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    Posted: February 05 2006 at 2:29pm
Hi everyone,

I know we have a forum topic of Sanitation, but that seems to deal with,
uhh, disposing of voided products from humans and animals.

I would like to get a topic going about what we can disinfect and use
again. How to do it safely. And what we can't use again under any
circumstances.

I know the items below should be thrown away after one use (into a
closed container). But what you do with these items that need to be
discarded is a mysery. Do we burn them? Can't bury them, that's for sure.
I see this as an important problem to deal with. Get rid of your:

1. masks
2. gloves
3. gowns
4. hair protection (paperish shower cap deals you put on your head when
going into an infected area)
5. ear protection
6. shoe protection (paperish things you put over your shoes when going
into an infected area)

OK, once used, these items are contaminated and not able to be used
again. Where should we discard them?

But: what about goggles/safety glasses?

I bought 2 pairs of Worx Unisex Wrap-Around Safety Glasses. But at $10
a pop, surely there is some way to re-use these.

Here is the info shown on the site where I purchased them:
www.allheart.com

"These Worx wrap around safety glasses feature total functionality,
comfort, and style. The full wrap around with Curved Polycarbonate lens
provides seamless front & side protection, without the distraction
normally associated with traditional side shields with defined seams.

Hard-coated Anti-Scratch / Anti-fog lens with UV 385 stabilizer provides
99.9% UV protection
Black Polycarbonate Frame with Nylon Temple Tips
Multi adjustment system including 5 position lens tilt & 4 position temple
length adjustment
Adjustable PVC nose pad provides comfort and reduces slipping for all
day comfort
Ventilation slots between the frame and lens allow air circulation
Meet ANSI Z87.1, EN 166-F CE Standards
Individual packaged in clear poly bag
WORX™ by Red Wing Shoes logo on both temples"
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Now on to shoes. Forum advise seems to be recommend having a pair of
"outside" shoes. Put them on outside, once you are gloved and masked
up. When getting ready to come inside, dip them completel) in a solution
of chlorox and water before taking them off outside. Then come inside
and put on your indoor footwear. Wash your hands! Seems logical to me.
However, Even with tennies, they won't dry completely even for use once
a day.

How about poppintg them into the dryer. Or should we opt for floppies
(yeah, we have 3 feet of snow on the ground). They would dry outdoors,
overnight.
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I will be anxiously awaiting suggestions regarding these questions and
hopefully you will have other questions that affect all of us who either
want or have to go outside once a day (animal care, mental health, etc)
A reminder, I live in a rural area where the greatest danger would be bird
poop.

Thanks once again.
Rocky

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I plan on cleaning goggles with bleach and water. I'm going to buy several spray bottles and fill them with bleach and water.  You're supposed to let the solution sit on whatever surface your cleaning for 2 minutes, then wipe clean.

As far as shoes go, they will not be allowed in the house. I will put down a mat in the garage just for shoes. And we will wear latex gloves when putting them on, and taking them off. I will clean them with the spray bottles, too (daily)

Masks, if you are wearing one to work then dispose it when you get home.  I will wear one everytime I let my dog out to go to the bathroom.  I will keep this mask for a few days at a time, as long as nobody comes around when I'm actually letting the dog out. 

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Okay, the nurse in me can help here. I can't cook to save my life or anyone else's (thank goodness for canned goods) but I sure can give you some advice here.

In hospitals they maintain a clean and dirty side of the hall. Do the same in your decontamination area outside your house  (garage).

Throw away all protection gear in a garbage container on dirty side of area. Make sure it has a lid or use one garbadge bag per episode.

Take off gown or clothes first and then shoe covers (if any). Throw away) It is only necessary to remove outer clothing that was exposed to possible contamination.

Take off hair cover. (Throw away)

Be sure to not touch open areas of body during this. Be careful not to disturb a lot of air during the process as it may stir up contaminents.

Continue by stepping in a baking pan filled with bleach/water to decontaminate shoes.

