pounding on my front door
and it appears a black helicopter has landed in my front yard
%$^&$#$$ Antifa again?
now where did I put that spray ???LOL


Unfortunately, at least for some, the ones funding the people in the black helicopters are no longer in power - as one of them - James Comey lied to the investigators about many things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Comey

We were better off when most people in the U.S. were Christian - in fact, even many of the immigrants were Catholic and at least believed in God. I would liken this to some great battle in history where dead are strewn from horizon to horizon and you come up to me and say "Oh come on now, Medclinician - where's your sense of humor?"

I have one. And I often watch old Obama clips and chuckle. What a total joke. 8 years of bad road through Hell. Not my idea of a good time.

LOL

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WOW !!!

so many FAUX News talking points all in one nice neat bundle LOL
nice neat package with a convenient pull top LOL

I'm not going to waste my time addressing any of them
anyone who is a high information voter is laughing right now

now excuse me
there is a pounding on my front door
and it appears a black helicopter has landed in my front yard
%$^&$#$$ Antifa again?
now where did I put that spray ???LOL
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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

You can repost what you like Med,but you never answer the question,why don't you have a health system for all,and amurika is known world wide for it's INSANE gun culture......and lack of safe guards when buying a weapon


"I don't know" is an answer. You may not accept that, but I don't. If I were in Congress I could introduce a bill trying to create a better health system. I would be hard pressed to provide care for the huge illegal immigrant population that has totaled health care in California.

I live in the United States - not amurika - which you still - cannot spell. Nor can I justify life in the inner cities where people have guns and without one you are prey to those who do. 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/08/22_amurika.html

This is a dated reference linked to what were and will be social terrorists. Are you part of this group? If so, you are a threat to America (spelled correctly). August 22, 2002 - more than 14 years ago. That is where you should go to read this kind of trash about my country.

You most certainly should check this out.

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/obama-appreciation-thread.1039716/

Left-wing radical (Antifa) are not Christian and currently since a large part of the Christian voter base, voted for Trump - this has become a war. It has nothing to do with health care or guns. In fact, the Anarchists need guns for they are trying to start a revolution. Social Justice Warriors are constantly talking against guns but are violent.

What would I do if I were President or in office and could actually do something?

In terms of guns:

1) I would increase the vetting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vetting
on the sale of any weapon by any pawnshop, store, or other retailer to anyone convicted of a violent crime, on certain medications, with a drug history, or mental incarceration in their past. No guns for these people.

2) All gun shows would have a central database they would search before selling a gun to anyone which still would ensure the privacy of the person. This would be very difficult to enforce.

3) Civilians never need automatic weapons for any reason. It is that simple. Anything more would be to do something illegal, kill large numbers of people, or sell to foreign nationals who then would commit terrorist acts.

This is much easier to do in Australia than America.

In terms of Health Care:

1) Realize we current do not have enough money versus taxpayers to provide a decent health care system when so many are disabled, elderly, or terminal. In these times, we have gone into such a deficit, that something has to be cut and no one wants anything cut.

2) Realize that all the once young who are now old were expected to mostly die and never live to collect anything. Social Security was a Ponzi scheme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme


from the beginning and those who started it are mostly dead or in some sort of book of records. If they were 30 when this started they would be 112 this year.

1935 The 37-page Social Security Act signed August 14 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. Retirement benefits only to worker, welfare benefits started.

3) the bottom line of socialists - and we do not want America to become socialist - is "we deserve to be taken care of".

It is doubtful the model used in Australia or other nations could be well implemented in the U.S. where we such huge minority populations. Let's get into why Australia's Health Care looks so good. Because they ignore their primary minority, the Aborigines, and don't count them in their studies. If they did - they would probably look as bad as the U.S.

https://www.oxfam.org.au/what-we-do/indigenous-australia/close-the-gap/australias-indigenous-health-crisis-in-depth/


A 2007 report by the Australian Medical Association also uncovered evidence of inherent discrimination in our health system. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders do not benefit from mainstream health services to the same extent as other Australians because:
  • Health services are not accessible to many, and particularly remote, Aboriginal communities.
  • Mainstream health services often lack cultural sensitivity and remain unwelcoming places for many Indigenous peoples. The Indigenous health workforce remains disproportionately low when compared to the number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders that make up the Australian population.
  • It fails to address other root causes. More than 200 years of dispossession, racism and discrimination have left Indigenous Australians with some of the lowest levels of education, highest levels of unemployment, poorest health and most appalling housing conditions.

comment: They are no better with their  inhabitants which were there when they came than America and its Native Americans. You were the immigrants. It was their country. You took it.

