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arirish
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Isil militants seize chemical weapons factory UN letter confirms June 19 claim by Washington that Isil had taken control of the facility afp Published: 12:51 July 9, 2014 United Nations The Iraqi government has told the United Nations that militants have seized one of Saddam Hussain’s former chemical weapons factories, confirming an earlier claim by Washington. In a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon dated July 1 and made public Tuesday, Baghdad’s UN Ambassador Mohammad Ali Al Hakim said “armed terrorist groups” entered the Muthanna project site on the night of June 11 after disarming the soldiers guarding it. As a result, Baghdad was currently unable to “fulfill its obligations to destroy chemical weapons,” Al Hakim wrote, adding that “remnants of the (country’s) former chemical weapons program” are kept at the site. “The government will resume its efforts with regards to its obligations as soon as the security situation has improved and control of the facility has been regained,” he added. At dawn on June 12, the site’s surveillance system, disabled by “the terrorists,” showed there was “looting of some equipment and appliances,” he wrote. The letter confirms a June 19 claim by Washington that islamist militants had taken control of the facility. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said at the time that she didn’t think the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) militants would be able to produce usable chemical weapons there because any materials remaining there were old and unwieldy. The militants have led a month-old crisis that has seen an islamist-led alliance overrun large swaths of northern and north-central Iraq, displacing hundreds of thousands. The complex, located just 45 miles (72 kilometers) northwest of the Iraqi capital, began producing mustard gas and other nerve agents, including sarin, in the early 1980s soon after Saddam took power, according to a CIA factsheet. The program expanded to its height during the Iran-Iraq war later that decade, and produced 209 and 394 tons of sarin in 1987 and 1988 respectively. But the CIA writes that the facility shut down after the first Gulf war, when UN resolutions “proscribed Iraq’s ability to produce chemical weapons.” In the early 1990s, the site was used to oversee efforts to destroy Iraq’s chemical weapons stockpile. http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iraq/isil-militants-seize-chemical-weapons-factory-1.1357555 |
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Oh. I thought "Bush lied"? You mean they did have mustard and sarin?
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Bush did not lie ,anybody that thinks he did is stupid as hell!
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The Russians built WMD plants for their clients Iraq and Syria. When TSHTF in Iraq, truckloads of chem weapons were relocated up to Syria from Iraq 'cause the Russians (i.e. our good friends) didn't want to be blamed for stuff.
There are TONS of VX floating around, one pin-head sized drop on your skin will cause an awful death! Look up the acronym SLUDGE. Search that term together with "nerve agent." It is just a matter of time before we get bitch-slapped again. Of course, our own stupid public health scientists at CDC, NIH, Univ Wisconsin etc. may be the ones to do it before the ISIS terrorists get their chance!!
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onefluover
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I was being facetious. I support Bush vehemently. And that being before I found out I am closely related to Gov., and maybe next Pres., Scott Walker, the "W" in the Bushes name. Does anybody remember the ship thought to be carrying WMDs out of Iraq that was being tailed by US Navy and then that story just vanished? I think the US Gov. knows where the chem agents/weapons went to but cannot disclose that knowledge without sparking a Third World War. Kenneth E Clodfelter, killed on the USS Cole was my cousin. The weapons were there. But that is not why we attacked. Bushes attack on Iraq was over the Cole bombing, 9-11 and the attempt on his fathers life. A sitting President. |
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onefluover
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Edited due to irrelevancy.
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ISIS Has Seized 88 Pounds Of Uranium In Northern Iraq http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-09/isis-has-seized-88-pounds-uranium-northern-iraq |
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That's not good. That's enough for numerous dirty bomms.
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If one or more show up here I wonder who gets the blame for that?
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Look the American people are going to get what they deserve. They put Obama in the White House and Dem majority in the Senate.