Place shoes on mat to dry. Try not to touch shoes while doing this but rather slide off using a stick or assistive device. Don't use other foot as this may contaminate sock or skin by touching shoe.

Remove googles and place in bucket/pan with bleach /water. Leave for 2 minutes. Take out and place on clean towel to dry. (suggest paper towel).

Remove mask quickly and put in trash.

Remove ear plugs and put in trash.

Remove gloves without touching skin.

Wash hands with alcohol gel. Let dry.

Step into house. Clean skin with alcohol gel then follow up with a wet towelette. Put on  a clean mask to wear inside until incubation period is sufficient and you show no signs of illness.

Have a plastic barrier wall between outside contamination area and door to house to minimize contaminates from blowing inside house.

Put on clean clothes after every inch of body is cleaned.

Make sure to bleach entire area of inside of house after you are cleaned.

This ensures that no contimates followed you inside.

It is up to you if you choose to wash dirty clothes and reuse but do so outside your house. Use bleach!

Someone needs to empty contaminated trash and burn it, bury it etc.

Hopefully you won't have to leave your house but if you do just remember that if you are around other people outside your house then you have to treat yourself as if you are contaminate.

This virus is spread through contact (touch) or droplets (sneeze, cough) so just use your best judgement on exposure risk. The higher the risk the more careful you need to be in decontaminating yourself before you go into your house again.

I hope this helps.

 

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Ella F, what a great post. Thank you so much. I had some questions about
part of it.

1."Put on clean clothes after every inch of body is cleaned."

So, I have used alcohol gel on hands before coming into house. Then how
do I clean every inch of my body...do you mean exposed skin? First you
said to use alchohol gel, then a towelette. What kind of towelette? Shoud I
take a shower using antibacterial soap, wash hair? Does showering do any
good? I don't think anyone has mentioned it.

We are assuming that I have just taken the dogs on leash down our
private road a bit to do so they can get a bit of exercise. I haven't been
near any people (country setting).

2." Make sure to bleach entire area of inside of house after you are
cleaned."

Don't understand this at all. This would be impossible. Please help, I am
feeling very dense about all this.

3. "If you choose to wash dirty clothes and reuse but do so outside your
house. Use bleach!"

I am assuming that I will take off outside layer of clothing while outside
and put in covered plastic can that has water/bleach. I would need to
wash these clothes. Couldn't I squeeze them out (wearing gloves) after
they had soaked 30 minutes or so, and put them in washer (inside house)
with bleach or combination of hydrogen peroxide and baking soda (as
suggested by someone as a substitute for Oxydol). Could I use bleach in
the wash water as well as the homemade Oxydol? Or just one or the
other. So confusing. Then I would dry clothes either in dryer (if we have
electricity) or hand outdoors.

You can see if we take dogs out once a day, we couldn't keep disposing of
our clothing each time.

Help

Thank you once again. Rocky

Originally posted by Ella Fitzgerald Ella Fitzgerald wrote:

Okay, the nurse in me can help here. I can't
cook to save my life or anyone else's (thank goodness for canned goods)
but I sure can give you some advice here.


In hospitals they maintain a clean and dirty side of the hall. Do the
same in your decontamination area outside your house  (garage).


Throw away all protection gear in a garbage container on dirty side of
area. Make sure it has a lid or use one garbadge bag per episode.


Take off gown or clothes first and then shoe covers (if any). Throw
away) It is only necessary to remove outer clothing that was exposed to
possible contamination.


Take off hair cover. (Throw away)


Be sure to not touch open areas of body during this. Be careful not to
disturb a lot of air during the process as it may stir up contaminents.


Continue by stepping in a baking pan filled with bleach/water to
decontaminate shoes.


Place shoes on mat to dry. Try not to touch shoes while doing this but
rather slide off using a stick or assistive device. Don't use other foot as
this may contaminate sock or skin by touching shoe.


Remove googles and place in bucket/pan with bleach /water. Leave for
2 minutes. Take out and place on clean towel to dry. (suggest paper
towel).


Remove mask quickly and put in trash.


Remove ear plugs and put in trash.