Although this thread is about the Texas shooting, I have paused to reply to your question and this is the last time I will attempt to answer it. I am not in office, I am not the President and I am not rich or able to change the current system. I do  not believe gang-linking with a group of social justice warriors is going to improve our health care or the gun situation. If there were any need for an automatic weapon, it would be a swarm of violent people trying to kill you and the result would be Anarchy.

The war on Christianity has begun and in my day - when I was younger, our health care system was good. People have ruined it - too many people who are taking and not working and paying to provide it. We didn't have big issues with Cultists sacrificing babies in the South (it happens) or huge Baphomet statues wanting equal time with crosses which are being torn down.

This in Detroit, Michigan - you wonder why there is a religious war beginning?

http://time.com/3972713/detroit-satanic-statue-baphomet/

None of this will make America better. Especially that statue.  The 4th generation is now rising up after World War II and they for the most part have no basic "family" in America.

Perhaps we can have all the people who have illegally entered the U.S. sent to Australia where you will welcome them with open arms and provide them care like you did the Aborigines. It is my thought that given them on your health care statistic, you would fall to one of the lowest levels in industrialized nations and even near one of a third-world-country.

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This guy was a nut, he hated everything including himself. I will now carry when I go to church because there are many who do hate the Christians and I will not allow evil to hurt people. My church has an armed guard at holiday's only but may have an under cover guard at other times, I do not know.

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This is a key article....we have to fear the "war on Christianity" and "black government helicopters are coming to get you" mindset. 

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Wherever Devin Patrick Kelley went after graduating from high school, a trail of violence followed.

Key points:

  • Devin Kelley's former girlfriends say he was a threatening figure
  • He reportedly hit his stepson hard enough to fracture his skull
  • He was incarcerated by the Air Force, denied a gun owner's permit in Texas

Military officials and authorities in three states are piecing together his 10 years of threatening and abusing loved ones that culminated in last Sunday's horror, when the 26-year-old sprayed a small Texan church congregation with bullets, killing 26 people and wounding 20 others.

Kelley grew up in the semi-rural suburb of New Braunfels on San Antonio's fringe, where neighbours found the Kelley family's presence "unsettling".

"Every morning when I would go out to the front of my house … I could hear a lot of gunfire in that direction. It felt like it was next door," Robert Gonzalez told NBC News, saying the volleys would last several hours, often starting as early as 8:00am.

Kelley graduated from New Braunfels High School in 2009, where former classmates have described him as an "outcast" and one, Kayla Shearer, described him on Facebook as "twisted", according to The Independent.

Former girlfriends say he was a threatening figure.

"He ended up assaulting me. He would stalk me by repeatedly calling me — even prank calling me, saying really weird stuff," Katy Landry said in a Facebook message to NBC News.

Kelley's next two years were turbulent.

Enlisting in the Air Force, he was assigned to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, with the responsibility of moving passengers, cargo and personal property in military transportation. He married for the first time in 2011, but that soon ended violently.

Kelley was confined by the Air Force for 12 months after allegations he had abused his wife, Tessa, and reportedly hit his step-son hard enough to fracture his skull.

Tessa Kelley filed for divorce which was finalised in 2012, and two years later Kelley was discharged from the Air Force for bad conduct, and his rank was reduced.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott said after the shooting: "It's clear this is a person who had violent tendencies, who had some challenges, and someone who was a powder keg, seemingly waiting to go off."

Authorities are now investigating how Kelley, incarcerated by the Air Force, and denied a gun owner's permit in Texas, was able to obtain firearms.

There were other "red flags" in Kelley's history.

Back home in New Braunfels in February 2014, sheriff's deputies were called out just after 10:00pm one night to investigate a potential domestic violence case.