This is one of the reasons I prep. Dirty bombs, or whatever gets thrown at us at least I can last it out for a time. |
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The article clearly states that the CIA believed the facility ceased to produce chemical weapons after the first Gulf War. Yes, Saddam had and used chemical weapons. That's a matter of historical record and nobody denies it. He used them on the battlefield against Iranian soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war while the US looked the other way, and he used them again on Kurdish villagers using US made helicopters, the sale of which was pushed through by the Reagan administration and Donald Rumsfeld despite congressional opposition. Saddam was a monster, but he was our monster... |
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I agree somewhat with your comment, JacksDad. Saddam was a monster we certainly had our hand in creating. Including by a Republican Admin. It was an obvious failure. It later became our duty to take out the monster we helped create. In the first Gulf War we chose not to take him out personally. A mistake of Bush Sr. As it lead to the attempt by Saddam to Assassinate a sitting US president. Above all else, that must never go unpunnished. Yes we started that fight by attacking Iraq to begin with. But did we really start it? As I remember, our monster creation invaded and committed atrocities upon our ally Kuwait. He was given ample warning to pull out. At that point we had no choice but to put him and his machine in check. But without actually assassinating him personally. He should of just licked his wounds and said, "Fair enough". But instead he plotted to kill Bush Sr. In my opinion that is the only true reason the second war happened. The excuse of WMDs was just to win over support of the other half of our country who hate the Bushes. whether they ever existed, were removed to Syria/Russia, or hidden in Iraq wasnt the true point. (In this regard i suppose Bush may have fibbed after all. Obama has told a mountain of strategic fibs for differant reasons. Everyone on the left knows this and supports it.) History will show what the US will do if you ever try to assassinate one of our presidents. In my opinion the response would have been the same by GW Bush if the attempt had been against Clinton.
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Never been a big fan of Dubya (to put it politely) but I have to give Bush Sr a lot of credit for not pushing on to Baghdad while he was opening a can of whoop-ass on the Iraqi Republican Guard. He's a smart man with a wealth of experience, including VP and Director of the CIA, and he knew full well that whoever ousted Saddam would have to run the country by default, and he wasn't willing to commit to a long, drawn out (and expensive) campaign that would undoubtedly turn into a bloody Sunni-Shiite civil war, and a no win situation as it spiraled into sectarian violence. Shame his kid wasn't checking his voice mail messages while Cheney and Rumsfeld were whispering in his ear, because I bet dear old Dad had the phone ringing off the hook.
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I'm not much into national politics but it seems to me that we've been stepping in it over there for a long time! The Sunni's, the Shiites and the Wahhabi's all hate us and the only reason they tolerate our presence is because "The enemy of my enemy is my friend!". I doubt if any of the last five presidents knew one sect from the other. We are infidels and the great Satan to them and our politicians just don't get it!
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arirish,you are 100% correct.johnray1
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The rally cry: "Bush lied, soldiers died." was to imply that he made up the WMD scenario as an excuse to invade when there were no such weapons. But there was indisputable proof the weapons were once there somewhere. How could that have possibly been a lie? When I say he may have fibbed I meant that he never once brought up the failed attempt on his fathers life. To of never of brought it up means to me that that was his primary reason for going in. "To talk about oneself not at all is a very refined form of hypocrisy." If he lied or mislead as to what privately drove him then I can accept that. But to me it was an honorable deed. If it had been Clinton who was the victim of an assassination attempt then I'm sure Bush would have said, "Look, regardless of the proof of WMDs, we cannot and will not let this stand." But because that sitting president was his very own father, for this president to openly, proudly and publicly proclaim that, would have been fraught with pitfalls. So the WMD issue was used instead. Which in and of itself was enough... |
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don't get me started http://downingstreetmemo.com/ Bush and Tony Blair are both lying sacks of SH_T war criminals and we won't get into the # of governments that the US has overthrown or destabilized |
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Really? When, where and what kind? |
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Absolutely! GHWB was dumped on for not invading Iraq, but it was the right idea....we bottled Saddam up well with no-fly zones, embargoes etc. He was only a threat to his own people. I initially supported the invasion 'cause I was sucked in by Gen. Powell's testimony....won't get fooled again! The whole place is beyond salvation, we should just sit back and enjoy the show. BTW, I'm pretty damn impressed with the Israeli "Iron Dome" missile defense system.
