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I just got this in through google and it is the best news repot on avain flu I have seen... Bird flu nightmare needs wake-up callAL AVLICINOYEARS ago when I first started studying the avian influenza virus H5N1, it seemed highly unlikely that it would ever develop into pandemic status. I believed it might eventually trigger a conventional bout of flu, but certainly nothing to the degree of its H1N1 ancestor, the 1918 Spanish Flu that killed 50 to 100 million people. I have followed this virus in its inexorable march towards a pandemic, seen how it kept surprising the experts by picking up more and more human-infectious traits, until now there is virtually no doubt that there will be a worldwide avian flu pandemic and that H5N1 will be responsible for it. < src="http://www.scotsman.com/js/init_250x250.js" =text/> <> var gnEbMinZIndex = 10000; var gfEbInIframe = false; var gEbBAd = new Object(); gEbBAd.nFlightID = 113182; //Interactions gEbBAd.interactions = new Object(); gEbBAd.interactions["_eyeblaster"] = "ebN=http://d.m3.net/ck.php?maxparams=2__bannerid=1807__zone id=95__source=%28other%29%2Fnews.scotsman.com%2Fopinion.cfm% 3Fid%3D142622006__cb=c452bdee8d__maxdest="; gEbBAd.nWidth = 250; gEbBAd.nHeight = 250; var gstrEbRandnum = new String(Math.random()); gstrEbRandnum = gstrEbRandnum.substring(gstrEbRandnum.indexOf(".")+1 , gstrEbRandnum.length); gEbBAd.strNonSupported = "http://bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/NonSupportedBanner.a sp?FlightID=113182&Page=&PluID=0&Width=250&H eight=250&Pos=" + gstrEbRandnum; < src="http://ds.serving-sys.com/Bursting/ebBannerServing_1131 82.js">
< id=ebBannerFlash_0_98231898802584231138461542390 style="BORDER-TOP-WIDTH: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT-WIDTH: 0px; BORDER-BOTTOM-WIDTH: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; WIDTH: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; > >We have all heard the projections from avian influenza experts like Dr Michael Osterholm that in a single flu season as many as 360 million people could die. That figure is unimaginable. It's the total number of dead from the Boxing Day Tsunami every two hours, or a fully loaded 747 crashing every 13 seconds, around the clock for months on end. Three million dead in the UK alone or the equivalent of six Edinburghs. The global integrated economy cannot survive a pandemic of this magnitude. Absenteeism rates of upwards of 75 per cent caused by illness and panic would cripple food distribution, utility access and virtually all other commerce. The bleak vision of surviving on canned food and bottled water in cold, dark homes, fearful of stepping outdoors for months on end, could happen right here in Scotland and around the world. Do not make the error of assuming this cannot happen here. Migratory birds from Western China brought H5N1 to Turkey in early October where it lay undetected until people started dying a couple of weeks ago. Those migratory patterns continue into North Africa and Western Europe. When will H5N1 arrive in Scotland? Judging by the Turkish model, it may already be here. Let's not even consider what can happen when an infected individual arrives at Edinburgh Airport. The 1918 pandemic started in an Army barracks in Kansas. Within one week the virus was present in all 48 contiguous United States in an era where the only modes of transport were trains and horses. The spread of this virus in the jet age is unimaginable. There likely would not be a corner of the Earth where this modern plague would not be present within weeks, maybe days. The virus needs to pick up another trait or two to become as easily transmitted between humans as a common cold. That could happen at any time or it may already have begun. Developing a vaccine against H5N1 is like targeting a clay pigeon. You have to shoot ahead of the target to allow the bullet and clay to intersect. Unfortunately H5N1 is a pigeon that does random, sudden 90 degree turns. It is the ultimate moving target. The time to develop and manufacture a global vaccine is six to eight months. By that time, the avian flu virus will likely have mutated into a form that is immune to the vaccine. Current flu vaccines have no effect on H5N1, and although it is recommended that everyone be vaccinated, we should be clear in the knowledge that should a pandemic start, there is no protection from current vaccines or certainly from antiviral drugs. The antivirals of choice right now are Roche's Tamiflu and Glaxo's Relenza. The UK has ordered more than £200 million of Tamiflu, believing that it could help fend off the pandemic. Unfortunately, Tamiflu is fairly useless as an avian flu pandemic fighter. In a recent Asian study Tamiflu was proven as ineffective as sugar pills against some H5N1 strains. The best use for these drugs is as a preventative, taking at least two doses per day from the moment the first virus arrives in your area and throughout all the months of the flu wave. To provide everyone in the world with this albeit minor preventative measure would require, in a conservative calculation, 650 billion pills or the equivalent to the total weight of the Queen Elizabeth II fully loaded with passengers and cargo just in pure Tamiflu! All we have to do is write a cheque to Roche for one trillion pounds. And it still wouldn't stop the pandemic. Thorough hygiene and other common-sense precautions are the only ways to blunt the impact of this pandemic. Raw poultry must be considered as a biohazard. Surfaces and clothing must be disinfected with bleach. It's time to rediscover the "disinfect everything" policy of the NHS matrons of the 1950s. H5N1 could surprise us all and evolve into a squirrel or koala virus, sparing humanity. However, the chances of that occurring are next to zero. The world is fully unprepared. The onus must shift from wasting billions on "magic bullet" drugs that don't work to preparation and survivability. • Al Avlicino is the author of Beat the Flu: How to Stay Healthy Through the Coming Bird Flu Pandemic, published by Fusion Press, priced £9.99
