Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
What can be done to save our pets? |
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toms02
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For me one of the best way to do it is to take them always in veterinarian and love them.
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missamor
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Thank you for advices. First of all i won't let my cat go out.
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In case of evacuation:
On the outside of the container list:
your pet's name
your name and address and telephone number
and out of state emergency telephone number
For each pet have your carrier already stocked with:
a collar
a leash
a current shot record.
1 gallon jug of water
blanket to lay on
toy
canned food
manual can opener
Separate Food and Water bowl
any special medications
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SusanT
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I'm not overly concerned about my dog getting infected. To be on the safe side, I think I will use a diluted bleach solution on her paws after being outside if BF is found in the states. If I had a cat, I would be worried about it catching an infected bird and eating it. For me, it is more the H2H2H virus I am afraid of, in which case I do not believe domestic animals will be a factor - it will be people I will fear.
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fab4
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One thing I am going to do for our pets is first, they all come in. I am collecting newspapers for one - for the dogs to go on, and also I will use shredded newspapers in place of kitty litter. I have some kitty litter but not enough $ to stock up on it.
Here's my idea of a dog/cat area outside. I have a pool outside our back door with a high fence. I bought bird netting to cover the top and all sides. The main reason is I have one cat who loves to explore and brings back presents of small animals every time he goes out. I put in the net to try and keep him contained somewhat. It won't be easy, we'll still have to watch him carefully. The area is mostly concrete. It can be cleaned/hosed down and there is a small garden patch the pets can roll around in. This is an area that is not easily visible, and will also be a place we do any cooking outside.
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johngardner1
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I'm sorry you lost your doggy. I have a half min-doberman half chihahua
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ShaRenKa
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I just lost my best friend/companion "Chris" just a mo ago;( He was a 8 1/2 yr old long coat Chiuahuah, and one sunday, I put him out in the kenel for 2 hrs along with our ****z zu "Gizmo" to get air. He seemd fine! Just a little reluctant to go in the kennel, but with a lil coaxing, he went in. 2 hrs later I went out to get them, and there he layed, dead;( He was just at vet not a mo prior for exam and his rabies shot..all was fine. A long time owner of dogs, I have no clue as to what what wrong. The other dog shows no signs at all of being sick, so I ruled out anything contageous. I miss my companion/friend dearly... and sometimes weigh heavily with guilt, wondering if I could have done something had I not put him outside that day. I didn't have an autopsy done..maybe I should of..I don't know. But it has made me rethink more on the care of "Gizzy" during a pandemic..what I will need for her ect...I thought i'd put a 6x6 ft kennel we used for camping down in the basement for her...and would change paper on the floor as needed, so she wouldnt have to go outside. And have stockpiled 3-20 lb bags of food, treats ect as well.Anyone else have any other suggestions here?
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GingerSnap
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Influenza can be successfully treated homeopathically. Doesn't matter whether it is a person or a dog or a cat. It does require you learn how homeopathy works, but it is a ready answer to the concern some may have of what to do if their furfriend gets sick.
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koolsteve
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An interesting thing to think about, that i have been thinking about, is if the BF dosn't wipe out humanity, it may kill off several species that didnt get vaccinated, causing a chain reaction of events inthe food chain. Think about it, if it kills too many birds, theyll be 100x as many worms , bugs etc. than before, if it kills too many cats theyll be 100x rats and mice than before, wich are very good at spreading diesase. iuse your imagination and think about this.
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Merivel
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Hi, I believe dogs cannot get the virus, only cats. and no need to expose the pets to germs, let them go on papers during the times of quarantine. i am going to keep my pets existence a secret from any authorities if they start to have rules about cats like they do about chickens being euthanized. dogs are our best friends, they wouldn't be wanting us put down even though we are carriers of the disease.
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i dream of things as they never were and say "Why not?"
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I read in the news earlier today that somewhere in the East that a family of seven lost six of their family to Avain Flu, caught from person to person. Not too sure, but I think it has began.
