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CLICK ON ABOVE LINK TO WATCH THE VIDEO REGARDING THIS NEW "BILL" ..... About This Video Title: Rapid ResponsePublished: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 Description: Pandemic bill gives power to quarantine people; but is it constitutional? |
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Unfortunately... if you have to leave your home....in order to work, you will be expected to be vaccinated... (you can read that) I can't picture house to house forced vaccination. It
seems insane...otherworldly, SCI FI.... so the Questione needs to be asked...Hello
Newspeople? Hey...Diane Sawyer...
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MassLPA.Org Puts State Senators on Notice Thirty-Six MA Senators Voted for Sweeping Legislation Without Reading the Bill ...............................
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Take a look at the reaction of the Tea Party State....
Anyone Covering it?
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Neighborhood Outreach Vaccine Awareness Campaign (NOVAC)
Posted Friday August 14, 2009 at 12:37 pm by Bob Dwyer (district 4)
"Stop the Shot" Emergency Citizens Petition |
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Leave it to the Democrats to take our Rights away. Time to dump the Dems folks!!
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Why just dump the demos, we have a one party system with two heads. Since bush left, has the wars ended? nope, just like the president promissed, or did he say they were ending? did the bank bailouts end, nope just more of the same. did the wasteful spending stop, nope just more and more and more of the same.
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I could not agree with you more....."meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
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"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival." - W. Edwards Deming
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There just the same snake with two heads!!!Whoever pays them the most they well listen to!
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Something wicked these way comes!!
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While I can NOT grab on to any belief that Governments are 'out to get us.'
I do feel that there are a lot of very stupid people in charge of Big decisions and
Barrels of taxpaer's dollars. It is the responsibility of the people ... to empower
an intelligent Congress who... can READ or pay attys to READ for them the legislation that
so effects our lives. Wake up Congress... smell the air of a new Era .... a constituency
with brains ....keeping you all on your toes.
Something Worth Reading...
From the March 2005 Idaho Observer:
Squalene: The next wave of global pharmacological warfare
Fish oil vaccine adjuvant programs bodies for "endless loop of self-destruction"
by The Idaho Observer
result of vaccination.
Most people understand that both aluminum and mercury are toxic. It is our body’s reaction to toxic exposure that vaccine advocates measure to determine vaccine efficacy. That elevated levels of mercury and aluminum can cause side-effects worse than the disease is not a consideration for most pro-vaccinators.
The new wave
West, who is director of the Vaccine Risk Awareness Network in Winlaw, BC, Canada, published the comprehensive, well-footnoted article
"A Look into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants."
The article explains that modern, synthetic or recombinant vaccines are "purer" and less toxic to the body than their live and dead virus predecessors
and, therefore, require more potent adjuvants to illicit an immune response.
"This has created a major need for improved and more powerful adjuvants for use in these vaccines," the article,
Vaccine Adjuvants: current state and future trends, published in the medical journal "Immunology and Cell Biology" stated.
Under this line of logic, alum is scheduled to be phased out and replaced with oil-based adjuvants such as squalene-an essential fatty acid derived from fish.
Squalene
"The most effective adjuvants are formulated with oils but have long been considered too reactive for use in humans.
Immunologists have known for decades that a microscopic dose of even a few molecules of adjuvant injected into the body can cause disturbances in the immune system and have known since the 1930s that oil-based adjuvants are particularly dangerous,
which is why their use has been restricted to experiments with animals," West wrote.
The following (in italics) is from West's article. Keep in mind that the FDA determined that squalene was present in varying amounts in specific lots of anthrax vaccine administered to tens of thousands of Desert Storm personnel (without their informed consent). Not surprisingly, tens of thousands of Desert Storm veterans have suffered permanent neurological damage and exhibit symptoms commonly referred to as "Gulf War Illness."
"The classic oil-based adjuvant called Freund's Complete Adjuvant can cause permanent organ damage and irreversible disease - specifically autoimmune diseases. When scientists want to induce autoimmune disease in a lab animal, they inject it with Freund's Complete Adjuvant, which causes great suffering and is considered by some too inhumane to even inject into animals.
