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Important information on heat during winter months. Alternative heat sources and safety issues. |
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Originally posted by woffman: this is a very easy to make little heater/stove. It only takes 6 items to make it. 1. a one quart metal paint can with lid unused. Can be purchased at any auto parts store that mixes paint. 2. isopropyl alcohol at least 2 pints worth. 3. Toilet paper (I bet Albert is getting excited at another use for his supply). 4. plastic funnel large enough so you can fit a quart paint can upside down in. 5. book of matches 6. a quarter directions 1. take the cardboard inner liner out. Save it for making fire starters. 2. squeeze the roll of TP till you can put it in the quart paint can. Leave the center hole so that it faces up. 3. fill the center hole with more toilet paper from another roll. 4. pour one pint of the alcohol into the paint can. the first pint should fit in and get soaked up very fast. 5. start pouring the second pint in until the alcohol is at the top of the can. Let it set for 4 or 5 minutes then add some more. After it has soaked up all it can turn the can upside down into the funnel. Let it drain back into the first alcohol bottle. 6. seal the paint can with the lid 7. tape the book of matches and the quarter to the top of the paint can Instructions for use. Pop the top open with the quarter. Light with the matches and you have a nice little heater or stove. You can use the lid of the can to control the flame. You can get up to 12 hours of use if you keep the flame very low. They will store for about a year before going bad. I make up some at the start of winter then just discard them in the spring. They work very well for emergency heat in a car. OK now for the disclaimer. If you are a complete idiot and start your house, dog, cat, car, or self on fire the author is not responsible. |
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This probably wouldnt last long but, you can burn all that tree chipping and shaving type mulch in your landscaping.
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I make logs, for my woodstove, out of newspaper. I purchased a newspaper rolling machine from Lehmans. I made a few mods to the machine and the process. First I added a rolling pin to the top of the shaft with two small bungies. This allows for one person to operate the machine and keep tension while adding sheets. I field strip the newspaper down to separated sheets and remove the coated stock inserts. I start with single sheets. They're easier to work with as opposed to double folded sheets. I crank each sheet in, leaving about 4-6" of the end exposed. I then underlap the next sheet. With practice, you can crank out a log in under ten minutes. |
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I have read that a dryer drum..would also be good for this..and of course we all have dryers... I would use my dryer drum and I have a fire pit in my back yard surronded by meduims sized rocks..I would use the rocks around the dryer drum..and this would be set up on my concrete floor in the basement..and I would use the shell on the floor to stop to much heat and then I have gas forced air and would use some of this piping to ventalate..I know it sounds hazardous, but I would prefer this over freezing to death...I have stored firewood in my shed, not much, but enough to heat a bit... |
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Don't forget to stock up on matches! I have been buying all I find.
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we have been using a barrel stove for years at work, now have one at home, works great, husband welded a plate on top to put kettle for steam, can also cook on top if needed. whatever you do, just make sure wood is dry ( look for cracks in logs ) if its too wet or not cured it can cause buildup that can lead to a fire. and please have your chimney checked by a prof. just to be sure its ok...
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I added a Caframo Ecofan 802 to the top of my stove. It creates DC current from heat. It starts turning at 150 degrees. (full speed, 150 CFM, around 400 degrees) It really works! I'm thinking of getting another one. |
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I just purchased a heavy duty down comforter for half price, $150.00, as it's February. It should keep you toasty warm. A hat and down slippers can keep in alot of body heat. One winter we had a severe ice storm, electricity was out, our fireplace sent 80% of the heat up the chimmey, we were so cold, so we took a few large stones, heated them in our fireplace, and placed them in coffee cans, they gave off lots of heat, drastic but effective. When you're very cold, any heat helps. I believe in the old days folks put them in their beds! MK |
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my mom did that with bricks wrapped in newspaper and put them in the foot of our beds during a blizzard when we had no power for a week in 1978. I still remember how toasty my feet were!