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Many of these situation started years and years ago under the British Empire. The British liked to combine at least three different groups of people (Pak istan) Pashtun, Afghan, and Kashmiri or Iraq with Kurds, Sunni and Shiites. The basic idea was, if you could keep them fighting with each other it was easier to keep them weak and subservient. The problem starts when you remove the Empire or the strong man, there's no one to keep them from fighting the old battles. It's why George I left Saddam in charge and why the biggest mistake George II made was removing all of the Baathist. Something most people in the west don't understand is that many of these country s need a dictator. It's the only thing keeping them from killing each other!
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I could dig it all up I suppose but not necessary. Halabja for starters. http://history1900s.about.com/od/saddamhussein/a/husseincrimes.htm And as for Bush being so unpopular, well here's a real popular alternative: Obama approval high with Muslims The survey underscores a religious divide when it comes to presidential approval. | AP Photo Close By JONATHAN TOPAZ | 7/11/14 6:06 AM EDT President Barack Obama’s approval rating is higher among Muslims than any other religious group, a new poll says. According to a Gallup poll released Friday that tracked responses for the first six months of 2014, 72 percent of Muslims said they approve of the president, compared with just 20 percent who disapprove. Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/poll-obama-approval-muslims-highest-108797.html |
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CRS,DrPH said: BTW, I'm pretty damn impressed with the Israeli "Iron Dome" missile defense system. HAMAS JUST ATTEMPTED TO CREATE A HORRIFIC NUCLEAR DISASTER IN THE HEART OF ISRAEL After the horrors of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, how insane do you have to be to fire missiles directly at a major nuclear facility? Image Credits: Amir Farshad Ebrahimi via Flickr by MICHAEL SNYDER | ECONOMIC COLLAPSE | JULY 11, 2014 17210 After the horrors of the Fukushima nuclear disaster, how insane do you have to be to fire missiles directly at a major nuclear facility? No matter what side you are on in the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians, everyone should be able to agree that it is utter madness for Hamas to fire rockets at the Dimona nuclear installation in the Negev. The intent, of course, was to destroy the Dimona facility and create a horrific nuclear disaster in the heart of Israel. Fortunately, the area is heavily protected by the Iron Dome missile defense system and none of the rockets did any damage. And it is questionable how much damage to the facility that Hamas missiles could actually do. But that is not the point. What matters is that Hamas is trying to do it. With each passing year, Hamas rockets are becoming more advanced, more accurate and more powerful. And when Hamas fires some of their best rockets at a major nuclear facility, they are committing an act of all-out war. If Hamas continues to do this, it could spark a major regional war in which countless numbers of people could die. Is that what they want? http://www.infowars.com/hamas-just-attempted-to-create-a-horrific-nuclear-disaster-in-the-heart-of-israel/ |
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The 1988 Kurdish gas attack I already mentioned in my post? So that's why Bush went to war fifteen years later...