Remove gloves without touching skin.


Wash hands with alcohol gel. Let dry.


Step into house. Clean skin with alcohol gel then follow up with a wet
towelette. Put on  a clean mask to wear inside until incubation period is
sufficient and you show no signs of illness.


Have a plastic barrier wall between outside contamination area and
door to house to minimize contaminates from blowing inside house.


Put on clean clothes after every inch of body is cleaned.


Make sure to bleach entire area of inside of house after you are
cleaned.


This ensures that no contimates followed you inside.


It is up to you if you choose to wash dirty clothes and reuse but do so
outside your house. Use bleach!


Someone needs to empty contaminated trash and burn it, bury it etc.[/
P]

Hopefully you won't have to leave your house but if you do just
remember that if you are around other people outside your house then
you have to treat yourself as if you are contaminate.


This virus is spread through contact (touch) or droplets (sneeze, cough)
so just use your best judgement on exposure risk. The higher the risk the
more careful you need to be in decontaminating yourself before you go
into your house again.


I hope this helps.


 

Prepare for the Unexpected!
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Umm, and then after everything is disinfected, what do you do about the dogs? Do they need to be bathed? If so, where? How the h*ll do you disinfect a dog? -- Libby
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hi,

do you know of any UK sites where i can buy protective hair and ear things and covers for footwear? and what about disposable clothes coverings?

i have a garage separate to my house but couldnt really take off all my clothes b4 coming in the house as when i come out of the garage i have to walk along my strret (public) 4 yeards.

And doesnt bleach make your clothes faded and patchy unless on white garments?

regarding disinfecting whole area you walk through upon entering house,do you include walls and doors and skirting boards?

you say to wear a mask again when back inside your home-how long is the "incubation period" you mentioned?

should one keep all windows closed as well?

is it safe to go in your garden unprotected?

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I am in California, so I dont know of any UK supply stores right off. Try searching with Google (if you cant find anything, PM me and I would be happy to help you search).

If you are unable to remove your clothing outside, you can set up an area to do so directly inside your door. You can section off this area with hanging sheets etc, so that any germs that get thown into the air while you undress are stopped by the sheets around you.

Yes, bleach will lighten your clothes. You can purchase colorsafe clorox bleach for clothing if this is a concern. It is not much more expensive. But do remember to purchase regular chlorine bleach with no fragrance to use to treat your drinking water. 3 drops of bleach per gallon of water (I think there is 3 liters in a gallon, but check that to be sure). It would be a terrible thing if you needed to treat your drinking water and had no regular bleach.

Regarding disinfecting areas, you will want to disinfect ALL areas that are exposed (any area that a germ can land).

The incubation period, I have read is anywhere from 2-17 days. (Various sources seem to disagree).

Windows... garden... regarding these items, just keep in mind that the virus will not be floating around in the air by itself. Consider where it comes from... sick birds (it is shed in the bird feces too)... sick people (sneezing)... and limit your exposure to those. (some are saying cats and dogs can carry it too). Stay up to date on what animals transmit the virus and avoid them like the plague (bad pun, sorry).

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thanks for the further advice.

when you say regular chlorine bleach,do you mean the type we use in th house for disinfecting things? As the only bleach i've ever bought always smells.I guess i should ask a pharmacist,they could advise on a UK brand that will do what you advise.

I will search google,thanks for your offer of help.

Good idea about the sheets.

god,I have so many things to buy :( 

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Cosmicpixie,

 

I have been considering adding a small greenhouse type structure at the entrance of my home to allow some privacy as I disinfect. I have a hall once I enter the house that is separated from the rest of the house by doors and my basement entrance is also off of  this hall so I will then go to the basement to shower and dress. I have an air sanitizer with UV light that I hope will get any bugs that make it inside. I like the idea of the little greenhouse because the air and sunlight should help keep it germ free.

 

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Thanks for the good info Ella F.
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hello.