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I not so much worried for this winter as I am for next. I'm in the south so we have decent temps especially this year. I have heard of stories of using hot rocks in bed to keep warm. I've also concluded that if we are without electricity and a cold front comes through then I'm going to confine the family to one room lined with down comforters on the walls and ceiling. I've noticed that my closet is always one of warmest rooms in the house. It is lined with clothes. Heck this could become our "warm room". Small spaces warm up with 4 bodies in it pretty quickly. I'm too 'chicken' Heck with natural gas prices I might as well start now and save money to buy rations. |
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Ella, you could use one of those campfire popcorn poppers (cleaned really well or unused I would think or you will be dreaming of popcorn) and fill it with hot embers or hot coals and place it between the sheets as a bed warmer just like they did in colonial times. The popper is metal and the handle is wooden.
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I will be using the following amoung other things such as the Nuwick Candle: (If you want more heat just put another wick in it or it can be used to cook with) Example: Can get just the blanket kind or: A special design blanket or poncho that utilizes the proven thermal and weather protective benefits of the original Space® Brand all-weather blanket material. Contoured hood fully protects ones head, and fitted hand inserts all make for a light compact design. 5’ x 6’ in Olive Drab. Reinforced and center grommeted with all edges bound. Great ground cover, retains 80% body heat, lightweight, can use as a solar shade, and much more! Made in the USA. Edited by KillerFlu.net |
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Get a hot water bottle from any drug-store. Made out of rubber, cost about $6 and last pretty much forever. Fill it about 2/3 with boiling water, push the air out (very important!!) and seal it tight with the stopper. I'm from Europe initially and everyone uses them. You'll be nice and toasty in no time ! Also perfect for anytime someone has fever-chills.
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I apologize if anyone has posted about this before. A cheap way to keep warm...buy a fire blanket. These are the kind you get in the case there is a fire and you need to shield yourself. From experience in emergency management, fire blankets are great and can be inexpensive. A good one utilize your own body heat to keep a steady temperature under the blanket. Chris |
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I have recently purchased a number of propane items. Two lanterns, 2 burner stove, 1 burner stove, indoor catalytic heater, and all maner of hoses, y connectors, fittings and 4 20 lb propane tanks and 2 cases of one lb tanks Many years ago when I worked with plumbing and high pressure pumping systems we always used Teflon tape on the threads at the joints to eliminate leaks by making the threads fit tighter. |What I cant seem to find out is if this is a good idea with propane systems. Sure dont want flamable gas leaks. I know u can find leaks with soapy water but would rather not have them to start with. The teenagers and managers at the sporting goods and plumbing stores were singularly ignorant and/or unhelpful. Anybody out there know if this is a good idea or dangerous or unnecessary or what??? Please, no guessing, knlowledge only. By the way I was able to buy a handy little fitting at the Harbor Freight store for refilling 1lb disposable cylinders from 20 lb or larger tanks. cost about $16.00. Also would appreciate any other insights on using propane fuled devices as I never have been much on recreational camping.( burned out on it in the Marine Corps I guess) Semper Fi ! |
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We have gas and electric at our home. What are the chances that this will not be available during a pandemic in the US? Should we really be stock piling wood with the thought of converting our gas fireplaces? |
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Hope, Most utilities require daily monitoring and maintenance. How many essential personnel will show up for work during a raging H2H pandemic? I'm not sure myself... but I have to believe it will be, at best, a skeleton crew. Areas that are served electricity underground have a better chance of surviving maintenance issues. We have utility poles and a butt-load of trees. No gas service but plenty of grill propane. I also converted my fireplace to a wood stove, added basic solar power to run the fans, and will store about 4-5 cords of wood for next winter. |
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We have heated with wood for years now so we have an older cast iron wood stove. It is a Timberline model that has two doors that swing open in the front. It has a flat top on it and I have used it to cook on in past winters when the power went out.
