Another gun thread... for floriduhgirl

Turboguy1 wrote: I'm buying a reach out and touch someone gun- just in case. I really don't want to be in close contact with my potential death bringers. It's a Tikka with a .300 mag. If I don't end up using it to fend people off- then it will still be good for deer, giant hogs, (if it doesn't blast their heads off), and elk. The ammo certainly won't be cheap- but I intend to get practice myself, and let the boyfriend loose on it- The 300 Remington Magnum, 300 WinMag, and 300 Winchester Short Mag are all extremely expensive rounds to buy. If you get a reloading press (Dillon Reloading supply makes some of the best) you can reload your 300 WinMag/RemMag very economically. The bullets for no less than fifteen cartridges all use the exact same bullet. You could, even in a pinch, pull bullets out of other cartridges and reload those into your .300 WinMag/RemMag. Personally I prefer the .308. It's by far the most plentiful precision cartridge in the world, and while I can't reach out and touch someone quite like you could, within 800 yards I could be quite dangerous. Also I have a sniper rifle in .308 (I own a Steyr Prohunter which is the same thing as a Scout, but without the snazzy stock) and a battle rifle in the same caliber, an M14/M1A. For short range work I've got a couple M4geries with two 100 round Beta C Mags and about twenty M16 magazines. A fantastic combo is an AR15/M16 teamed with a sniper type rifle. You could take on pretty much anything at any range with just those two rifles.

A reach out and touch someone gun. Hmm. I have a rifle i use for deer, good for those long shots. .303 Enfield. Bolt action, 10-round magazine. Surplus ammo still available, fairly inexpensively since it's not in as great demand as current issue 7.62/5.56 munitions. You can generally find such military surplus weapons fairly cheap. Mine cost about $100. I have spare mags for it, stripper clips, and plenty of ammo for it. The lower priced surplus stuff for defense, and not so low priced stuff for hunting.

8mm dried the heck up earlier this year and royally ***sed me off. I bought a couple thousand when it was $30.00 per spam can of 400 (C/BE) and now haven't been able to find it for cheap anywhere. I've still got some, but am afraid that I'll end up not having any later when I want to shoot it, or let someone else shoot my Kar98.

A super affordable rifle/ammo deal right now is the Mosin-Nagant in 7.62x54. They're right around $80.00 per rifle, and the ammo isn't ever going to dry up as every Russian ally manufactured it, and the Russians still use it. For your bolt action cheapy rifles use corrosive ammo. It'll keep longer, and with a little knowhow you can prevent it from it rusting. I'd *NEVER* shoot corrosive out of my Dragunov though. I can't imagine the damage it'd do to the gas system.

The High point carbine is fun and all, but I prefer the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 in 9mm. It's the folding rifle. It's just as unbelievably accurate as the High Point, but will accept Glock magazines. (Including the G18 32 rounders!) They've already got a .40 out and possibly a .45. I wanted them to produce it in 10mm as that would then be a legal deer gun in my state and would be a kickass light deer gun.

Did you get your M44 from Century? They've gotten a new shipment in within the last couple weeks and some are like new! That little bastard does kick like a mule, I must agree! Mine is fun for a while, then I'll start to develop a bruise and the fun ends about the time it starts to feel like I'm driving a nail into my shoulder with every shot. This tends to happen around the 200'th round or so though, so I can get plenty of boom until I've got to stop.

My Dragunov makes quite the flash and has a quite striking bang, not as much of a boom. At night it's quite the show to fire it off. I just wish it was a bit more accurate than it is. I had a buddy reload up some match rounds and it wasn't nearly as accurate as my M1A. I was slightly dissappointed.

Why don't I just make 8mm cases? I dunno. I guess I'm just a stickler for them to stop jacking up the prices of ammo, and harken back to when you could buy a ton of 8mm cheap. Also I've still got quite a pile of old surplus to shoot until I've got to start reloading for that gun. Eventually I'll start reloading it up, but until that time I've got a few tins laying around.

You've got an Arisaka!?! Scheiss man, that's frikin cool! Is that an accurate round? I've never actually seen 7.7 Jap ammo with my own eyes either! It's in the 7mm family so does it have a good ballistic coefficient? Are you just using .30 cal bullets for your reloads or is it just a hair too small for that?