Should I need to go out and it's bad...I will be using an old tent (flea market) with one side carved out as a changing station doorway and use the  solar shower (Kmart) (with the garden hose securly attached) about 10 paces beyond the dirty room, prior to entering the house from the back door. Go out clothes get trashed.

As for home pt care. I'l do what need doing.... cover the openings and hit the solar shower afterwards. The hospital is in the garage with the door to the house plasticed up and the other door leads to the outside dirty room.

If you can visualize it you can make it.

 

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I'm setting up a portion of my detached garage as a sick room, quarantine room also. Everything is easily scrubbable, just spray it down.

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Hey everyone.  How long do we have to wait after wiping surfaces down with bleach or alcohol?  Which is best, bleach or alcohol?  If bleach, then what concentration?  Also, I am really freaked out by Ella Fitzgerald's instructions for decontaminating.  What if I go outside for a walk and don't even see another person?  Surely my clothes can't pick up the virus just floating around in the air?  What if I go to the store (optimistically assuming that there is anything there) or to my office?  Do I need to assume that my clothing is contaminated?  Must I throw it away, or can I just place it in an outside tub of bleach and water like Rocky said?  What about showering?  Would we really need to shower outside before coming in?  I really don't know how I would do that . . . .  Any more thoughts from anyone?  Rocky?  Ella?  Thanks!
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Hi RotroShaggy,

Either 1/2 strength bleach or alcohol are fine. The virus is fragile and needs a comfy spot to live for more than a hour or so.

Here is an excerpt from an EPA article about Avian Flu Disinfectants.

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Antimicrobial Products to Disinfect Poultry and Other Facilities Against Avian (Bird) Flu

Influenza A Viruses

Influenza A viruses can infect humans, birds, and other animals. Subtypes of the virus are called H1, H2, and so on. Avian influenza A viruses are commonly referred to as “low pathogenic” or “highly pathogenic.” Pathogenic means disease-causing. The H5N1 strain is considered to be a highly pathogenic form of this virus and is the cause of recent avian outbreaks in Asia and portions of Europe.

In a limited number of cases, the H5N1 strain of the virus has been shown to cause infections or flu in humans. These recent infections have raised concerns among health officials in the United States and globally. Most cases have been linked to close contact with infected poultry.

Current information on the H5N1 strain of the virus, which has been reported in Asia and Europe, is available on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) Web site, as well as detailed questions and answers about avian flu.

Poultry farmers in the U.S. are watching the spread of avian influenza in Asia and Europe. This Web page provides information about disinfectants that are available to help prevent the spread of this disease in this country. Avian influenza, which is sometimes called bird flu, is an infection that occurs naturally in birds. It is caused by influenza (flu) viruses. The viruses are found chiefly in birds. Infections with these viruses can occur in humans but the risk from avian influenza is generally low to most people, because the viruses do not usually infect humans. However, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there have been more than 100 confirmed human cases reported in Asia and Europe since 1997. The World Health Organization (WHO) maintains a cumulative list of these cases. Exit EPA disclaimer

Further, according to CDC, if there is an outbreak of avian influenza among poultry, "there is a possible risk to people who have direct or close contact with infected birds or with surfaces that have been contaminated with secretions and excretions from infected birds."

EPA registers pesticide products, including disinfectants. Currently, more than 90 disinfectant products are registered and intended for use against avian influenza A viruses on hard, non-porous surfaces. These products are typically used by the poultry industry to disinfect their facilities. Typical sites listed on these product labels include: veterinary premises, poultry houses, farm premises and equipment, and other industrial and institutional settings. The label will indicate that the product is effective against "avian influenza A." (For more information on how EPA regulates pesticide products, including disinfectants, see Registering Pesticides.)

Although there are no antimicrobial products registered specifically against the H5N1 subtype of avian influenza A virus, EPA believes that the currently registered avian influenza A products will be effective against the H5N1 strain and other strains.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) provides guidance for the disinfection of poultry facilities. See USDA's Sanitation Performance Standards Compliance Guide, Sec. 381.58-381.60 for the guidelines.

