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otskot
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Posted: February 17 2006 at 10:42am |
Hi all,
I'm getting a late start on prepping food and am having a difficult time trying to figure out basic food to get and quantities. I know: beans, rice, wheat, nuts, seasoning... and I've seen some of the calculators out there but does anyone else have suggestions? And, also, what about making stuff with these things? Any basic recipes? As for wheat -- Do you all have wheat grinders? What do you make if you just have flour? Dough balls? Sorry, I'm not the biggest cook and this whole thing is freaking me out and I'm kina lost. |
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bruss01
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Flour TortillasServing Size : 12
In a large bowl, stir together the flour, salt and baking powder. With a pastry blender, a fork or your hands, gradually work in the lard or shortening until it is all incorporated. Add enough warm water to make a soft but not sticky dough. Turn out onto a lightly floured board and knead for 5 minutes. Edited by bruss01 |
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libbyalex
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Otskot -- There are several lists in the forum on things people are stocking. I think it's under the first 100 things to go in an emergency. So that's one place to start. Here is a brief description of what I'm doing: Rice and beans including fast cooking rice (comes in both white and brown); jello and pudding cups; a variety of dehydrated foods from www.survivalacres.com and www.beprepared.com; canned veggies and fruits; maple syrup; vegetable oil; canned tuna and salmon; canned soups; aseptic packages of rice milk and soy milk (real milk also comes this way); canned tomatoes; juice boxes; jam; peanut butter; pasta; pasta sauce.... Check some of the other lists and see what other ideas you can get. Anyone else want to chime in? -- Libby |
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cosmicpixie
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I'be bought a bread making machine,it is electric,cost about £25.Flour only has about 6-8 months use by date on it. In my house there is me,my partner and toddler son. I have spent the past 5 days doing massive shopping sprees - tinned vegetables and fruits of all descriptions,esp.tinned tomatos.check use by dates-alot will be towards end of 2007,some 2008,others 2010. tomato puree,baked beans,packets sauces (dried),jar sauces for pasta,herbs,spices,tinned grated onions,garlic puree and ginger....rice,tinned kidney beans,haricot beans etc (tinned keep for years,dried do not),tinned curries and meat based meals if you eat meat (just incase electric goes and you lose all your frozen meat),tinned macaroni cheese,ravioli etc etc....massive bags of pasta,coffee,tea,powdered milk,long life carton milk,sugar,honey,jam,marmite/yeast spread, tube pate's ,crackers (only about 6 months use by on them sometimes)....tinnes tuna,salmon,sardines,shrimps etc just buy everything you can think of and as many tins of each as you can afford as one way or the other you will use them over time,so are not wasting money but doing shopping in "advance".... i have about 100 toliet rolls but plan to get up to at least 500,but my grocery list has been really big as am having to consider my mum,brother and my partner's parents incase they dont bother llistening to advice and have no back up supplies.... kitchen roll,disinfectant,lots and lots of bleach,bin bags for rubbish,liquid soap for washing dishes and some for clothes....matches,candles,batteries,wind up radio,torch,knofe,tin opener,camping stove and gas bottles,portable gas heater and gas bottles,oil lamp a good one too.....corded phone (someone said cordless ones wont work if electric goes off)....masks,gloves,coveralls,sanitizing scrub..... i could go on but they are the basics and if you read a bit more on the site there are lots of posts about what to buy. just write down what you normally buy per week/fortnight per person and then multiply that by about 24 weeks to be safe and anything you normally buy fresh (vege,fruit),buy in tins....dont forget dried egg powder if you need it. I WILL be filling my freezer and hope the electric doesnt go,but i am going to fill it only with protein ,that can easily be defrosted overnight and cooked on a camp stove suggestions- 1. chilli con carne and rice 2.pasta with pesto and freezed dried parmasan cheese 3.pasta with tinned tomatos and herbs 4.pasta with jar of wild mushrooms in olive oil or roasted peppers (these jars have good shelf life) 5. spaghetti bolognaze with either real mince or vegetarian dried mince 6. tinned shrimp/prawn curry-you can buy coconut milk in tins with a few years in them 7. tuna with rice and tomatos and herbs 8.tuna pasta 9. tinned mixed beans made into a stew with tin tomatos and maybe tinned potatos 10. packet instant mash potato with beans and sausages (you can buy packet vegetarian sausage mix or burger mix etc) 11.tinned soups 12. stir fry made with tinned chinese mixed vegeatbles.tinned shrimps,soy sauce,ginger puree,garlic puree,bit of tinned onion 13. there are loads of jars/tins of chinese,indian or thai sauces that have about 18 months-2 years shelf life on them....mix these in with tinned chick peas,or tinned shrimps etc or tinned mixed vegatables and serve with rice talking of all that food i'm hungry and off to eat leftover spaghetti sauce :) |