This woodstove heats the majority of the house but we can block off rooms that wouldn't need heat. We can also move a mattress into the livingroom for sleeping. The one thing that we need to keep on hand is more fuel for the chainsaw (we cut our own wood) and extra parts for the chainsaw. Plus it wouldn't hurt to get extra wood stacked up. |
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Hope I would rather take my chances in the winter with a wood burning stove. If you can afford to have it converted I would. The less dependent we are on the system the better off we will be.
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This reminds me of looking for a house last week. The first house was beautiful, but had no fireplace so I didn't buy it. The next had a gas fireplace so I skipped it as well. There's nothing more efficent and sensible than a woodstove. We used ours for 20 years of winters and it heated our home quite well, plus saved us about $500.00 a year in heating bills. It has well paid for itself. Daydreamer, great idea about the extra firewood and chainsaw fuel............I forgot about that! Dang, there's just too much stuff to remember! I did store up a huge bag of pine cones, ....great fire starters. Also any recycling bin is a good resource for newspaper to wrap the pine cones with. I usually find dozens of unused papers that stores throw away. {Don't touch the stuff that's been used.} Mary Kay |
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We don't have access to pine cones here unless we buy them at a store so we make our own fire starters. We take a cardboard egg carton. Fill up each section with dry sawdust (from when we are cutting wood). Then we take a cheap candle and melt it down. We pour the liquid wax over the sawdust in each of the sections. Let it dry and when you need one, you just break off a section and there you do. They burn for a long time.
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Daydreamer, that sounds like a neat idea.
Do you fill each with enough wax to entirely coat the sawdust? Do you stir it? I've got plenty of old wax from candles so this is a great cheap way to keep warm. Thanks! : ) Mary Kay |
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Sorry I didn't get back to this one sooner Mary Kay. We fill each of them enough to completely cover the sawdust. We've never stirred them before. I just make sure the all the sawdust is covered on the top with wax. As it hardens you can see where you missed and just pour a little more on that area.
These fire starters have worked well for me for several years. I hate having to start a fire with small twigs and such. I can but I'm lazy and don't like to take the time.
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Great idea Daydream. We have used the kind you buy at the store in the past. Guess they will be out of those! Do you use the recycled paper egg cartons, and then just rip it off? We have found that keeping our wood stove going is very easy. It keeps the coals for a long time. It was definitely the best forward looking investment that we made. We have been able to heat the whole house. I also like the way it looks. We got one of the off white porcelain ones that looks very European. Matches my decor quite well. When i look at it sort of disguises the fact that we have gone SURVIVALIST!!! It looks very pretty tucked into my brick fireplace. Friends remark how pretty it is, they have no idea it was a BF investment!!!
We also bought a few Mr. Heater Buddy heaters. They work of of one or two small propane cylinders. The larger model has a fan run with 4 D cell batteries. The run for quite a while, and each unit has a low oxygen shut of system. They are approved for use indoors. That is only with the 1 lb cylinders though. You can hook it up to a twenty lb tank, but you need a hose and must keep the tank outside. We bought a bunch of cases of fuel to use for the heater, as well as cooking. We are having carbon monoxide detectors installed into our security system which will run on solar back up.
I do know that they sell battery ones as well. I think this is a good precaution to take with using propane in the house!!
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Diane~yes, we use the recycled paper egg cartons. Once they have the wax in them, they break off very easily. We usually manage to keep a fire in our stove all the time but I've had the occasion that the coals weren't hot enough to get it going very well. I'd just throw one of these on the coals and they'd either catch that way or I'd light them. I wouldn't go through a winter without at least an 18 pack of these. I believe we currently have 5 of the 18 packs so I should be good for quite a while, unless we use them to start our cooking fires outside in the fire pit. I may need to get more made.
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I have propane to heat with, also a backup wood stove. BUT, I did not see any mention of a kerosine heater. I have one and it heats for about twelve hours on a gallon of kerosone. And kerosine will last for years without going bad.
I have a 55 gallon drum, and extra wicks for the heater.
