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    Posted: March 29 2008 at 12:52pm
I know that title sounds a little screwy.  A prep list for people that won't prep.  I am hoping someone has a list for suggestions for a list that could be given to people that havne't prepped that are going to have to run out to the store at the last minute.  I am sure that none of my family will be ready when panflu actually happens.  But if I had a premade simple list.  Basic nutition covered.
 
I was looking at the lifeboat list and second list with the multivitamin sounds good.  This is it:
Food g/day kg/person/10weeks
Wheat flour, wholemeal plain 150 10.5
Oats, raw 100 7.0
Oil, Canola 25 1.8
Milk powder, dry* 65 4.6
Lentils, dry 30 2.1
Peas, split, green/yellow, dry 40 2.8
Noodles, dry 50 3.5
Vegemite (yeast extract) 2 0.1
Fruit, mixed, dried 35 2.5
Almonds, raw 40 2.8
Multivitamin/mineral supplement One tablet One box


That list does seem a little low for 10 weeks though.
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I don't really have a list, but I have bought extra things for my oldest daughters family as she is not prepping. For her family of 4 I have purchased extra rice, beans, pasta, ramen noodles, canned fruit, canned veggies, tomato sauces and some canned goods for the kids like spaghettios, ravioli that type thing. As for other items I have on hand for them things like hand sanitizer, soap, shampoo, dish soap, toothpaste. They pretty much live paycheck to paycheck.
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Beans, rice, oil and iodized salt. S, M and A lived on lentils and water and looked more healthy than the rest. They can chew leaves for Vitamin C. Sailors did it. Ships dropped them off to die with scurvey and came back later to find them alive.
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Iamrobertson has started something here. The Americans are up to the challenge!!

Most Americans have never tasted Vegemite only have heard about it in a song!

This list came from a Morman family.

Main thing to remember new preppers is do not purchase any items that you do not use on a regular basis. Why, because you must use these goods on a regular basis to rotate your stock.

If you do not rotate your stock it just goes bad and no one wants money in the trash can.

So prep only with items you use!

This is a great list for 3 adults for 6 months.


Storage Item      Need For 6 Months For 3 People
Baking Powder           3 Lbs
Baking Soda         1.5 Lbs.
Bleach                 1.5 Gallons
Cheese (can)        15 Lbs
Cider Vinegar         1.5 Gallons
Dried Beans          60 Lbs
Dried Eggs           900 Eggs
Dried Potatoes          40 Lbs
Evaporated Milk          15 Cans
Fat, Oil, Shortening 30 Lbs
Fish and Meat Total 60 Cans
Fruit and Veg.         150 Quarts
Garbage Bags 55 Gal. 200 ea
Garbage Bags White   200 ea
Jello                   40 Pkgs.
Jelly or Jam           40 Pints
Juice                   75 Quarts
Kleenex                   As Much as you can
Paper Towels           40 Rolls
Pasta Total           150 Lbs.
Peanut Butter            15 Lbs
Powdered Milk            80 Lbs
Rice, Oatmeal,
Cornmeal Variety      150 Lbs.
Salt                    5 Lbs
Soup, Stew, Chili Cans 75 Cans
Sugar and Honey        75 Lbs
Toilet Paper            As Much as you can
Vitamin C and
Multivitamin          500 each vitamin
Water for 6-8 Weeks   200 Gallons
Wheat-White and Whole 300 Lbs.
Yeast                    3 Lbs


I think some of these quantites are way off example:

Take flour - 5 lb bag = 18 cups

An average loaf bread takes 3 cups flour.

If you have 200 lbs of flour equals 240 loaves of bread.

If you have 3 people and eat 2 loaves of bread a week that is 120 weeks of bread.

That is 2 years of bread as I see it.


My family does not eat much beans and rice (makes a complete protein) so I did not purchase all those beans and rice!!

Do not forget to add to this list candy, chocolate, popcorn, snacks you all like. If you are going to be stuck in the house for 6 months or more you need comfort food. I have lots of brownie mix my family loves brownies.

You must use your judgement as to quantites because you know how much your family eats and what they like to eat.

We are not big eaters but your family may like big quantites of mashed potatoes so purchase more of that than the pasta.

Do not forget spices, boullion cubes, pancake mix, small jars of mayo (for the tuna sandwiches). You can purchase spices cheap in big quantites at Sams or Costco. Again purchase only what you will use up over time.

For the Fruits and Vegies just take get a converson chart on the net for liquid quarts in oz. and convert to the size cans you purchase.

Remember some basic rules:

1. Electric may be OFF so plan for that. Have foods that do not need refrigeration. Do not purchase huge bottles or cans of items because you want to cook stuff and eat it all that day. No refrigeration for leftovers.

2. You may not have a lot of water. Save all the water off your can vegies and fruit and drink it or use that water to hydrate dried foods.
Or give that can water to the dog/cat.

3. Have a plan on what to do with all the waste you produce from all of this.
          A. Feed leftovers to the dog.
          B. Compost leftovers except the fats and meats.
          C. Have a plan for the human waste.
If you need web sites for that ask and I will get that for you.