http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=14262200I read this and this is the first i have seen of any truth... Edited by muskrat |
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I,m trying to get all the jarble out..but can,t and if I go to the printer freindly version I have to sign up...so just skip past the funny stuff
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meewee
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I wonder when people are going to wake up and take this seriously seems like no one wants to hear it and the virus just keeps on keeping on! Meewee |
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God Bless us all!
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Tired
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I think it's a tad premature for him to outright claim that a pandemic
WILL happen soon, and that H5N1 will be the strain. He doesnt know
that. Nobody does!
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Better to be safe than sorry.... |
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Tired, Your point is valid and well stated as a reminder to us all. BUT I have to ask: Are you a bettin' woman? |
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Sophia,
Im not a bettin woman, sorry. I just think it is misguiding and irresponsible for Dr's, scientists, experts, ect for them to claim that a h5n1 pandemic WILL happen. The only one who knows IF this thing is going to go H2H is the big man upstairs........ Who knows though, it could just be the optomist in me trying to break free! |
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Better to be safe than sorry.... |
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add to that gamble that Saudi Arabia has just found 5 flcons that have tested positive..and that Iraq, Iran or Syria have had nothing to say...the big gapping hole in the bottom of the map... |
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You won't have bf in Iraq, Iran, Israel, none of the middle east countries will honestly report it. What ever happened to the sick Israel Soldiers? Do you think the USA will want to report that they have a problem in Iraq? During WW1, the flu was raging in the US camps and still the men were shipped to Europe, think of all who died on the way over, was there ever a count of how many dead were taken off the ships? Was the flu in Germany before the americans came? Did the flu end the war, will it end the war in Iraq? Will we have a pandamic, well we all know the answer to that, Only Time Will Tell.
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Corn
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mmm......now I lay me down to sleep ...I pray..... yea thought I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death.... |
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Angel
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I am a Christian and I truly believe satan has him hand in keeping this info out of the hands of many.
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Angel
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Dang I,ll get in pooh for this: the parable of the weeds |
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Corn
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What is the parable of the weeds? |
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I'm a Christian too, and plagues are going to continue to happen and get worse...fear has to cease to a trust in God...so PRAY we must! Keep praying for protection over your family and protection that the virus will not enter your surroundings even as you prepare for it. I thought I'd have time to get into my new house but NOPE - it's spreading quick. I just read the confirmed death in Iraq was a 15 yr old girl who hated the birds the family had and she never even went near them. Her mom is saying it can not be bird flu...because the experts are reporting you HAVE to come into direct contact to get the virus...HUH??? Well how did she get it if she didn't have direct contact??? What about the lady in China who died and had no contact? She worked in a dried foods store. Looks like this may already be able to spread via air. People aren't panicing - I was at Costco yesterday and it was the slowest I've seen yet. Just wait, it'll be pure panic and mayhem because people believe America is immune...I just don't get it.
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meewee
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Get ready cause TSHTF real quick! Meewee |
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God Bless us all!