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Proudest Monkey
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If a pandemic occurs, wild birds will be the least of my concerns. |
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Luna
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I'm getting confused about the wild bird thing. If the flu mutates to easily infect people it will then be a human flu. Different than the H5N1 that the birds are spreading around. So we'll only be able to get it from other people, not wild birds except in rare cases that don't spread. And, dogs and other animals only very, very rarely if ever get human flus. Only if the human form is somehow transmitted back to wild birds will other birds catch and spread it, and that doesn't seem likely. The only flu virus that dogs have ever caught is the new dog flu that they got from horses. There is one case of possible H5N1 in one dog. Think of all the dogs and cats that have eaten raw infected poultry and so very few of them have caught it and certainly never passed it to people.
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Am I missing something? I thought I was pretty well read on this subject so this has me confused.
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Femvet wrote: ...."The vet will give extra needles, they can also be re-used by soaking them in bleach for at least 10 minutes."
I just learned something. I can soak needles in bleach, WOW! Can I soak the drip assembly, too? The only thing about the needles is that they will get dull - bummer. Thanks for the information. |
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Evergreen
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Know just what ya mean. I've been giving my 18-yr-old Ringers daily since last June. If you get 18 or 19 guage needles, it seems to be okay for him. Smaller size needles mean a super s-l-o-w drip that gets him antsy after a time. I, too, was squeemish about needles. I just had to "bite the bullet" a couple of times to insert the needle and my cat didn't wince at all. I still don't like inserting the needle, but he seems to tolerate it pretty well and he feels so much better afterwards. Also, I order a case of Ringers from my vet (got a 10% discount) and a couple of the IV assemblys that need to be changed out every 2 Ringers. I agree with your concern, it could very well be that Ringers might be in short supply. I'm going to order another case right away. Thanks for the heads up.
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235365 - Energy follows thought. As you think, so you are.
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I thinkyou should test the baggie-bootie combo idea, first --- make sure they won't slip off their paws. With the baggie being on first, the innter layer will be slippery. I've got both, here @ home, but I'm sitting here reading this. I'll give it a try, this morning. You would need to make sure you have nice tight infant socks to stop the slipping!-k I have a Chow/Husky/shepherd mix and she weighs approximately 75 lbs. I fashioned "baggie'booties for her and since she is bigger, baby socks work great at holding the baggie on her feet. If the booties aren't big enough, get preemie socks and if they are too small, get toddler ones. Also, another quick tip to note is to keep their toenails trimmed. I had to trim my dogs' nails before the baggie booties worked well because her toenails kept poking holes in the baggie. I have noticed now that her nails are trimmed blunt, the baggie has held up. As far as the slippery-ness if you secure the baggie on the dogs feet with a cotton type baby bootie sock, then the sock prevents it from being slippery. Another thing you can try is getting the baby socks that have stciky soles to keep baby from slipping on the floor. Of course these booties may be tto big for anyone who has a small dog.
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GrizzlyGirl
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Try places like Walmart, K-Mart, Target and the Dollar Stores. They may not be "Ziploc" but they will definitley do in times of need for dog booties. I found some at a local grocery outlet and they were alot cheaper than the grocery store. Also, make a run to Costco or Sam's club (or maybe even a restaurant supply store) where you can buy baggies in bulk quantities. This should stock you up with plenty of baggies for your pets.
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OH, hon, you go to a vet twice a week for the drip?? Goodness, it it so easy to do yourself, you'll save yourself a fortune!!!! Please, have your vet show you how!! The nice thing is, that you can stock up on supplies for your pet. The vet will give extra needles, they can also be re-used by soaking them in bleach for at least 10 minutes. You will need extra ringers, but since your baby only gets about 100cc's daily, if that much, one last's for quite a while. Find out from your vet how he/she stores them and then figure how how many you will need for the period of time you're prepping for and then add some. You're absolutely correct, ringers will disappear!!!!
As far as your fear of needles - I don't mean to hurt your feelings at all or be rude - but, suck it up! We're all going to have to deal with stuff that scares us. Don't forget the old definition of fear : False Evidence Appearing Real! I'm uncomfortable with needles too, but what's there to be afraid off? They're not going to attack you!!