Citing a sheriff's office report, Comal County spokesman Paul Anthony said a friend of Kelley's then girlfriend, Danielle Shields, told authorities she received a text message that indicated "Her [Danielle's] boyfriend was abusing her".

The report says Shields reported that "her arms were red" and that Kelley had "told her to pack a bag".

When sheriff's deputies arrived, people at the home said there was a "misunderstanding" and no arrests were made.

Kelley and Danielle Shields were married two months later.

Kelley moved to Colorado later in 2014, registering to vote with an address traced to a mobile home park in Colorado Springs, home to the US Air Force Academy and other Air Force installations.

Court records again show violence.

In August he was charged with misdemeanour animal cruelty. One neighbour told a deputy that Kelley chased a dog, jumped on top of it and struck the dog with a closed fist several times, according to an incident report released on Monday.

Another neighbour said Kelley grabbed the young husky, threw it into the air, then onto the ground and dragged it to his camper.

He was given a deferred probationary sentence and ordered to pay $US368 in restitution. A protection order was issued against him in January 2015, The Denver Post reported.

He apparently moved back to Texas and sought work as a security guard, obtaining a state private security licence in June and getting a job at the Schlitterbahn water park in New Braunfels.

But he was fired after less than six weeks, the water park said in a statement.

He was then hired as a security guard at the Summit Vacation Resort, also in New Braunfels. A manager there, Claudia Varjabedian, told the Associated Press that Kelley "seemed like a nice guy" and didn't cause her any problems.

He worked there for just five weeks before he set his sights on the little church in Sutherland Springs Texas.

He appears to have targeted the church because his wife's family were part of the congregation.

Officials have said Kelley was "estranged" from his wife.

A resume posted online and linked to an email address associated with Danielle Kelley identifies her as a teacher at the church from 2009 to 2013.

Among the responsibilities it listed at the church were to "teach the children about GOD" and "be a positive influence in their life".

In the lead-up to the shooting, Kelley sent his mother-in-law threatening texts. Texas Department of Public Safety Regional director Freeman Martin said there was a domestic situation going on within the family.

Authorities recovered a Ruger AR-556 rifle at the church and two handguns from Kelley's vehicle. They say all three were purchased by Kelley.

Kelley's parents and other relatives did not return numerous messages from The Associated Press seeking comment.

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

You can repost what you like Med,but you never answer the question,why don't you have a health system for all,and amurika is known world wide for it's INSANE gun culture......and lack of safe guards when buying a weapon


I don't know.

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Don't insult my intelligence, Med by expecting a facebook page/twitter feed/loony news from an extremist making wild guesses to be believable; and I won't insult yours.

I assume you were not joking, of course.  If you were I appologise, as I thought you were being serious.

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Originally posted by Medclinician Medclinician wrote:

Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Seriously, Med?  

The guy was a wife beater, animal abuser, child abuser and violent sh1tbag!  He was only at war with his family.  

To think anything else, shows you are reading fantasy, not news.


Are you on Facebook? Have you read his page or looked at the groups he was in. I have. His page is down now - in fact Facebook was down a few hours ago. The media have purged a lot of the Internet of information on this guy.

The most flimsy argument is "but he was crazy". Most people who are mass murderers are just that. Yet the social media now is more powerful than it has ever been in history. People live on Facebook, Skype and in Cyber worlds. They are lost without their smart phones, doing selfies and talking to their friends. He was one of these and crazy or not - followed CNN and listened to their fake news. He support the football players kneeling while they player our national anthem. He posted about this. Do you know this guy... really?  His friends did and also the family - and they have stories that were not even released when Fox and CNN took the ball and entered the game.

A mob is crazy. It is group crazy. And a mob no longer is just driven by someone shouting or a megaphone - it is driven by CNN, Washington Post, The New York Times, and the enemies of America.

Wait and watch - I posted this thread early this morning - in a month - in two months - things will be worse - and this will matter - it is only the beginning.

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Wrong Devin Kelley, Med. Took me all of two minutes to figure that one out. Instead of attacking Technophobe, maybe you should do a little more research before you post links to conspiracy theorists that throw stuff out with caveats like "probably" and "don't quote me on that". 