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Kriztah
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It's been hard for me to figure out how much food I have, too. I've been stocking up since just before Oprah did her bird flu show. The food storage calculators have been hard for me because my family isn't the type to eat rice, beans, wheat and jam, but they're a good guide anyway. The best guide I've found is from a book I got from Backwoods Home magazine called "Emergency Preparedness and Survival Guide". They have a sample pantry list for a family of 3 that includes meat, fruit, veggies and more stuff along the lines of the way my family eats. I can type in the list sometime if anyone is interested. My goal is to feel comfortable that I have a year's supply of food and supplies. I know I'm not there yet, but I guestimate I've got 6 months worth. I'm just trying to get large quantities of a wide variety of things - as much as I can, when I can. I bought a used manual grain mill off Ebay. It was $50 and hooks onto the countertop. It's easy, and will allow you to grind whole grains (which don't store well when they're already ground) for your family. Supposedly you can grind popcorn for cornmeal, too...but I haven't tried it. For popcorn lovers (like my family)...I got a 50 lb bag of popcorn at Sams Club last week - it was only $10!! I've definitely got popcorn for a year. Amish cookbooks are good cooking with the basics cookbooks. Oh yeah and this is my first post...So hi all! I've been lurking for a while and finally registered last night. Thanks for all the great info I've gotten here! |
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TeeHee..try being us older preppers....well not that I am old..I have been prepping for the last 5 years..now I have rotated and cleaned out everything a few times..but if I had to give you a complete detailed list of what I have....but I can say I store alot of my dried goods in 70litre totes..and I have one of sugar..one of pasta..3 with rice..3 with flour..one with crunched up corn flakes(lol) good stuff on fish)...one of barley..one with dried beans(and marshmellows on top)...I have pancake mix..canned goods and have tons of comfort foods..I go for the sales,but I have been on top of bird flu since the beginning....
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otskot
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Thanks for the suggestions so far. I just "tuned into" this last fall
and have so far been focused on non-food things like tamiflu,
communications, water, etc. -- I'm feeling more and more urgency now --
I really think this is the year.
Kritzah, that Backwoods list sounds good -- my family is like yours in our eating habits -- I'm sure we could get used to beans, rice and wheat, just never really cook and prepare wheat... the Amish recipe idea sounds intriguing too. Thanks Also, thanks for the tortilla recipe bruss01. That sounds easy enough -- just like I like recipes :) and thanks cosmicpixie and muskrat and libbyalex for all of your suggestions too. |
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meewee
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otskot; there is a good cookbook by Viki Tata call Cookin with Home Storage. You can order it from survival acres, emergency essentials. or from amazon.com Also go to any book store or even Walmart and pick up a few cook books. They will give you all kinds of recipes, plus the more you get familiar with cooking the more you give yourself freedom to add different spices and herbs and seasonings to suit your taste. BTW Welcome to you and to Kriztah! if you need to find a good overall list of the things to consider try going to http://www.lacetoleather.com/hom.html it is a very comprehensive list and you just print it out and cross off what you don't need or use and go from there! Meewee
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God Bless us all!
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KatDoe67
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Otskot, I have to be VERY careful what I stock up on as we are on a VERY limited budget. Make sure you can make some kind of bread, biscuit or pancakes. The ingredients as well as some type of nonelectrical cooker. You can make sandwiches with pancakes or cook flat hunks of bread dough on a frying pan. Bread tastes good no matter how it looks. Be creative :-) Flour, sugar, dry milk, salt, leavening. Canned tuna, vienna sausages, and canned ham are the cheapest meats. Get some mayo too. Sometimes you can find summer sausage in vacuum sealed plastic that doesn't need refrigeration. Peanut butter, jelly and Velveeta cheese. Some canned fruit is good for the water in the juice as well as the fruit itself. Water Make sure you have potassium pills or imitation salt with potassium in it. Also some vitamins. Candles Start with that. Hot bread and sandwiches is a better base to build on than rice and beans! Kat |
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Freeze your flour. Keeps it fresh forever. I'm on my second Breadmaker, and I always freeze my flour.