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I am so very glad to hear that you are comitted to your dogs. I feel the same way about my cats. But, please, don't forget to wipe down their coats with anti-bacterial wipes after they have been outside. Same thing as taking off your clothes.
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I thinkyou should test the baggie-bootie combo idea, first --- make sure they won't slip off their paws. With the baggie being on first, the innter layer will be slippery. I've got both, here @ home, but I'm sitting here reading this. I'll give it a try, this morning. You would need to make sure you have nice tight infant socks to stop the slipping!-k |
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Hi Justme, thanks for the tent idea I will be looking for one soon. I had been racking my brains over how to protect our dogs. With your idea, I don't have to try and build anythings.
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Vet says a 30:1 bleach solution should do the job to disinfect doggie feet. I do like the baby bootie idea and I will go get some this week and try them on them. This still does require purchasing a whole lot of baggies!! I'm gonna watch for the sales on the store brand kind!!
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Be careful what you wipe you dog's feet with because alot of disinfectants are highly toxic to dogs and small amounts can cause liver or kidney failure fairly quickly. ANother option would be to make disposable bootie for your dogs out of baggies and baby booty socks. Just put the baggies on their feet (cut any ziploc off) and then secure it on their feet with a baby bootiy. This way they will still be able to romp and when they come in all you do is drop the booties in some bleach water to ruese again and throw away the used baggies. Hope this helps.
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ReadyMom thanks for the great idea! I've been wondering
how to protect my dog. I have a Great Dane, so the tent idea is out, and going on papers in the house is not an option! |
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I put booties on my Australiain Shep. .... he's allergic to the 'rust' that grows on our grass for a couple of weeks each summer .... I use INFANT BABY Socks! You can buy pkgs of 6 or 8. Look for the tight fitting ones and then you can just wash them in a bleach mix, if you buy white. They work great.
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I forgot to add:
To attach the elastic;
You can either make a casing for it; fold over a 1/4 inch (dont forget to add this to your initial measurement) sew the bottom seam of the hem leaving a small opening to thread the elastic thru. thread the elastic with a safety pin thru the casing .pull to tighten the elastic and sew the elastic together.
Or just use the zigzag on the machine.
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The tent idea is fab! I have an old one I can use and that will solve the doggie problem as far as letting them outside(I have 4) Thanks!
AS far as keeping their feet clean, Dog "booties" are easy to make.
I am working on a pair now. They can be hand or machine sewn depending on your skill level.You can using baby training pants, the kind with terrycloth on the inside and plastic on the outside. The training pants are waterproof and should last thru multiple sanitizing.
Cut out a circle roughly the size of your dogs foot.
gather up and add elastic around the edges to make a little "bag". The terrycloth goes on the inside. Make sure you measure the base of your dogs leg right above the foot and deduct a quarter of that size for the length of elastic you need.plan to use the booties for outside and then remove them after they go out. also plan to drop the used booties off in a pan of bleach and water solution to soak. Dry them out and use them again. Make more than one set for your dog so you can rotate them.
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Very informative website. It answered a question I had intended to post
here about cat food. Almost everything my cats eat contains poultry. It
would be horrible to feed my kitty-girls BF tainted food and then hear
about a recall. According to the website "most commercial cat foods are
cooked above temperatures required to kill H5N1 virus." Of course I
still plan to stock up on kitty food and the sooner I do it the better.
My 4 cats are all indoor-only. They enjoy sitting by the screened back door watching birds flutter around feeders. For now feeding the birds has stopped. My only other immediate concern is caring for one of my two 19-year-olds who has chronic renal failure. I absolutely have to get over my fear of needles- very large needles- and learn to administer the lactated Ringers that she now receives by subcutaneous drip twice a week at the vets' office. Not only do I worry about her picking up a BF infection from other animals, especially when it first appears, but I wonder about the supply of Ringers which is also used to hydrate humans. If there were to be a pandemic I'm sure that the humans would have priority. |
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i like the tent idea and am thinking of putting one up for myself beside it with a sun roof that can be put up and down. cant live without real sunshine daily
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Wonderful job on compiling all the information Gary, thanks for sharing! |
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Good website for cat and dog owners
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Hi all, Very nice website gpolson!! I will read it all later. Thank you.
