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    Posted: August 07 2014 at 4:11pm
I'm reading some strange stuff about this town in Texas that was quarantined by FEMA for Ebola.

"On Monday, FEMA reported cases of the Ebola virus appearing along the southern borders of New Mexico and Texas. The virus could have easily traveled through Mexico to the US through infected travelers, says Dave Shilling, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Arizona."

http://dailyleak.org/2014/07/epidemic-due-to-illegals-the-ebola-virus-has-spread-to-the-us-from-mexico/

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Well that's interesting.
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Did you also read this statement?

"The patient had worked as a healthcare worker in both Antigua and Barbuda, where the Pan American Health Organization has reported four confirmed cases."

So, is the Caribbean being affected too?
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Well if is true, this could mean that it's now arriving in other countries as well.  I suppose the airborne argument is a moot point. Regardless, imported cases are inevitable with a cluster brewing the size of West Africa.  




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This is a hoax site. Did you not read the comments? this fake satire has been making the rounds for a week now.  NOT funny. The site should be sued, like screaming FIRE in crowded theater
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The website that put this story out is being accused of having "fake news". I sure hope this is a fake news story.
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It could be a spin off from this story.


Ebola Already in the USA, Across Mexican Border, Doctors Fear: UPDATED Aug. 5

Ebola Already in the USA, Across Mexican Border, Doctors Fear:  UPDATED Aug. 5

UPDATED August 5 (2:30 AM EST)  — In New York City, Mt. Sinai Hospital is testing an American who visited West Africa for possible Ebola infection, displaying symptoms of Ebola,  ABC News and Fox News are now reporting on August 4.

From March 1918 to January 1919, a virulent strain of ordinary flu (influenza) spread in a pandemic of three waves throughout the United States, and killed an estimated 675,000 Americans, while the same flu spreading worldwide killed an estimated 30-50 million between 1918 and 1919.

Today, politically-correct leaders have learned nothing, but place public image above public health.  Today’s medical and political leaders are more interested in keeping people calm than keeping them safe.

Government documents leaked from the Customs and Border Patrol, as reported by Bretibart, show “Among the significant revelations are that individuals from nations currently suffering from the world’s largest Ebola outbreak have been caught attempting to sneak across the porous U.S. border into the interior of the United States.  At least 71 individuals from the three nations affected by the current Ebola outbreak have either turned themselves in or been caught attempting to illegally enter the U.S. by U.S. authorities between January 2014 and July 2014.”

In West Africa, Ebola has already  broken out of containment and is spreading into major African cities, as reported by NewsMax in “WHO [World Health Organization]:  Ebola Spreading Too Fast, ‘Catastrophic’”.   “CONAKRY, Guinea — An Ebola outbreak that has killed more than 700 people in West Africa is moving faster than efforts to control the disease, the head of the World Health Organization warned as presidents from the affected countries met Friday in Guinea’s capital.”  CBS News is reportinga doctor in the Liberian capital of Monrovia “who spoke to CBS News on condition of confidentiality, said the disease is spinning out of control in Africa partly because it is extremely difficult to contain it in a sprawling, congested city center.”  (Emphasis added.)

NewsMax further reported:  “Randy Schoepp, chief of diagnostics at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, which is running the only lab in Liberia testing Ebola samples, said (emphasis added):

The virus is getting to large, dense, city areas [in Western Africa]. We’re now getting samples (to test) from all over.”

But he said he thinks “we’re only seeing a small portion of the cases out there,” partly because many drivers are scared to transport vials of blood that may contain Ebola to the lab.”

As reported by Agence France Press (AFP), Nigerian authorities said Monday that a second doctor in the sprawling megacity of Lagos has contracted Ebola.  This is significant because movement of the disease out of rural pockets into major cities dramatically transforms the potential for a break-out into a rapidly-expanding pandemic.

AFP continued:  “The confirmation that a fourth doctor in the region had developed Ebola came Monday as fear and anger about the dead being left unburied in Liberia’s capital Monrovia brought protesters into the streets there.  Meanwhile, Sierra Leone’s president said that the regional epidemic threatened the ‘very essence’ of the nation. …  The latest doctor to be infected had attended to Patrick Sawyer, who worked for Liberia’s finance ministry and contracted the virus from his sister before travelling to Lagos for a meeting of west African officials.  Nigeria’s Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu told journalists that 70 other people believed to have come into contact with Sawyer, who has also died, were being monitored.”