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I'm an atheïst and I don't think Satan (or God) have anything to do with this. It's just Nature trying to bat us down... We destroy and interfere too much, thus creating an imbalance. (cutting down the forests, polluting the air, global warming, pumping dry marshes, etc) Nature is always trying to restore the balance and we provide it with enough opportunities .... Marjo |
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There are no athiests in fox holes. We are about to be at war with a flu pandemic and if so will be hunkered down in fox holes. At that time, even athiests will pray. |
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Quote from the Great Influenza Barry The men leaving Grant on that train were jammed into cars with little room to move about....they moved deliberately across 950 miles of the country...When the train arrived over 700 -- one-quarter of all the troops on the train were taken directly to the base hospital... in total two thousand of the 3,108 troops would be hospitalized with influenza... |
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History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of men |
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on one train sent west by the Military in 1918, 3000 troops aboard it, 2000++ became ill and 300+ died. ships where even worse, because once they got to Europe, they then had to recover, the ones that lived. Story talks of how some had to lay on the decks of the ships and when a storm came up they where left there soaking wet, from the waves and rain. Lots died.
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Mmm, this probably isn't the place for a religious squabble, but I bet that there ARE atheists in foxholes.
Not God, not Satan, not Allah, not Buddha. Just reproduction with variation - a virus who's sole function is to reproduce. |
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Jim in Florida
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Consider reading the 6th chapter of the book of revelation in the bible (New Century Version)
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Something about plagues?
Been there, done that. |
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you can also read the 6th chapter of the book of revelations in the King James Version
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I could also read the Bhagavad-Gita, for whatever that's worth. This forum is about viruses, their mutation and evolution, their potential impact on human health and our possible responses. If you want to chat about end-time prophecies, I'm sure there are lots of fora devoted to such matters. For 2000 years, Christians have believed that the end is nigh. They've been wrong every time and will likely be wrong again. |
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if chirstians are so wrong than what happened in 1918? they prophecyed about the h1m1 and it happened. and the flu in 1968 that killed about 100 million people. so next time you wanna go against christians then i think you should read up some more about us.
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Jim and spatchcock, please don't fight with each other. Let's be supportive of each other's views. Now that i've said that, I'll mind my own business.
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i agree i appreciate the comment
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Hey Jim - Welcome to the board! You're going to love the "End of Days" topic in the off topic forum LOL. It's right here. |
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Jackson, and others
Fair enough Sorry Everyone stay safe |
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You can continue your discussion in the new Members Only room. Or in the End of Days posts on the off-topic discussions (like Albert said). I think it is a fascinating subject and am interested in learning more about it. Every has such diverse opinions--- thank you for sharing them. Millie Jackson Edited by jackson |
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thanks man you too i was hoping to give you some guidlines to stay safe not to scare anyone
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sorry, hit the button too soon :-)
I'll bow out of the eschatology debate, maybe check out the latest news. bye for now |
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I didn't mean for you to go to another forum to discuss it. I wanted to let you know about the other topic because I thought it might interest you guys. These threads always take turns. That's what keeps things interesting lol. Again, feel free to discuss any subject on any thread. I personally enjoy watching these discussions.
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Me too.
I didn't mean to offend anyone by my comments. I am sorry if I did. |
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spatchcock come on bsck and welcomr to the forum to the both of you I too look forward to your posts! Meewee |
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CDC - Avian Influenza (Flu) | Current Situation Visit this web-site and it will change the topic real fast..... |
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That is the last time I suggest anything lol.
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damn - did it again
When I was a young male, reproduction wasn't exactly what I had on my mind [virus] who's sole purpose.....nope ....whose sole purpose....nope ....which's sole purpose......ugly ....that's sole purpose......better, but not right Any suggestions? |
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"Soul Purpose" sounds like a great name for a Christian Band.