Related Links

Pandemicflu.gov - This is the official U.S. government Web site for information on pandemic flu and avian influenza.

Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) - US Department of Agriculture's link to assist in managing citizens' concerns about avian flu; also available is USDA's 24/7 food safety virtual representative tool, which is regularly updated on this topic. For those without web access, consumers can call the USDA Meat & Poultry Hotline at 1-888-MPHotline (1-888-674-6854).

Pandemic Influenza: Worldwide Preparedness - The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) site contains comprehensive, up-to-date information on all aspects of pandemic, avian, and seasonal flu.

Avian Influenza (AI): A Threat to U.S. Poultry - The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), is responsible for protecting and promoting U.S. agricultural health, administering the Animal Welfare Act, and carrying out wildlife damage management activities. The site describes avian flu viruses which affect poultry, either low pathogenicity (LPAI) or high pathogenicity (HPAI) based on the severity of the illnesses they cause, among other information.

Avian Influenza Exit EPA disclaimer - The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations leads international efforts to defeat hunger, serving both developed and developing countries. The site contains specific information on disinfectants and procedures to use against avian flu, noting that soapy water and detergents are often the first choice. See the site for a detailed chart of items to be disinfected and procedures.

Ten things you need to know about pandemic influenza and Avian influenza Exit EPA disclaimer - The World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations specialized agency for health, provides detailed information on numerous aspects of pandemic influenza and avian flu worldwide.

Avian Influenza: Protecting Flocks, Protecting People Exit EPA disclaimer - The site is a joint project of the National Chicken Council (NCC), National Turkey Federation (NTF), and Egg Safety Center (ESC); it addresses public concern about avian flu and contamination from poultry.

 

EPA registers pesticide products, including disinfectants. Currently, more than 90 disinfectant products are registered and intended for use against avian influenza A viruses on hard, non-porous surfaces. These products are typically used by the poultry industry to disinfect their facilities. Typical sites listed on these product labels include: veterinary premises, poultry houses, farm premises and equipment, and other industrial and institutional settings. The label will indicate that the product is effective against "avian influenza A." (For more information on how EPA regulates pesticide products, including disinfectants, see Registering Pesticides.)

Although there are no antimicrobial products registered specifically against the H5N1 subtype of avian influenza A virus, EPA believes that the currently registered avian influenza A products will be effective against the H5N1 strain and other strains.

Full story at: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/avian.htm

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Does anyone have any information on whether or not Lysol is effective against H5N1?

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FROM THE CDC

Instructions for destroying influenza A (H2N2) samples

Laboratories have been advised to immediately destroy and treat as potentially infectious and hazardous all materials retained or derived from the influenza A (H2N2) proficiency testing panels created by Meridian Bioscience and sent out by the College of American Pathologists (CAP), the American Association of Bioanalysts, the American Academy of Family Physicians, or the American College of Physician Services.

These materials may be destroyed by autoclave, incineration, or chemical disinfection

To autoclave:

  • Autoclave with moist heat at 121 degrees C (15-19 pounds of pressure) for at least 20 minutes or
  • Autoclave with dry heat at 170 degrees C for 1 hour or 160 degrees C for 2 hours or 121 degrees C for at least 16 hours.

To chemically disinfect:

Any of the following liquid disinfectants can also be used to destroy the virus; however, with the exception of the alcohols, these should not be used with autoclaving due to the chemical fumes that would result. The length of exposure time required to kill the virus depends on the disinfectant used, but overnight exposure would be adequate for all of them.

  • 200 ppm fresh sodium hypochlorite (a freshly made 1:10 dilution of household bleach should provide this level of free chlorine)
  • 60%-95% ethanol or isopropryl alcohol
  • 5% phenol
  • 3% lysol

Other agents that may be used but that have toxic or irritant properties include

  • 5-8% formalin
  • 2% alkaline glutaraldehyde



Would appear that lysol is approved for disinfecting flu virus.  Hope this helps.