Funny thing about that period - Reagan and his lackey Donald Rumsfeld (remember him?) had taken Iraq off the State Department's terrorism list in 1982 in spite of considerable congressional opposition, and declassified documents of Rumsfeld's meetings in Baghdad debunk his repeated assertions that he raised concerns about Iraq's use of chemical weapons to Saddam personally. What was taking place on the battlefields of the Iran-Irag war while Rumsfeld was shaking Saddam's hand was certainly no secret - Secretary of State George Shultz had been told about Iraq's "almost daily use of CW (chemical weapons)" against the Iranians in November 1983 by the State department - and yet nobody was clamoring to invade Iraq back then even though we knew they not only possessed WMDs, but were manufacturing them in huge quantities. In truth, the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper - the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations didn't just look the other way while Iraqi officials scoured the world for equipment and chemical precursors during the eighties. According to a 2002 Washington Post article by Michael Dodd, “the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications, including poisonous chemicals and deadly biological viruses, such as anthrax and bubonic plague". Dodd goes on to say that after the 1991 Gulf War, U.N. inspectors “compiled long lists of chemicals, missile components, and computers from American suppliers, including such household names as Union Carbide and Honeywell, which were being used for military purposes” in Iraq. And at least some of the helicopters used in the Halabja attack you mentioned were probably ones that Reagan had sold them in the face of yet more congressional opposition. And then there's the "Downing Street memo" which references a secret July 23rd 2002 meeting of British government, military and intelligence officials which concluded that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy". Yep, even Bush's staunchest ally in the Iraq War officially considered him a liar. "My biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq". George W Bush, 2008. He's talking about the lack of WMDs, by the way.... |
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No. He went to war to avenge his fathers assassination attempt. He used some of the things you've well-cited as a precursor. Knowing the goods were there. I won't argue with you, JD, that the world very well may have been deceived on a grand scale, but only so far as his true reasoning for the war. Kind of like Al Capone. Any way they can. Remember "Falling Down"? "they lie to the fish." Bush pulled his ticket.
And Obama has deliberately sabotaged his efforts in order to promulgate and then cover up secrets of his own. |
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Not arguing for the sake of it, buddy. Just telling it like I see it and countering statements that I don't agree with.
Yes, Saddam almost certainly tried to take out GHWB in Kuwait, but does that justify what you're now saying is a Bush family vendetta that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives since 2003, and potentially paved the way for Iraq to become a radical Islamic state that hates us with a passion? Personally, I don't believe that was the primary reason - too many people had too much to gain from that war. Look at the incredible business opportunity handed to Halliburton from an administration that had their ex-CEO as VP. When it was all added up, Halliburton made $39.5 billion from the Iraq war. Am I being too cynical? Maybe. But if the shoe was on the other foot, and a business that either Obama or Biden had recently left profited to that extent from a contract they didn't even have to bid on, I guarantee that Boehner and co would be shouting it from the rooftops - and rightly so. Solyndra? Give me a break. As much noise as everyone made over that, at least it didn't result in the untimely deaths of over 4000 US servicemen and women, and almost 1.5 million of the Iraqis we were supposed to be liberating. Okay, I'll zip it now. Probably. Well... |
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Hey. You've got some points. I'm taking notes...
I cannot sit here and say I support so many dead over a family vendetta alone. That is certainly quite extreme. However, an assassination of our president is no less than an assassination of our country. Those who would stand in the way of meeting out justice against their leader, architect of the plot, if they don't stand down will go down with him. That's just how it goes in war. But the question is, do I support the action that ensued regardless of the order of reasons for the action? Yes, I do. |
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Don't get me wrong, onefluover - I was certainly no fan of Saddam. I just think it's a shame they couldn't get a sniper in there and take the SOB out clean (and his sons, as well as any like minded generals, politicians, ba'athist party officials, etc). He definitely needed to go, but I'm not sure waging war on an entire country and leaving them with a broken economy and a civil war was the best way to do it. However the people in charge pictured a post-Saddam Iraq, I bet this isn't it.
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onefluover and jacksdad, I really do not know if Bush attacked Iraq because Saddam had tried to kill one of our Presidents(who happened to be his father),but when orders from the top come down to kill an American President,it can not just be forgotten about.It has to acted on.I would have preferred that they had used a sniper or a Nuke,because if they had done it that way,my son would not have been blown up in by an IED.He is not dead,but he will be in pain from his broken back for the rest of life.He did not have to go to Iraq because he is an only son,but he refused to use that to keep from going because basically all of our family has served in what ever war we had going on.-------But let's get back to WMD that we supposedly invaded Iraq to take from them. They did find WMD production plants and precursors fro make the WMD. But they could not report the find because many of the factory parts and barrels of precursors,had "Made in USA"still stamped on them. Saddam had WMDs and we knew that he did,because we gave them to him.Johnray1
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I'm so sorry to hear about your son. Please thank him for his service for me.
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