This is the guy that supports NFL players exercising their First Amendment rights - 

https://www.facebook.com/devin.kelley.3538


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So is mental illness treated free in the USA? or so you have to pay?

Easy question....,And if you have to pay how do you afford to pay if you can't work because you mentally ill
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'Sick in the head': Ex-girlfriends say Texas shooter stalked them


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/sick-in-the-head-ex-girlfriends-say-texas-shooter-stalked-them/ar-AAuvL3J?li=BBnbcA1

Details of Kelley's life, however, painted a portrait of a young man capable of disturbing behavior and, allegedly, violence.

"That was another thing about him — he was very sick in the head...He would tell me very sick strange things," she said, without providing details.



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One of the shooter's victim's was his grandmother-in-law.

No war on Christians, Med. Not even close. That's the kind of ridiculous leap that whackjobs like Alex Jones and David Knight make.

https://secondnexus.com/news/alex-jones-rightwing-media-implicate-leftist-antifa-movement-texas-shooting-conspiracy-theory/?utm_content=inf_10_1164_2&tse_id=INF_250d4fb0c30d11e7b926579f881108d6


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And I don't and never will believe in a God,so being a non believer is no excuse....
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I could get an illegal weapon if I really wanted one,but why would any sane person carry a weapon,but then again I live in a much better place than any yank.....
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You can repost what you like Med,but you never answer the question,why don't you have a health system for all,and amurika is known world wide for it's INSANE gun culture......and lack of safe guards when buying a weapon
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and of course the blithering idiots at FAUX News weigh in
with some obscenely STOOPID comments

Fox News' Ainsley Earhardt: 'There's No Other Place' To Be Murdered Than In Church

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/11/fox-news-ainsley-earhardt-theres-no-other


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"The most flimsy argument is "but he was crazy".

uh oh
someone is in big trouble LOL

directly contradicting our President ???

what the %$^$#@  ???

Trump Says Deadly Texas Shooting Isn’t A Guns Issue, It’s A Mental Health Problem


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-texas-shooting-mental-health-problem_us_5a0004c8e4b0c96530006f16?section=us_politics

I quote our illustrious President
"“This is a mental health problem at the highest level."

“very deranged individual.”

"I think mental health is your problem here."

well at least I agree with Trump on this LOL

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

America a "christian country",

no health care for ALL??????

i just cant get my head around that one ,i mean it just does not make sense,

and this Nutter just wanted his 5 minutes in the press ............

"thats all folks nothing new here move on"

blame everyone apart from your GUN laws ,

comment: This one I will agree with you about. Perhaps logically it would seem that people would use other ways to kill each other...


http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/australia-gun-law-reform-study/index.html

The researchers noticed that after the enactment of nationwide gun law reform in May 1996, there were no mass shootings in Australia. The researchers defined mass fatal shootings as those with five or more victims killed, not including the perpetrator. (U.S. statutes define a "mass killing" as an incident resulting in three or more deaths. The commonly accepted definition -- the one the FBI used up to 2013 -- is a shooting that killed four or more people.)

however while there may be few mass killings the over all violence deaths as a result of guns may increase when people can't protect themselves. The debate will continue as in inner cities a handgun will not do much against an AK-47 assault rifle (Reno - Nevada). Do you need an Uzi or armor piercing bullets to hunt deer? No. A lot of sales occur at gun shows versus stores. Yet, with all of the laws, a person such as Devin Kelley could still get an illegal weapon. People will always be able to get illegal weapons. 

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and your mental health system which  i bet you have to pay for 

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This explains much (I am a serious firearm owner and collector):


Very, very few of the guns in America are used for hunting. Americans who own guns today keep arsenals in a way people did not 40 years ago. It seems plain to me that that’s because they—not all, but many—have given themselves over to fantasies.

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Seriously, Med?  

The guy was a wife beater, animal abuser, child abuser and violent sh1tbag!  He was only at war with his family.  

To think anything else, shows you are reading fantasy, not news.