"Dr. Jules Freund creator of this oil-based adjuvant warned in 1956 that animals injected with his formulation developed terrible, incurable conditions: allergic aspermatogenesis (stoppage of sperm production), experimental allergic encephalomyelitis (the animal version of MS), allergic neuritis (inflammation of the nerves that can lead to paralysis) and other severe autoimmune disorders.
"Adjuvants can break 'tolerance,' meaning they can disable the immune system to the degree that it loses its ability to distinguish what is ‘self’ from what is foreign.
Normally, the immune system ignores the constituents of one's own body. Immunologists call this 'tolerance.' But if something happens to break tolerance, then the immune system turns relentlessly self-destructive, attacking the body it is supposed to defend."
For national security
The issue becomes more complicated with oil-based adjuvants that resemble oils found in the human body. West reported that seasoned journalist Gary Matsumoto found evidence to suggest that, "…when an oil is injected, the immune system responds to it not only specifically, but with heightened intensity because the oil adjuvant resembles so closely the natural oils found in the body.
A 'cross reaction' then happens, sending the immune system into chaos destroying any oils found anywhere in the body that resemble the adjuvant oil. Demyelinating diseases like multiple sclerosis are an example of this destructive autoimmune process."
Matsumoto's impeccably-referenced and footnoted book is entitled, "Vaccine A-
The Covert Government Experiment That’s Killing our Soldiers and Why GI’s are Only the First Victims." West noted that Matsumoto, who was the first journalist to break the story of squalene-containing anthrax vaccine’s link to Gulf War Illness, documented decades of secret medical experimentation on Americans without their knowledge or consent. "The unethical experiments detailed in this book are ongoing, with little prospect of being self-limiting because they have been shielded from scrutiny and public accountability by national security concerns," wrote Matsumoto.
Biological time bomb
Squalene is an oil that is readily digestible if taken orally. However, it behaves much differently when injected. Matsumoto cites data from more than two dozen peer-reviewed scientific papers from 10 labs located in countries all over the world that document how squalene-based adjuvants can trigger the development of autoimmune diseases in lab rats, mice, guinea pigs and rabbits.
Regardless of the known toxic effects on animals and the toxic effects on humans as experienced with squalene-containing vaccines given to Desert Storm personnel, Matsumoto claims, "Squalene adjuvants are a key ingredient in a whole new generation of vaccines intended for mass immunization around the globe."
Among the chronic conditions observed in human and animal test subjects injected with squalene are rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis and lupus.
In her article, "The Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines" (Nexus Magazine Dec. 2000), Australian vaccine researcher Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., lists the autoimmune diseases that have been linked to squalene injections in humans-
arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.
But that, believe it or not, is the good news because its merely describes squalene's experimental contribution to global epidemics of chronic autoimmune dysfunction. Once it becomes a common ingredient in vaccines (already, the squalene-based adjuvant MF59 is a component of the Italian flu vaccine FLAUD), it will be best described as a biological time bomb.
Our own worst enemy
From Edda West: "The immune system does in fact 'see' squalene and recognizes it as an oil molecule native to the body. The key is 'route of administration.' As Gary Matsumoto says, 'Squalene is not just a molecule found in a knee or elbow - it is found throughout the nervous system and the brain.' When it is injected into the body, the immune system sees it as an enemy to be attacked and eliminated.
"As any immunologist will tell you, the way an antigen encounters the immune system makes all the difference. You can eat squalene - no problem as it is an oil the body can easily digest. But studies in animals and humans show that injecting squalene will 'galvanize the immune system into attacking it, which can produce a self-destructive cross reaction against the same molecule in the places where it occurs naturally in the body - and where it is critical to the health of the nervous system.'
"This phenomenon is also known as 'molecular mimicry,' where
the immune system forms antibodies against one of its own
structures and will continue to attack the 'self' molecule in the
body that resembles the one in the germ, or as is the case with
squalene, an identical substance that is naturally present in the
body. Once this self-destructive process begins, it never stops
as the body continues to make the molecule the immune
system is now trained to attack.