4. Plan on not having a stove to cook on if you have electric. I have a wood stove and a big stack of wood. I also have a bbq with propane tanks full and a small camp stove.

I also have list on Medical and Personal items like soap ect.. but I will only post if someone has a question.

I hope this helps the first time preppers with food amounts. Thank you Iamrobertson for giving out your list made me think and want to help people new to getting prepared.
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Your Welcome flumom.  My mom and dad aren't prepping.  Can;t say a word or my mom just shuts me down.  They do have more on hand than most just because they shop in bulk for a few things.  For my parents and brothers and their families I want to  have a list that I can just email or hand them and say this is what you need.  Then they can divide the list up and start shopping quickly.

The bad thing about prepping that way.  I am hoping that for myself and my daughter we will be at the point that we will have most of everything we need when this strikes.  The last minute things I am grabbing are fresh produce, fresh meat.  If everyone is running crazy to grab what they think they need are they going to be smart about it.  Are the majority of people going to be grabbing fresh produce, meat etc.  Forgetting non refrigerated food.

I don't see how it would even be possible to run into a store at the last minute and get everything you need with out forgetting anything. 
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We are talking about people who will not prep now, right. So they are going to wait for what? The news that it has started. That will be too late. If the CFR is 3-5% it's too late. Forget the 50-90% going on now. If you do not want to see these people starve or catch the flu because they have to go out you must buy food for them. Unless you have a lot more money than I have you must go for great volume for little money. One dollar will buy over 3000 calories in beans, rice and oil. The beans and rice will store for years if done properly. I do not eat like this now and will not enjoy it then, but trust me after a little starvation beans and rice will be worth their weight in gold.
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I agree with you Suzi. When you are hungry any and all food tastes good.

It is sad but people are not getting ready. My mom and sister are like Iamrobertson's parents no prep. They think I am nuts.

People are waiting to prep for many reasons, some do not believe, some do not want to admit this could really happen, some do not have much money, ect...

Here is the good news. I have my own grocery store in my basement. I shop from there and I replenish every month or two. Like I said above I purchase only items we eat to make sense of all this money I have spent.   

I hope that when people see that prepping is just an extension of what they already purchase at the grocery store that they may prep.

The more people prepared the better off we all are.
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It's time for the news to hit the local level. Someone besides us should be telling them to prep.
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Hey, I was in Politics and one thing I learned is that the Media is only interested in making money not to tell anyone the truth.

When the BF sells papers they will print it. Until then or when people start dying that is when they will report that people should prepare.

Problem is they will give people conflicting prep information. So if you are not paying attention you and your family may pay the price.

Suzi, if you tell people what you are doing one of two things will happen, they will think you are crazy or when the BF hits they will show up at your door for your food and water.

Keep your mouth shut and get a gun. Sad but true.
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It's a little too late to keep my mouth shut. Once a few people know you may as well tell thousands. Then they know you don't have enough for all of them. We are on the verge of getting some things accomplished around here. If it will just hold off a couple of months more everyone in my county will be prepping or at least wondering if their neighbors are. I wonder what Michael Osterholm's plans are? I read somewhere a couple of years ago he was building a house in his hometown.
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I try to tell those around me to prep but it does me little good. They look at me like I'm crazy. I have been purchasing large quantities of rice, beans, canned vegetables, and multi vitamins to dispense to those who refuse to prepare. I only began to prep for others after I had more than one year of supplies for my family. I tell them that hope of avoidance is no excuse for a lack of preparation.
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I'm prepping for my wife and son, and most likely my in-laws. I don't bother talking to them about it anymore as they think I'm nuts - I just prep regardless. To be honest, if my wife knew about a tenth of the stuff that we have stashed around here, she'd freak out. Dad's apocalypse supplies are a running joke around here. To be honest it just makes me more determined to prep.
My wife's asthmatic, so I've been stocking up on ventolin and Primatene inhalers - I've got a dozen of them so far. I have (very) mild asthma so I'm going to see if my doctor can be persuaded to prescribe me some maintenance asthma meds with refills (my wife uses them as well as the rescue inhalers).
Iamrobertson and FluMom's lists are great - I'm going to save them on my computer, so if I get an inkling it's starting, I can give them to the in laws and hopefully get them to pad out what I have stored while they still can find things on the shelves. Thanks guys Thumbs%20Up
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I'm also done talking with my family.  My sister emailed me an article on how to prepare for earthquakes and so I in returned emailed her back explaining that you must prepare for more than that.  I futher explained what/how we do to prep for anything.  I also invited her family to my place in case the poopoo hits the fan.  She wrote back saying how nice and that was thoughtful of me.  One day I shall remind her of her email.  I have also spent a considerate amount of time explaining things to my parents who only can respond with "What's on TV tonight?"  I now have my family thinking I am some John Rambo survivalist type.
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I see so many folks buy tons of diffenent household products that take up so much room. Substituting items for times of emergency might help us with storage problems. (I copied this list years ago from a posting by Sue, there are no further references)
 

Uses For Baking Soda

Bicarbonate of soda or baking soda has many different uses in the household. Although much more expensive products have been developed over the years to do the same jobs, baking soda can work for you just as well, if not better. Use it in the following ways:

1. To make your own baking powder, stir and sift together 2 parts of Cream of Tartar to 1 part baking soda and 1 part cornstarch.