I love good Christian music. |
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Yeah now is the thime to prep!! Meewee( AuntiE M!) Honey do what you have to do now because I don't want to be out there hollerin for ya in the tornado! |
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Ella Fitzgerald said: "CDC - Avian Influenza (Flu) | Current Situation Visit this web-site and it will change the topic real fast....." Sorry, is something new on the CDC site? Couldn't see it. |
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SummaryInfluenza A (H5N1) is an influenza A virus subtype that occurs mainly in birds, is highly contagious among birds, and can be deadly to them. Outbreaks of H5N1 among poultry are ongoing in Asia and parts of Europe. While H5N1 does not usually infect people, human cases of H5N1 infection associated with these outbreaks have been reported in Asia and Europe. Most of these cases have occurred from direct or close contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces; however, a few rare cases of human-to-human spread of H5N1 virus have occurred, though transmission has not continued beyond one person. Nonetheless, because all influenza viruses have the ability to change, scientists are concerned that H5N1 virus one day could be able to infect humans and spread easily from one person to another. Because these viruses do not commonly infect humans, there is little or no immune protection against them in the human population and an influenza pandemic (worldwide outbreak of disease) could begin. Experts from around the world are watching the H5N1 situation in Asia and Europe very closely and are preparing for the possibility that the virus may begin to spread more easily from person to person. Human H5N1 Cases
Animal H5N1 Cases
Assessment of Current SituationThe avian influenza A (H5N1) epizootic (animal outbreak) in Asia and parts of Europe is not expected to diminish significantly in the short term. It is likely that H5N1 infection among birds has become endemic in certain areas and that human infections resulting from direct contact with infected poultry will continue to occur. So far, the spread of H5N1 virus from person-to-person has been rare and has not continued beyond one person. No evidence for genetic reassortment between human and avian influenza A virus genes has been found; however, the epizootic in Asia continues to pose an important public health threat. There is little pre-existing natural immunity to H5N1 infection in the human population. If these H5N1 viruses gain the ability for efficient and sustained transmission among humans, an influenza pandemic could result, with potentially high rates of illness and death. In addition, genetic sequencing of influenza A (H5N1) viruses from human cases in Vietnam and Thailand shows resistance to the antiviral medications amantadine and rimantadine, two of the medications commonly used for treatment of influenza. This would leave two remaining antiviral medications (oseltamivir and zanamivir) that should still be effective against currently circulating strains of H5N1 virus. Efforts to produce vaccine candidates that would be effective against avian influenza A (H5N1) viruses are under way. However, it will likely require many months before such vaccines could be mass produced and made widely available. Research suggests that currently circulating strains of H5N1 viruses are becoming more capable of causing disease (pathogenic) in mammals than were earlier H5N1 viruses. One study found that ducks infected with H5N1 virus are now shedding more virus for longer periods without showing symptoms of illness. This finding has implications for the role of ducks in transmitting disease to other birds and possibly to humans as well. Additionally, other findings have documented H5N1 infection among pigs in China and H5N1 infection in felines (experimental infection in housecats in the Netherlands and isolation of H5N1 viruses in tigers and leopards in Thailand). Notable findings of epidemiologic investigations of human H5N1 cases in Vietnam during 2005 have suggested transmission of H5N1 viruses to at least two persons through consumption of uncooked duck blood. One possible instance of limited person-to-person transmission of H5N1 virus in Thailand has been reported. This possibility is being further investigated in other clusters of cases in Vietnam and Indonesia. The majority of known human H5N1 cases have begun with respiratory symptoms. However, one atypical fatal case of encephalitis in a child in southern Vietnam in 2004 was identified retrospectively as H5N1 influenza through testing of cerebrospinal fluid, fecal matter, and throat and serum samples. Further research is needed to ascertain the implications of such findings.Bird Import BanThere is currently a ban on the importation of birds and bird products from H5N1-affected countries. The regulation states that no person may import or attempt to import any birds (Class Aves), whether dead or alive, or any products derived from birds (including hatching eggs), from the following countries: Cambodia, Indonesia, Japan, Laos, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, Peoples' Republic of China, Romania, Russia, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, and Vietnam (current as of December 29, 2005). TravelUpdated Information for Travelers about Avian Influenza A(H5N1) is available at the CDC Travelers’ Health Web site. Also see Guidelines and Recommendations - Interim Guidance about Avian Influenza A (H5N1) for U.S. Citizens Living Abroad. CDC ResponseDomestic Activities
International Activities
CDC is monitoring the situation closely, along with WHO and other international partners. In addition, CDC continues to work collaboratively with WHO and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) on the development and testing of vaccine seed candidates for influenza A (H5N1).
NOTE: The World Health Organization (WHO) maintains situation updates and cumulative reports of human cases of avian influenza A (H5N1). Page last modified February 3, 2006 |
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