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Thanks Fla_Medic.  I also really appreciated your Top 10 list and you research on Polyidiotitis.  Unfortunately, I think my girlfriend has the paradoxical variety.  She thinks I'm a nut.
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We were always told to wipe the house down with this solution during SARS

  • 200 ppm fresh sodium hypochlorite (a freshly made 1:10 dilution of household bleach should provide this level of free chlorine)
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    The WHO also mentions iodine based disinfection. There is a product called IOSAN, which is an 8% iodine complex sanitizer, specifically usfull for cleaning food service equipment, cooking utensils, isolation rooms and low temperature warewashing etc.
      This can be bought in 4liter containers. It is made by Applied Chemical Technologies inc.
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    OK, I'm sorry to be really dense here but Doug posted half strength bleach so that means 1 cup bleach to 1 cup water. And then Fal-med wrote 1:10 dilution so that means 1 cup bleach to 10 cups water. Am I missing something............I'm confused on this? And do you mean we should spray this liquid on all fabric furniture, windows & treatments, walls, floors, carpeting, ceiling......how do you bleach "entire area of your house"??? OMG, what a job!!  And we should have a plastic tarp over the entree door from the garage to the house and then (I have my laundry rm there) so I should have another tarp over that door that leads to the kitchen? Three quarters of the way sealed to impeed air flow, is that right? And the person would come into the house this route....naked and jump into the shower. Which in my house is no where near the garage or the kitchen. (Gulp!) I had a thought one of those mylar space blankets ($1.99) would come in very handy right about there to run through house in - it is 20 something degrees here at times lately, but then that would need to be disposed of as contaminated waste as well (in a ziploc) and a towel & fresh clothes and mask laid out for the returning individual in the bathroom used to shower in. And I guess fresh bleach is any bleach that is less than 6 months old. Is that right??

    Oh and Rocky, I ordered from allheart.com some clogs (unisex) that they have for $10+/- that are made of rubber, the whole clog, so you could bleach it or maybe boil it, or certainly soap it up, lysol it and rinse off with scalding hot water. I first thought these would be good to walk my dogs in cause easy to disinfect but now I think I will make dog poo area in garage (I'll need newspaper) and use these in possible infected situations b/c no ties to bother with just slip in & slip out. I did order 2 more prs for hubby and son and they have not arrived so maybe a local med uniform supply store co. or website would have them in stock.

    I do not plan on going out in middle of pandemic but same procedure needs to be followed for care of sick person or if you let a new person enter your "clean" house.

    Oh, and help me with the 3% lysol Fla-Medic..PLEASE!! What does 3% mean? none of the active ingredients are in 3% strength. For sanitization the botttle says (on non-food contact surfaces only)use full strength or 2.2oz per gallon of warm water. That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard! How can both of these sanitize and who has a devise for measuring 2.2 oz.? Is that like a shot glass per gallon? For BF I think I'll stick to full strength I guess but how could both of those be for sanitizing? Maybe I'll call lysol tomarrow. The active ingredients make up less than 2% of the bottled product as it is and I should dilute it so much more? Makes no sense to me.

    Someone help......anybody there.....please?

    Truly, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

    ps. Country girl, I really like your greenhouse idea! Thank you for the info. :>} Can't afford it this week but maybe next week or the week after that probably. At least it would be easy to spray that baby down!! :>} This is all alot to take in. :>{  G-night all.

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    If I make a disinfectant out of the powdered chlorine (from a pool supply store) does anyone know the amount of powder to water?
    Thanks!

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    Question:

    Can the bleach be any brand of bleach or does it have to be CLOROX? Is there a percentage of bleach in different brands?
    The reason I ask is that a friend of mine was saying that the only bleach recommended was Clorox. Is this just a marketing ploy?

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    Any bleach... it should just be un-scented (I think).

    Do a search bleach and Bruss01.... he has soom great info on using pool clorine....CHEAP AND MAJOR SHELF LIFE... unlike liquid bleach.

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    Thanks for the info. I was thinking that the only requirement was that it was unscented as well, especially if you are using it in the water that you are storing.
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    Does anyone know the right amount of bleach and water for disinfecting?