"Another example involving autoimmune ‘molecular mimicry’ is when the immune system has been sensitized to attack myelin, the insulating fatty coating around nerve fibres which insures the smooth relay of nerve signals. The body would continue to make myelin in order to replenish and repair the protective sheath around its nerve endings. But says Matsumoto, 'In the act of doing so, the body immunizes itself against itself, administering over and over again what amounts to a booster dose of something that the immune system now wants to get rid of.
This vital constituent (myelin) is now the enemy, and the immune system is now programmed to obliterate it in an endless loop of self-destruction-the process involved in MS (multiple sclerosis), and ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease).
"Squalene is a kind of trigger for the real biological weapon: The immune system. When the immune system's full repertoire of cells and antibodies start attacking the tissues they are supposed to protect, the results can be catastrophic," wrote Matsumoto. Dr. Pam Asa concurs with Matsumoto when she stated," Oil adjuvants are the most insidious chemical weapon ever devised."
West continues, "The main proponents for the use of squalene in vaccines have been the U.S Department of Defense and the NIH. The anti-squalene antibodies found in sick American and British military personnel are evidence that military experimentation has caused an unprecedented health catastrophe in tens of thousands of people onto whom the vaccine was forced and who were denied the right to make an informed decision based on existing scientific knowledge of the dangers of injecting squalene."
Based upon decades of research in animals and humans, once oil-based adjuvants become the most common adjuvant contained in vaccines, there will be no way the pharmaceutical industry will be able to claim mass vaccination is necessary to prevent the spread of infectious diseases-it will be an open declaration of war on mankind. "By adding squalene to their new anthrax vaccine, they did not make a better vaccine, they made a biological weapon," Matsumoto observed.
To fully appreciate the imminence of the next wave of pharmacological warfare set to be unleashed on the world, send $5 to VRAN (see ad this page). You will receive the 4,700-word article, complete with references, as it appears in the Spring, 2005 edition of the VRAN Newsletter-one of the world’s most cutting edge vaccine information news digests. Consider the rest of this insightful and informative newsletter a bonus.
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Why in the world would you titlle this blog and make it look like Fox News is "pushing" for forced quarantines. Did you watch the cliip at all, the host and the guest the Judge were both against that, and they explained why it was not legal. Fox News is against forced quarantines, not pushing for them, but the exact opposite.
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I have spoken to this person on the phone and know who this is. I received some of the most incredible propaganda insanity I have ever read. I have been personally threatened and my child and notice some are still on board on this site. Pictures of me and my family have been sent with true craziness by people who are members here and are still in the fold.. just under different handles. Paranoia. I have the emails. I would not be at all surprised aka information control if that is part of what has swept in here and tried to take over the site as well as troll me to death. When I started ripping up the incredible conspiratory garbage, letters sent to pull me into anti-government groups, anything to tie me into something bad- contact gets cut. I won't buy into insanity. But I will buy into science. New World order? Yep.. their out there- people smuggling illegal ammo over the Massechusettes border- yep we have groups of paramilitary types getting ready when stuff hits. You realize Mary - eventually all the soothing, its not a problem posts are going to fall apart, and we are going to have to face the real deal. The stuff I got from Brazil was nasty. People know what is going on- and they are aware the virus has mutated. This means it could probably not work at all. I have been singing the same song pretty much for 3 years. Before there was a Pandemic I was saying not if, but when. At some point, the forces behind the scenes are going to have to go transparent. We may not tumble in this particular pass of the flu- but mixing h5n1 and h1n1 in a .gov lab is suicide. You take one of the highest path killers, knowing our entire infrastructure cracks at 4% with a 60-83% CFR and mix is with a recombination of a virus that is 6x more contagious than almost any thing we have ever had. What are you making? The Stand. And trying to redirect the publics attentions from our REAL problems in the U.S. to the Pandemic - created or not- is not going to fill any pots or make jobs. Trying to wipe out health care, Medicare, and that which is the lifeline of seniors is not only a disaster- but political suicide. Its been a long road Mary. Denial only works for so long. Either they are passing laws to make it mandatory or they are not. New York did. Others will. Cut to the chase.. We are being herded. Wake up and smell the coffee. Medclinician |
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I guess my focus is on the unmittigated arrogance of Huge Health Organizations, pushing people around on their multi Billion Dollar Chess Board....and Governments directing and or going along with it all. When was it ever ok for any Government to inject any human against their will?