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willow41
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I have small children in my family, so I have to buy only the things that I can get them to eat. I started off planning for two months worth of meals. I try to focus on items that do not require water for cooking, and if had to can be eaten out of a can. I've been buying Minute Rice because it takes less time to cook, saving propane. Someone on here suggested cooking it with swanson chicken broth instead of water, to save water. So I tried it, and it's really good. So I am going to add up how many cups of rice/broth I need per serving and get enough broth for all of the rice I have stored. I am figuring one meal with rice a day. Other items- canned beef stew, canned chicken/dumplings, canned meats w/broth and noodles (beef-n-noodles), canned corn, cream corn, mixed vegies, and canned potatoes. Beefaroni, Pork-n-beans, and Ready to serve soups. These things don't take from your water supply. I've gotten boxed bread mixes to bake in the oven or breadmaker for as long as we have power. snacks- popcorn(bought a popcorn maker to use at campfires), jello and pudding cups, crackers (all kinds), applesauce cups, canned fruit breakfasts- pancake mixes, instant oatmeals, dry cereal I have ordered online freezed dried and dehydrated cans of beef stroganoff, chicken and noodles, and some dessert items. Walmart sells single serving entrees by Mountain House foods, so I tried one. they really are good. So I went online and ordered big cans of them. But these will tap into your water supply. |
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libbyalex
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muskrat -- there you go again. First it's the huge cocoa recipe and now it's marshmallows on top of dried beans.... I know I'm going to spend the rest of the evening trying to figure out why anyone would want to eat marshmallows on top of beans..... -- Libby
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libbyalex
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Kritzah -- Welcome to the forum. Glad to hear your voice! Holler if you have any questions. I look forward to your posts.... Libby
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Kriztah
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This is from Emergency Preparedness & Survival Guides published by Backwoods Home magazine. I basically used this as my guide with a few modifications for my family. I figure a quart is roughly a regular can, a pint is roughly a large can, and a half pint is roughly a small can (like tomato paste). A year's supply of food for your family. This is for a family of 3. If you have a family of 4, increase by 25%, a family of 6, by 50%, etc. It also allows for a few company meals. Grains Pasta Legumes Dairy Sugar Shortening/Oil Salt Vegetables Fruits Meat Seeds Miscellaneous |
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TNbebo408
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Otskot, if you have a tractor supply company store near you or a farmers coop, you can get blocks of salt there cheap. $3.50 buys a fifty pound block, be sure to get the white blocks, not the red or yellow ones, they have minerals in them you don't need or want.
I put beans, rice, sugar, meal and flour in the big sealed ammo cans. I don't keep much flour or meal, I figure if TSHTF I can grab it when others are fighting over bread and milk. Some things I always keep ready, coleman lights, stoves, fuel for them, battery TV, radio, a car jump it unit, a solar charger hooked to the jumper unit, some solar driveway marker lights, a 12 volt air compressor to air up flat tires, some extra gas, and a lot of tools so I can fix my own junk and keep it running. Three changes of WORK clothes for all in the house, 12 new pairs of socks for each person, one spare pair of WORK boots, sleeping bags for all in the house, plus four extras, and three washed towels, wash rags for each person. |
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I think that the way things are going, none of us need to worry about
"shelf life" on any food purchases made now. I would adise you to
buy what you nornally eat, in the form of non frozen food. Take a
marking pen and put the date of purchase on everything, so you
can begin to use the oldest dates first.
You can expect at some point in time for the power to go down. Have some way to cook all the beans and rice you have stored. A camp stove and fuel (lots of it) AND Water, Water, Water... Better have a stout hand crank can opener, two wouldn't hurt. Stick matches for lighting the stove, and yes, candles for light. I'm storing for 18 months, and getting closer to that goal every day. I pray there is still time... |
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Welcome Kriztah, look forwards to seeing more of your ideas.
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otskot
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Thanks everyone, you all are a wealth of information! I'm taking this
week off of work to do a quick prep. Hopefully that'll be enough
time.
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TNbebo408
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otskot, did I mention to get you a bucket or two of lard. I put up several stands as we call them here.