I was talking to a couple gun nut buddies and they're talking about another ammo and component price increase! As if the stuff doesn't cost too much as it stands! .308 is almost totally uneconomical to shoot, even the crap Indian stuff is selling for four times what it's actually worth.
    

Thanks for the offer of advice. I've only been handloading for a few years now and any tips and tricks the seasoned veterans can give is invaluable. Heck, you should start a new thread and write the neat little reloading tricks you've attained. I've totally avoided destroying any of my guns, and haven't produced a squib round yet, so I think I'm being watchful enough.

Maybe you can throw some more light on this: My father had a .22 Cheetah a while back, it was on a Mauser action I believe. While I'm not a fan of those wildcat rounds, as but some are, at least they're shooting. Anyway, he whipped up a batch of cartridges and was shooting them no problem. Then on one round he had a catastrophic failure and blew up the rifle. He said that he checked all the cases and that they were not overfilled with powder, and he said that he could not have had a squib, nor was it an out of battery slam fire. A reloading store proprieter said that he may have not had enough powder in the case, and the powder is supposed to burn from back to front. Because the case wasn't full the powder could all flash at once, creating an extreme pressure spike, and destroy the gun. I can see this as the case in theory, but in practice do you think this is what could have happened? I see cowboy action shooters constantly blowing themselves up like idiots when they try to half load cases without packing, but those are pistols that don't reach nearly the same amounts of pressure that a rifle is very capable of handling. You've been reloading since I was 1 year old, so I'll go out on a limb and assume you've got a tad more experience than I do in this field and am wondering what your take is.

I've only got one rifle that I can say was in the hands of enemy. I got my Dragunov in Iraq. A friend of mine and I found two, one was Russian which I claimed, and the other was one of those Iraqi Al Kadeseh variants, which he took. We then went to Turkey by ground transport, which is basically a gun nut Mecca, and brought them back. After the totally unnecessary red tape the BATF throws at us all I got my rifle back here. It's my most interesting piece, and usually gets every other gun nut a tthe range to come over and ask to take a few shots with it.

The treasures that your uncle brought back are truly unique. Those are heirlooms that I'd never be able to bring myself to sell. I'm glad that they're in the hands of someone that truly appreciates them. I absolutely hate it when someone has a true treasure and lets it go to crap. I saw a kid bring a REAL 1874 Sharps rifle, I'll say it again, A REAL 1874 SHARPS RIFLE! It was damn near mint. This was a rifle that could quite possibly have won the West! To Gander Mountain to sell. His asking price for his great great grandfathers priceless piece of history? $500.00 FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS! He was going to sell it to buy some weed! I almost crapped myslef in the store! After sputtering that I'd buy it from him right now, no questions asked, the guy behind the counter asked me to leave the store! I even offered the kid $750 on the way out! The worker said that he was going to call the police! That bastard working there knew exactly what the kid had and was going to pretty much steal a piece of history, and was keeping me out of the action. I went back a couple days later and that rifle was in their case with a pricetag for $40,000. Some rich collector came in a few days later and snapped it up, apparently it was a deal even at that price. I'll never understand how someone can sell a priceless, historical firearm for some damn weed. I'm still a bit bitter about it if you haven't noticed...

He was shooting jacketed 55gr FMJ's.

I see what you mean with being able to double charge a round. I would think that if double charged I'd just get a lot more fire out the end and a bit more recoil, but because most of the powder would be spread out along the length of the barrel it might not explode. I guess I'm saying that I'd be spreading the pressure spike over a longer time. I'm probably way off base as though I've got some experience in reloading, I am no expert. I just go with the approved loads and try to stay away from the really cool powders or nifty loads I see in gun magazines. I'm always afraid I'll blow up my very expensive firearms and possibly kill myself.

I'm looking at my press that I'm whipping up a batch of 7mm Rem Mag on and I can most definately overload those by a long shot! I'll bet I can get two or two and a half times as much powder in there! It's just one more reason that I pay extra, extra careful attention to my reloading. I sometimes have a nightmare about not paying attention and loading up my .308 rounds with Blue Dot!