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----I titled the blog to be FROM Fox News (because that IS who conducted the interview). ----"Pushing for forced quarantines" was the title of the link I originally clicked on & IS what the segment is about: QUOTE: MASSACHUSETTS PUSHING FOR NEW LAW (which would entail FORCED QUARANTINES) About This Video Title: Rapid Response Published: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 Description: Pandemic bill gives power to quarantine people; but is it constitutional? WHY DOES EVERYONE NIT-PICK ABOUT THE TITLES??? ISN'T THE CONTENT "MUCH" MORE IMPORTANT???? |
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I have spoken to this person on the phone and know who this is. I received some of the most incredible propaganda insanity I have ever read. I have been personally threatened and my child and notice some are still on board on this site. Pictures of me and my family have been sent with true craziness by people who are members here and are still in the fold.. just under different handles. Paranoia. I have the emails. I would not be at all surprised aka information control if that is part of what has swept in here and tried to take over the site as well as troll me to death. When I started ripping up the incredible conspiratory garbage, letters sent to pull me into anti-government groups, anything to tie me into something bad- contact gets cut. I won't buy into insanity. But I will buy into science. New World order? Yep.. their out there- people smuggling illegal ammo over the Massechusettes border- yep we have groups of paramilitary types getting ready when stuff hits. **MEDCLINICIAN** I HOPE YOU ARE NOT REFERRING TO "ME"??? I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO YOU ON THE PHONE, I AM NOT A "TROLL", AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT??? I WAS PERSONALLY INVITED ONTO THIS FORUM THROUGH AN EMAIL FROM ALBERT HIMSELF. |
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Perhaps Med meant to quote what was below... my mentiion of topic...?
As I have no idea ... what he is referring to... :)
the meat of my post... getting back to the topic of forcing people...
it was way back in May that it was brought up. and here it is... end of SEPT.
Media... finally... "gets It?"
Here-
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=22920&KW=Massachu&PID=183504#183504 (post by Mary008) Guests Members Profile
Unfortunately... if you have to leave your home....in order to work, you will be expected to be vaccinated... (you can read that) I can't picture house to house forced vaccination. It
seems insane...otherworldly, SCI FI.... so the Questione needs to be asked...Hello
Newspeople? Hey...Diane Sawyer...
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Thank you, Mary!!!
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Nope- not at all. I got some personal photographs of my family and child and some chilly threats that I would pay if I said anything. I am backing your post and especially want you to notice how people turn threads here off topic. It was good you reposted your source and then the title line. I have worked with Fox in the past and they go where other media won't. What is systematically ignored, and I have posted is the executive orders in place- first by JFK and then Clinton picked them up and Bush gave them a boost upon leaving office. In a disaster they can- quarantine you against your will- put people to forced labor- separate families- take your preps and disperse them as they see fit- and a lot of other scary things.