Lard has many uses, cooking grease, use in place of butter in breads, cakes, does make em heavy though. But is better than a snowball. |
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I'm new to this site. I've seen lots of references to bread makers, but bread is really easy to make and uses all the foods that are easy to store. If you have a kitchenaid or a bosch it takes 5 minutes to mix. By hand, takes maybe 15. 3 c warm water 1/3 c honey or sugar 1/3 c vegatable or canola oil 1 1/2 Tb yeast 1 c bread flour (high gluten) 1Tb salt mix the above then add flour (white or wheat or combination of the two) until dough can be handled (pulling away from the sides on a bosch). This is usually 5-6 cups. Wheat flour, particularly hard red will require a little less than white flour. Knead for 5-8 minutes--use a little canola oil in your hands and on the counter to handle sticky dough. Split dough in half, and put in two greased bread pans. Raise until bulging over the top of the pans. If you need it to raise faster, put it in a 150 oven; slower, put it in the fridge. Bake at 350 for about 55 minutes. Check for doneness by popping the bread out of the pan and sticking a meat thermometer in the bottom of the loaf, Should be 180-200 degrees. It would be easy to cook round loaves in a dutch oven if you didn't have power. I'm domestically impaired and even I can make this. |
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thanks for the receipe. i have started a collection of bf forum receipes, when all is said and done, we should make a cookbook.
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At my grocery store in the bulk food isle, they always have recipes for free. Start collecting!
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Still looking for good tasting powdered whole eggs. Would like to be able to
scramble them once in a while, besides using them for cooking. Are any brands really edible by themselves? So for my experience has been lousy. Also haven't had much luck with powdered cheese or margerine. Any suggestions as to good brands? Thanks again. Rocky |
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P.S when you purchase your rice..buy some sauces to flavour it .. I also buy lots of kd, but when I make up the macorini I put chez whiz on it and save the pouches of cheese from the boxs for later(I do this because I prefer the chez whiz on my macoroni and it is available now)..a inexpensive sauce to pick up for rice soya sauce, but getting a variety of things is better... |
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My boys like soy sauce on their rice. My oldest son likes rice cooked with a bullion cube (or two) added to the water, and also some shredded carrot and a bit of dried parsley. Some people like a bit of ketchup, spaghetti sauce or other tomato product added to their rice. |
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KatDoe67 I second the bullion - both my boys like rice flavored like that. I had not thought of the shredded carrot or parsley - I will try that. If anyone has other ideas on simple things to do with rice I would like to see them too. Thanks |
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Cook chopped onions,( I use the frozen type) fry bacon or use bacon bits, add to the rice. This has a very good taste, its the filling for my stuffed cabbages, just minus the ground meat. |
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There are some very good ideas being posted here. Thank you all so much for sharing. I'm learning a lot from all of you.
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I'd like to suggest some of you look into the use of a pressure cooker. The military use them in the field, I use it a home for making chicken soup stock. I think I'll be getting some good prices for chicken bones. The pressure cooker is fast, versatile and economical to use. The pressure allows the food to be cooked at higher temperatures producing faster cooking times. This might be an important factor down the road. |
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Rice: Add a can of chunked chicken to rice cooked in boullion (I grew up on this). You can also add sliced mushrooms, onion, bacon or TVP, almonds, peas... Make pilaf by frying uncooked rice in a pan until brown, put in a casserole with twice as much boiling broth as rice, salt, and pepper. Cover and bake at 375 for an hour and a half, remove and stir, and add chopped vegetables (carrots, celery, broccoli, peas, etc.) and slimered almonds if available. Then bake for 30 more minutes. Or try substituing 1/2 c fruit (apple is good) or vegetable (tomato, etc) juice for 1/2 c water when cooking. Add one of the following herbs to cooking water: 1/2 tsp thyme, oregano, sage, or rosemary or or 1 small bay leaf. I have more if you need them. |
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Try adding a can of coconut milk, a can of pineapple(drain it, and add the liquid to the water used for rice. add a little curry, soy sauce. you can also add cooked cubed meat, water chestnuts, peas, carrots, green onion.
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If you have a dehrdrator; buy bags of frozen peas, thaw and dry. 1kg frozen = 250 gr dried Do the same with other frozen vege |
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I use vital wheat gluten form King Arthur Flour. With that you can use a variety of grains from barley and corn to quinoa and semolina to make bread.
Don't forget grain pilafs as well as side dishes and cereals. Leftovers can be used for salads, fried rice, and in breads. Be creative with what you have at hand. |
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