I'm putting 58 gr of IMR 4831 in these and it's a nice safe load. I just bought the powder and am working my way up. I hear horror stories about people that use different lots of powder and blow themselves up. Is this true as well?
    

One (personal) rule I always keep when reloading is to only use powders that will overflow the case if I double charge. I get pretty picky when I am reloading.

Another thing I do is "color code" when I have similar cases. An example is that I load .38 special in unplated brass cases and .357 magnum in nickle cases ONLY.

Reloading is something anyone can do, but not if you're careless. I like to think that my "extra" rules are something that will help keep me from getting careless.
    
    

U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people
Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:25pm ET


GENEVA (Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.

U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.

About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.


"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.

India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there. China, ranked third with 40 million privately held guns, had 3 firearms per 100 people.

Germany, France, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil and Russia were next in the ranking of country's overall civilian gun arsenals.

On a per-capita basis, Yemen had the second most heavily armed citizenry behind the United States, with 61 guns per 100 people, followed by Finland with 56, Switzerland with 46, Iraq with 39 and Serbia with 38.   Continued...

absolutely right, make em bend over an squeal like a pig, Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

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Hey you should buy some guns Bloomburg! Oh wait, you live in a Socialist utopia, nevermind. If you don't like us talking guns, well, there's other threads you can play in.

You're a genius when it comes to economic issues, but just enjoy our gun talk and keep your driveby's to yourself.

It seems that some people haave a hard time with the indisputable fact that history has a nasty way of repeating itself over and over ad nauseum.

People give up their guns/weapons and are slaughtered wholesale. What's worse is that leftists equate the conservatives with the Nazis, when Nazi was an acronym for NAtional Socialism. A great example of leftist thought. And it's not like anti Semitism is even close to dead as there's anti Jew attacks in Europe on a daily basis. The pregnant Jewish woman who was attacked on a French bus and had Swastikas spraypainted on her Stomach afterward screams that the European brand of hate is brewing and getting ready to boil over.

Anyway, let's take a quick look at genocides where people are disarmed and then slaughtered: Starting with recent times, Darfur: Sudanese gubment imposed draconian gun control laws on a certain kind of people (Christians), then supplies Islamic gangs with RPK's and AK's to use against those that were disarmed.

Whoops, then there's yet another UN spectacle: Bosnia. The UN in their ever knowing wisdom went in there and told the Croats that they'd be protected if they gave up their guns. Well the UN took all the guns and then left WITH those guns and left the Croats totally defenseless against Serb aggression. Genocide occurred. Good job UN!

Whoops! Those wacky UN boys under the watchful guidance of one Kofi Annan perpetuated even more genocide! This time in Rwanda! There you had the Hutus and teh Tsutsis. Hutus were the poorest of the poor, and the Tsutsis were the rich and powerful. Well the UN only wanted to deal with the Tsutsis, and basically told the Hutus to pound sand. Again in their absolutely brilliant wisdom the UN told the Tsutsis to turn 'em all in. They did and then the Hutus took machetes to the lot of them. Thumbs up UN!

Actually since my space is limited, lets only focus on the bigger ones from here out? WWII Germans told the populace to turn them all in. They did. Result: 10,000,000 dead Jews. Did the Jews pay attention? Hell no. They overwhelmingly vote for those that hate them the most and want them disarmed. There is the JPFO (Jews for the preservation of firearm ownership) but they're a vast minority. Had only one in one hundred kept a firearm and took one German to hell with them, there wouldn't have been a world war two. Did Germany even mess with Switzerland? Hell no. They were (And are) very well armed. They've got a law there that requires everyone to have a firearm.

Even Jesus told his people that to avoid persecution they should sell their cloak and buy a sword.

Jesus Christ wrote: But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a sack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one" (Luke 22:36).

A sword being the single finest weapon of his time, equivalent to a military rifle of today.

Then when Leonidas said to Xerxes, "Molon Laabe!" Or "Come and get them!" When told that he and his men would be spared if they gave up their weapons. Would they really have been spared after killing several thousand Persians? Probably not.

My problem with Europeans is that they want to export their brand of abject cowardice onto everyone else in the world. You want to be subjects and cowards, slaves to your respective governments, so be it! May your chains fall lightly on you, but keep your pantiwaste stink on your own side of the pond. We already have Liberals here, and they're coward enough.