2. Be sure to keep an extra box of baking soda by your stove in case of grease or electrical fire. Scatter the powder by the handful to safely put it out.

3. Keep a container of baking soda in your garage as well as in your car to put out a fire. It won't damage anything it touches.

4. Baking soda will also put out fires in clothing, fuel, wood, upholstery and rugs.

5. Clean vegetables and fruit with baking soda. Sprinkle in water, soak and rise the produce.

6. Wash garbage cans with baking soda.

7. Soak and wash diapers with baking soda.

8. Oil and grease - stained clothing washes out better with soda added to the washing water.

9. Clean your fridge and freezer with dry soda sprinkled on a damp cloth. rinse with clear water.

10. Deodorize your fridge and freezer by putting in an open container of baking soda to absorb odors. Stir and turn over the soda from time to time. Replace every 2 months.

11. Soda absorbs kitty litter odors. Cover the bottom of the kitty box with 1 part soda; then add a layer of 3 parts kitty litter on top.

12. Always add 1/2 cup soda to your washing machine load.

13. Clean combs and brushes in a soda solution.

14. Wash food and drink containers with soda and water.

15. Wash marble-topped furniture with a solution of 3 tablespoons of soda in 1 quart of warm water. Let stand awhile, then rinse.

16. Clean formica counter tops with baking soda on a damp sponge.

17. Wash out thermos bottles and cooling containers with soda and water to get rid of stale smells.

18. To remove stubborn stains from marble, formica or plastic surfaces, scour with a paste of soda and water.

19. Wash glass or stainless steel coffee pots (but not aluminum) in a soda solution ( 3 tbsp. soda to 1 quart water).

20. Run you coffee maker through its cycle with a soda solution. Rinse.

21. Give baby bottles a good cleaning with soda and hot water.

22. Sprinkle soda on barbecue grills, let soak, then rinse off.

23. Sprinkle soda on greasy garage floor. Let stand, scrub and
rinse.

24. Polish silverware with dry soda on a damp cloth. Rub, rinse and dry.

25. For silver pieces without raised patterns or cemented-on handles: place the silver on aluminum foil in an enamel pot. Add boiling water and 4 tbsp. baking soda. Let stand, rinse and dry.

26. Reduce odor build-up in your dishwasher by sprinkling some soda on the bottom.

27. Run your dishwasher through its cycle with soda in it instead of soap to give it a good cleaning.

28. To remove burned-on food from a pan: let the pan soak in soda and water for 10 minutes before washing. Or scrub the pot with dry soda and a moist scouring pad.

29. For a badly-burned pan with a thick layer of burned-on food: pour a thick layer of soda directly onto the bottom of the pan, then sprinkle on just enough water so as to moisten the soda. Leave the pot overnight, then scrub it clean next day.

30. Rub stainless steel and chrome with a moist cloth and dry baking soda to shine it up. Rinse and dry. On stainless steel, scrub in the direction of the grain.

31. Clean plastic, porcelain and glass with dry soda on a damp cloth. Rinse and dry.

32. Remove that bad smell from ashtrays with soda and water.

33. Sprinkle a bit of dry soda in your ashtrays to prevent smoldering and reduce odor.

34. Clean your bathroom with dry soda on a moist sponge - sink, tub, tiles, shower stall, etc.

35. Keep your drains clean and free-flowing by putting 4 tablespoons of soda in them each week. Flush the soda down with hot water.

36. Soak your shower curtains in water and soda to clean them.

37. Bee sting: use a poultice of baking soda and water.

38. Windburns: moisten some baking soda and apply directly.

39. Making Play Clay with baking soda: combine 1 1/4 cups water, 2 cups soda, 1 cup cornstarch.

40. Use soda as an underarm deodorant.

41. If your baby spits up on his shirt after feeding, moisten a cloth, dip it in baking soda and dab at the dribbled shirt. The odor will go away.

42. When scalding a chicken, add 1 tsp. of soda to the boiling water. The feathers will come off easier and flesh will be clean and white.

43. Repel rain from windshield. Put gobs of baking soda on a dampened cloth and wipe windows inside and out.

44. Add to water to soak dried beans to make them more digestible.

45. Add to water to remove the "gamey" taste from wild game.

46. Use to sweeten sour dishcloths.

47. Use dry with a small brush to rub canvas handbags clean.

48. Use to remove melted plastic bread wrapper from toaster. Dampen cloth and make a mild abrasive with baking soda.

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Mix a pinch in with your regular hair shampoo, to rid your hair of buildup caused by styling products and the environment. It works great.

Brush your teeth for a brighter healthier smile.  Annie
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Tadeo and Jacksdad we will always be considered nuts for prepping but I can tell you the thought of the alternative is worse. I just keep adding and adding and I am always looking for more hiding places.

Just cleaned out my shed and will be filling it with TP and paper goods. Hubby will yell be I will be using it all and replace it, I will just have more than most people.

Keep prepping folks.

Annie great post on "Soda"!
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