Are you on Facebook? Have you read his page or looked at the groups he was in. I have. His page is down now - in fact Facebook was down a few hours ago. The media have purged a lot of the Internet of information on this guy.

The most flimsy argument is "but he was crazy". Most people who are mass murderers are just that. Yet the social media now is more powerful than it has ever been in history. People live on Facebook, Skype and in Cyber worlds. They are lost without their smart phones, doing selfies and talking to their friends. He was one of these and crazy or not - followed CNN and listened to their fake news. He support the football players kneeling while they player our national anthem. He posted about this. Do you know this guy... really?  His friends did and also the family - and they have stories that were not even released when Fox and CNN took the ball and entered the game.

A mob is crazy. It is group crazy. And a mob no longer is just driven by someone shouting or a megaphone - it is driven by CNN, Washington Post, The New York Times, and the enemies of America.

Wait and watch - I posted this thread early this morning - in a month - in two months - things will be worse - and this will matter - it is only the beginning.

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America a "christian country",

no health care for ALL??????

i just cant get my head around that one ,i mean it just does not make sense,

and this Nutter just wanted his 5 minutes in the press ............

"thats all folks nothing new here move on"

blame everyone apart from your GUN laws ,

and your mental health system which  i bet you have to pay for 

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Seriously, Med?  

The guy was a wife beater, animal abuser, child abuser and violent sh1tbag!  He was only at war with his family.  

To think anything else, shows you are reading fantasy, not news.
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Originally posted by Satori Satori wrote:

no "humor" intended
funny that you read it that way ???

you will note that the word Christians was in quotes
I assume you can figure out what that means???

comment: I know that Christians are being targeted and beheaded in some nations whether the name is in quotes or not.

and the idea that there is a "war"  AGAIN note the use of quotation marksLOL
is RIDICULOUS
the guy MAY have targeted Christians
but he WAS seriously mentally ill
he violently assaulted his own wife and child
and was arrested for animal cruelty as well

comment: Anyone who kills another person is mentally ill except when people are trying to protect people as in the police or protect our country as in a war. The mentally ill are the most susceptible to left anarchist propaganda and most likely to kill people inflamed by it. It was the groups this man followed on Facebook and the media that honed his hatred of Christians and encouraged him to kill them. 

quit making this more than it is
Antifa ain't the boogey man under yer bed !!!
(and YES,THAT AS meant as humor)LOL

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what is so sad about all these mass shootings is that NOTHING will change
we will get NOTHING but USELESS "thoughts and prayers" from cowardly politicians
comment: The mothers and fathers and family of those murder praying today are not useless. And things will change.

there will be NO common sense gun control reform

comment: It is not the guns, but the sick people that must be helped. If you take away the guns, then people will not be able to defend themselves. If you make guns illegal, then only criminals will have them and when law enforcement cannot respond quickly enough - more people will die. It you take away the guns, they will use knives, gas, explosives, or whatever they can, especially explosives. Imagine a large bomb set off in the church. Everyone would have been killed.


there will be no additional funds for mental health tx,which by the way< is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE
in this country

comment: It is not the responsibility of the executive branch to pass laws. It is duty and legal right and function of Congress to do so. The funds will come from there and any bill can be introduced for mental health care and other preventative medicine. The current Obamacare does not handle this. Perhaps a new form of healthcare would.  This man is a primary example of poor mental health care and effective monitoring when someone is a potential killer.

Trump is actually CUTTING funds
so he can keep his "thoughts and prayers" and put 'em where the sun don't shine
USELESS platitudes

comment: There is nothing to prevent any congress person or senator from introducing better legislation for the mentally ill.
that do NOTHING to address the current mass murder
nor do NOTHING to prevent the next and the next and the next.......


comment: What can be done to prevent more of the same is to focus on the issues which are the root of the problem. No amount of drugs can fix a mentally ill society which is iv fed lies by its mainstream media. This is not about Trump. It is about a current nation on the verge of anarchy and outbreaks of violence. This is only the beginning.  A few days ago Antifa began trying to overthrow the U.S. government.  This is only the tip of the iceberg of what is to come. And be sure no matter how far out in the bush you may be - it will come to Australia just like any other virus and be a threat to you as well.

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