I love the idea of the tent!! Great idea! They have these sun tents, not camping tents, where they have a top and minimal sides, if any, then you could put some netting across the sides maybe. The walk to the tented/tarped area is an issue if you have large dogs. I have 2 little ones (chinese crested powder puffs) and 1 big standard poodle. I guess one of us could carry him (not fun....70#s) but I thought we could just pour the bleach disinfecting solution over the walk to get to the area, just before he goes on it. Dunno. I have to really read more of gpolson's sight. I just took a quick glance. Does anybody know how much bleach (bleach to water ratio) to use to make it effective but not harmful to the animals? All I know is that the alcohol gel is drying out my hand like mad!! I can only imagine what bleach will do to my dogs foot pads. OUCH!
TTFN fritz :>}
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We recently launched the
Pet Bird Flu Information Center
with full coverage of background information, preparation, prevention and breaking news of bird flu in pets. I think you will find it very helpful.
gary polson
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I have a gecko. I am hoping to be able to take care of her during a pandemic, but honestly if it gets to be a really bad situation, I'd probably just let her go. That would be my absolute last resort option though, and I'd only do it if society gets to the point where there is no or very little social order left.
I know they can go for a week or two without food, since they store fat in their tails. The type of gecko I have is a leopard gecko. They're insectivores and won't eat food unless it's moving. I normally feed her mealworms.
Water is another issue, though. I will prep for her water as well when TSHTF. They cannot drink straight tap water because the chlorine makes them sick, so you either have to purify it or get bottled water.
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Love the tent idea I will be copying it pronto simple convenient doable
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The tent idea sounds like a good idea! I do have a deck, but I think it would be hard to put a cover over it.
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While you're thinking about wiping of the puppies feet when they come inside, don't forget to leave your own "outdoor" shoes outside in a protected place. They think the bird flu that hit the turkey farms in Israel could have come in on farm equipment, or people, right??
"According to the officials, the disease apparently came from Sinai via people who visited Egypt and carried the virus back with them on their shoes, clothing or personal effects. At least one such person was then apparently employed by the turkey farms where the virus first erupted - possibly as a supplier of food or equipment, or as a driver who transported the birds to the slaughterhouse - and he transmitted the virus to these birds"
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We are going to take care of the dogs the same as we take care of each
other. Between myself and my son's family we have 4 dogs. 2 are
pretty old but we think we can get them to go on paper (we have started
saving newspapers) if we put some of their waste on newspaper to get
them started. I think we can make that work. I like the
tent idea, though I don't know how to secure the walk to the
tent. I don't want to walk on anything that can't be washed down
with bleach.
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We have 3 German Shorthaired Pointers. We had 4 but our oldest who was also our first we had to put down in October. I trained her for hunting from the time she was a baby. She was our hunting companion and dear friend. Getting rid of the other 3 which we have also trained from puppies after what we went through in October is not an option. The 2, 3 year olds are our 6 year olds pups. These dogs have to run. So run they will. We have a fenced back yard ½ |
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Get a tent, the biggest you can find (used/new/whatever), pitch it, and cut the floor out of it.... instant outdoor shelter!!! and it allows the pet to have access to the grass/ground. Of course, the grass will die after a while, but at least it should be safer.
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Cindy, do you have a patio or runway? Something that could be covered completely from the top and wire-screened on the sides. Would give your dog access to outside and protect him and you.
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why not cover it with the tarpe?
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I was thinkin of a dog run in my yard with a TARPE COVER. tHE FENCING CAN BE THE CHEAP KIND. i THOUGHT IF i CLEANED IT DAILY WITH A DILUTED BLEACH SOLUTION IN A SPRAY CONTAINER. i MIGHT PUT A TARPE BOTTON AS IT WOULD BE CHEAP AND EASY TO CLEAN.
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