    In one post it says 1:1 and in another it says 1:10

    And for how long can you leave a bucket of bleach and water out (to drop say, goggles in) and have it still be effective?

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    shelad1~ I found this info. Hope it helps.

    Here's the link for it but I'll copy the wording below. http://www.wvdhhr.org/wvimw/bleach.asp

    Guidelines for Proper Dilution of Bleach for Disinfecting
     

     

    When using bleach as a disinfectant, a fresh solution must be made each day.

     

    For routine cleaning/disinfecting of normal surfaces that are not grossly contaminated a

    1:100 solution of bleach is recommended.

    add 1/4 Cup of household bleach to 1 gallon of water, or
    1 Tablespoon per 1 Pint of Water.

     

    To clean up a large volume of infectious fluids, such as during an infectious medical waste spill, a

    1:10 solution of bleach to water should be used.

    add 1.5 Cups of household bleach to 1 gallon of water, or
    1/3 Cup per 1 Pint of Water.

     

    Regular household bleach contains 5.25% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl). 

    If the product you are using has less than 5.25%, you will need to add more bleach. 
    If the product has less than 5.25% sodium hypochlorite, you will not need to add as much bleach. 

    For specific information on proper dilution of products that contain more or less that 5.25% sodium hypochlorite, see the product instructions or contact the manufacturer.

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    How many bottles of bleach do you have stocked?
    Do you have anything else stocked that will help to disinfect surfaces? If you do, how much of that do you have stocked?
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    People in UK have a problem when it comes to bleach. Take a look at any supermarket bleach bottle in the UK and you will find it is marked "<5%". The question is how much less than 5% does a particular brand of bleach have.  I have contacted nearly all of the leading supermarket chains in UK for an answer to this question.  One of the biggest supermarket chains sent the following reply ....
     
    "The information from our technologist is that bleach is not suitable for the purification of drinking water. Thick bleach is 5%, standard 3% and value 1%,  with anything up to 5% hypochlorite added."
     
    What they did not say was that it depends upon how old the bleach is. This reply indicates several things. First is that off the shelf chlorine bleach in UK can be anything other than 5%.  Second it indicates that the person who wrote the reply did not know what they were talking about, as domestic liquid bleach is sodium hypochlorite.
     
    All UK supermarket chains who replied (about 75%), said that their bleach was not suitable for water purification purposes. In some cases this was because of additives such as thickeners, stabilisers, perfumes, anti-scale ingredients etc.. None of them knew about the suitablity of their products for H5N1 and all claimed that they had no plans to stock N5N1 products (one chemist later changed their mind and now intend to sell a mask, but only "under the counter").
     