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Daydreamer thank you for the fire starter tip. I made some a couple days ago and they turned out great. I didn't have sawdust so I used some hamster bedding (new of course) and worked perfectly.
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You mentioned that you have utliitiy poles? I hope you are not using those for firewood. They are treated with some nasty chemicals. Creosote is one and the other is a copper based preservative. Thanks! |
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I bought a 55gallon metal drum for fuel. where can I buy clean burning kerosene for my keresene heater for cheap.
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Setting up a tent in your house reduces the amount of space needed to heat if you lose power/heating capability. Just pretend you're camping. . . Don't forget to drain the water lines so they don't freeze
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Lowes Home Improvement has 100lb Propane tanks for (US) $80.00
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REMINDER: Get your chimney swept (cleaned) and service your furnace now.
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I have the impression that the 100# propane tanks use different fittings and hoses than the standard barbeque 20# tanks. Is that correct, and if so, are there adaptors available so you can use 100# tanks with things like a Coleman stove or a Mr. Heater Buddy heater? Thanks for any info. |
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Planning to use a small propane heater in large tent for extended family. With ventilation, is a propane heater any problem re. carbon monoxide? Rocky
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Excellent idea, I hadn't thought of that!
How do you drain the water lines??
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. . Brad, I haven't filled it up yet. . . I'll get back when I do. I know that adapters are available if required. . . Gilmore . . |
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First shut the water off to the entire house. Can be done at a valve near the meter (probably near street) or there should be a valve just before water enters your home. Find the lowest AND highest point in your water pipes where there are valves. Open the highest one. This will bleed off any pressure that remained in the line after you shut off the entire house. Then, open the lowest valve and HOPEFULLY most of the water in between will drain out. . . This won't be completely drained because of elbows (90 & 45's) that may be higher / lower. Then if you are really ambitious, force air into the "highest" valve to push remain water out. Then, again if you even more ambitious, use a wet / dry shop vac and suck the air / water out of the "lowest" valve. Then, open and close ALL the valves in the house to get anything that was in a "riser" that didn't get drained. Make sure you do both hot and cold water lines. Also make sure you empty the water heater. Also the hose faucets outside your house. . . WHEW, Gilmore . . |
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I always wondered how to do that! Thanks so much for the info!! It was worth the 'Whew'!!!-k
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In my opinion the use of propane heaters in an enclosed area is potentially VERY dangerous. Most common, small propane heaters (like the Coleman and Century models) are not rated for indoor use, and they can kill you. Other propane heaters (like the kinds used in homes, houseboats, motorhomes) have catalytic converters (I believe) and are rated for indoor use. By far the most common kind of small propane heaters that are rated for indoor use are the Mr. Heater Portable Buddy and Big Buddy models. They give off small amounts of CO and have low-oxygen sensors, and with a bit of ventilation they're pretty darn safe. I've used my Portable Buddy indoors many times. You can connect them to the small 1# propane canisters (from Target or WalMart or tons of other places), or get an adaptor hose and feed them from a 20# "barbeque-type" of propane tank. |
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I am from the south and while I do not currently have fireplace or woodstove, fatlight as it is called in the south is a great kindling. It comes from the decayed stump of a pine tree and has concentrated oils in it and you can sometimes just light the end of it with a cigarette lighter.
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hi to all, i want to buy a wood burnig stove in the next couple of months, one that will not put me in the poor house, i like to be able to heat the downstairs 4 rooms of my house ,and be able to heat or make water hot on it ,cooking on it would be great, novice buyer here .any body got any reconmendations , I live in connecticut,if all else fails we have a small pot belly stove in storage, but if no oil for furnice, and i believe the price of oil will be out of this world this winter , i'd like to have something reliable thanks for any help you can post roxy
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Home Heating in an Emergency: http://muextension.missouri.edu/explore/hesguide/housing/gh5117.htm |
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thank you irene,i copied the site and will put it my prep binder.great infro for beginners and they also have infro on green houses that i always need roxy , thanks again
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