A lot of legislation once a disaster is declared is already in place. This type of power used to be reserved for when we were attacked by a country or especially under nuclear attack when the president did not have time to ask congress. Now these war powers acts have been changed to include disasters- and that is why we are moving to a path where vaccines may be enforced. The real test comes when someone violates quarantine, police move in to arrest them, and they run. Then it hits the fan. People keep backing off on this- but it is there very clearly in the executive orders. The fact is- we have reason to be concerned. Every time someone posts something scary- we have a tack post why it isn't. Or we have a post on something completely different. There has never been a government in history that has gained more power (except for George Washington who did not want to be king) and then given it back. Medclinician |
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Mary, I have been working with doctors lately, you know what I am working on, and we also discuss other aspects of the evolving events. There is a neuro component to a certain strain of this flu we are tracking. Also a depressive one. It doesn't act like normal flu- it is more systemic and it makes people edgy and snappy- and can last 3-4 weeks. I have been discussing this with 2-3 doctors for 2 weeks now. And other psychologists and health care professionals. Flu is widespread through most of the country. Flu or not, we are noticing people getting spacey, memory loss, and real testy. Call it sunspots or whatever, but it is looking like flu. I even try to review my posts sometimes and especially not snap back at people who make really nasty personal attacks. This has been very excessive lately. Most of it has died down. Although I have a minuscule amount of authority on this site- I still am a moderator. Admin lurks mostly- but we are starting to get a jump on- thing when anyone posts anything disturbing - link or no link to calm it down. In other words, a heavy calm it down spin. I just posted a direct link to the executive order- fine and one year in jail for violating quarantine. You have to admit we have a puzzle here- and part of it is a kind of shadowy looking like when people decide they don't want the vaccine- things could get bad. People will be fired. We can't afford to lose workers and they will say well- we can't have sick ones- and they will say- we have no proof the vaccine works-how can we- it wasn't even designed for the strain that is circulating. You have said yourself in exasperation concerning well- It can't be they would do this or that.. really They might, Mary. That is what is spooky. I am hearing some of this from the inside. They might actually know that this virus is dangerous- and people need to get vaccinated. I can quote one doctor - and this one is not a member here who said - well I didn't want the vaccine and I don't think its safe- but if we are talking 10,000 people die from the vaccine versus 30,000 die from the virus- we save lives by giving it. So he said, I am doing a 180 and getting the vaccine. That is the rational. What is not is saying we don't have a problem and the virus is not dangerous- and then they are acting like they are very concerned and not saying it to the public. We are trying- especially with some of the stuff I get hit with- not to be snappy turtles cause we need every user posting everything they can find that has any kind of teeth at all. Worried mom- I'm on your side. Medclinician |
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Worried mom- I'm on your side. ..............
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Why the Hysteria from The Government? Forced Vaccination? WHY?
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Get Vaccinated by November 30th ... Seasonal and Swine flu Vaccines.
VIDEOS Richard Daines NYS Health Commisioner says...
....................................................................................... "It goes through that same system, and the testing..." ........................................................................................
A Lie or Ignorance?
On testing....
from the Transcript found here-
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So when do we expect to have results of the first clinical trials
and what will the clinical trial results tell us?
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...So for the clinical trials that have started in July already, we should have early results
during the first half of September.
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What will these trials tell us?
.................................................. They will tell us whether we will need one or two doses per person for vaccination.
(Does that satisfy you all as to safety?)
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(to protect patients)
They would have to vaccinate ...
............................................................ All food service workers
Janitors
Parking attendants
Electricians/handymen
Visitors
Office workers (they all touch similar surfaces/ diningroom etc.)
Vendors
Sanitize every bathroom after each toilet flush.
................................................................................ If they go to such an extreme... and stop at just a small group (health care workers)
without vaccinating everyone.. they know it's impossible. Why cause such upheavel? The very people on the front line that they need... are willing to walk. I think it was ill advised, with little forethought to the actual benefit vs reality ...which is...ya can't vaccinate the world. and if people recall... how many times did we read, that in order for vaccine to be effective in animals they need something like 98% of the population vaccinated... and they went on to say how impractical that was. Why are people so ignorant of facts when it comes to vaccinating humans? ............................................................................................................................. ...................
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Why the Hysteria from The Government? Forced Vaccination? WHY?
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Get Vaccinated by November 30th ... Seasonal and Swine flu Vaccines.
What Are Screeners Looking For?
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Changes? Oct 9, 2009 6:29 am
CBS News
US/Eastern Airports To Screen Passengers For H1N1 Symptoms
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The first doses of swine flu vaccine arrived earlier this week, but new polls show that many
people don't plan to get it. Flu shot or not,
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