    I was specifically looking for 10% sodium hypochlorite for my own purposes.  The reason for this is that HongKong have a lot of experience in dealing with H5N1. They recommend 5% for general surface decontamination. For heavy contamination ie blood, vomit and feces on surfaces, they recommend 10%. So my plan was to find 10% hypochlorite bleach and dilute it to suit the intended task. I also decided to use 5% for decontamination of PPE, vehicles and area decontamination. Before going further, not one single manufacturer recommended their bleach, at any concentration, for the decontamination of human skin.
             In Uk Scat's sell 11% sodium hypochlorite in 25 ltr drums. It is called "Red Lable" and costs £10.90 per 25 ltr.  Since most tasks require a 5% dilution, this would make up 50 ltr. If a fine mist spray was used for application, it would go a long way. You are still left with the problem of what to use to decontaminate human flesh ... particularly babies !. That can be covered in a separarte posting.
             Sodium and calcium hypochlorite seem to be popular because of low cost and availablilty. However, there are other alternatives out there. Scats also sell Virkon-S. In fact this is the ONLY disinfectant that they recommend for H5N1. It is available in powder, tablet and liquid form. A small packet cost less than £2 will make up 5 ltrs.  Dupont who manufacture Virkon-S, claim that it is a non-irritant to both skin and eyes, at the recommended dilution. However, when I emailed them to double check they said that it was not suitable for use on human skin !.
             We hear a lot about decontamination, but few people mention how long it takes for the disinfectant to kill the virus on a surface or in a liquid. In the case of an alcohol based disinfectants it evaporates and the surface has to be continually wetted.  With bleach it runs off vertical surfaces and they have to be continually re-wetted. I think the general consensus of opinion is that  5% bleach should be left on the surface for at least 15 minutes. Iodine may work slower, ie when using it to purify water so it is genearally recommended that a 30 minute period is required.  Most iodine water purification manfacturers recommend that iodine should not be used for longer than 30 days at a time .
              When mixing surface disinfectants such as bleach, Virkon-S etc, we need to take into account the life of a mixed batch and how that batch is stored. Sodium and calcium hypochlorite work by producing chlorine gas (so mix it outside!). In sunlight treated water can lose half of this gas in less than an hour.  So you cannot just treat water and forget about it.  To prolong the active life of a bleach dilution it must be stored out of the sunlight. Those of you who have external bulk water storage, must take this into consideration. A very rough check is, does it still smell of chlorine ?. If it does not, then the chlorine has already been lost and the water needs re-treating at some stage. I intend to treat mine in small batches as I actually need it.
              We have a similar life problem with other surface disinfectants. Virkon-S for example, has a colour indicator in it to show relative effectiveness with time. Generally, the life of mixed Virkon-S is a few days, again depending upon how it is stored.  This means it is better to make it up as required in small batches, as required. The simplest way of doing this is to use the tablet form.
                Calcium hypochlorite come in powder and tablet form.  To minimise the chlorine loss it usually contains additives. It does not always completely dissolve in water which means that you could be left with concentrated solids, if these are not filtered out. I do not think that any UK mamufacturer is going to approve the use of their  calcium hypochlorite for treating drinking water. 
                 When considering chemicals, always search for "Food grade". Do NOT use hydrogen peroxide with  chlorates !.

     
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    Dirty boot likely cause of outbreak ...
     
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    Vetinarians use strong disinfectents in their clinic to stop the spread of several viruses such as parvo or corona and they are very effective.  Anyone know if they are capable of killing the avian flu virus?
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    Question; If this virus becomes airborne about how long could it live in the air (or room) without a host?
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    I see a lot of discussion here on bleach. I had to stop using it several years ago because of my breathing problems. I replaced the disinfectant properties with a product called Odo ban which I can find only at SAM's CLUB in a gallon size jug or Wal-Mart in a diluted spray. It smells wonderful but that's not why I use it. I went to the Vets office recently and recognized the smell!
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    http://www.melaleuca.com/wc/index.cfm
     
    I joined the Melaleuca Wellness company.  They sell a botanical broad-spectrum disinfectant called Sol-U-Guard.  It is "99.99% effective against common germs including Salmonella, Staph, TB and the HIV virus" according to their literature.  I use this at my children's school to disinfect classroom surfaces without exposing the children to harmful toxic fumes. I'm stocking up on this for BF.
     
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    Originally posted by wrote:

    I see a lot of discussion here on bleach. I had to stop using it
    several years ago because of my breathing problems. I replaced the
    disinfectant properties with a product called Odo ban which I can find
    only at SAM's CLUB in a gallon size jug or Wal-Mart in a diluted spray. It smells wonderful but that's not
    why I use it. I went to the Vets office recently and recognized
    the smell!

        You can also order it through amazon if you don't have a sams club in your area
    Also restockit.com
        
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        Personally, I am now using ODOBAN germ control 24 a new silverdyhydrogen citrate formula with no fumes, non toxic and can kill a virety of microbes in 30 seconds to 10 minutes. It is at home depot or sams club online now but will probably be widely available soon. It has residual kill properties and uses SDC from Pure Biosciences. Singapore, I think tested it on avain flu and it supposedly works.
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    I've noticed that Wal-Mart is now carring the spray bottles of ODO BAN. It's far cheaper by the gallon (under $10.00)and dilute it yourself if you can pick it up at SAM'S.
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