Dr. Jane Orient – DC Clothesline reports —  one of Arizona’s top physicians as well as other researchers have been told by Border Patrol informants  that as many as 100,000 migrants from unknown countries have been allowed into the United States under the same provisions that President Obama is presently admitting so-called “unaccompanied minors.”  Many of these people come from the same region of the world as the uncontained outbreak of Ebola. As Dr. Orient said in her interview on The Common Sense Show, on June 30, 2014, “It is not a matter of if Ebola comes into the United States, but when.”

In a 2012 scientific study reported in Nature in 2012, the most serious strain Ebola Zaire was proven to travel without contact with any bodily fluids  Ebola Zaire jumped through the air from infected piglets to macaque monkeys in a proven experimental context.  One should recall that the virus originated in monkeys and jumped to humans.   “All it takes is one cough, one sneeze, one drop of saliva, and the virus is loose in one of the main transportation centers of the U.S.,” journalist Paul Craig Roberts wrote.

Contact with bodily fluids was not required for transmission of the infection in the Reston incident.  On October 4, 1989, Ebola-infected monkeys from the Philippines (a crab-eating type of macaque) were imported as laboratory animals into Reston, Virginia, only 22 miles from The White House populated business center straddling major commuting routes straight into the Nation’s Capitol.   “The Ebola Reston virus jumped quickly from room to room… Ebola apparently drifted through the building’s air-handling ducts.” Ileana Johnson reports.

Two (2) of the 100 monkeys arrived dead in their crates when the Ebola-infected animals arrived at the monkey house called the Reston Primate Quarantine Unit operated by Hazelton Research Products, a division of Corning, Inc.   Within 6 weeks, 29 more died.  It took nearly 7 weeks for an intern Thomas Geisbert to discover that the cause was Ebola — in fact, a new Ebola Reston, a mutated strain of Ebola Zaire.  Two monkey handlers got sick, one had a heart attack and another one was sent to the Fairfax Hospital with flu like symptoms and vomiting.

Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet,  2014 Ellis Island Medal of Honor winner, and Past Executive Director of The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons  explains concerns that at least some illegal aliens who have already come across the US-Mexican border  could also be infected with Ebola alongside possible Tuberculosis (TB), chicken pox, etc., and the Obama Administration could mis-categorize those cases as only Tuberculosis (TB).  Dr. Vliet’s medical and educational websites are www.HerPlace.com, and www.InternationalHealthStrategiesLtd.com.

The chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers (NAFBPO), Zack Taylor reported to DC Clothesline that West African illegal immigrants are presently coming into the U.S. through Mexico. These West Africans have been apprehended in the Rio Grande Valley sector in the last few years. Some of these groups speak Spanish in order to infiltrate into the United States posing as Central American immigrants. Mr. Taylor has stated that West Africans are using the porous southern border to illegally enter the USA, but leaves it to the medical professionals to determine the likelihood of them carrying Ebola.

Furthermore, the discovery of hundreds of dead bodies strewn across the desert leading across Mexico into the United States and just across our border raises further questions about exactly how those would-be border-crossers died before reaching their destination.  (In some cases, the causes are clear such as violence, but in many cases not.)

In the United States, some medical professionals conclude that Ebola cases have so far been quarantined, but the underlying policy is leaving an unacceptable risk that further infected people will slip through the border undetected or infect others before being contained.  A refusal to change the underlying policy is risking a pandemic.

For a couple of decades, Ebola has simmered in very small, rural areas in Africa.  It has been kept isolated and in small numbers, aided partly by the 60 - 90% mortality rate and relatively rapid development of disease.  Tribal and rural values also hindered the spread.  Even now, foreign doctors are being met with young men from villages armed with knives and clubs.  The doctors are warned away, with the explanation:  “Wherever those people have passed, the communities have been hit by illness.”  They don’t understand that the disease is only diagnosed, not spread, by the doctors.  The New York Times reports:  “Villagers flee at the sight of a Red Cross truck. When a Westerner passes, villagers cry out, “Ebola, Ebola!” and run away.

But once the Ebola disease reaches more-modern cities, with mass transit, a catastrophic pandemic could spread quickly around the world.   During past epidemics, humans did not have the capacity to travel significantly more rapidly than the development of deadly disease.  Never before has a serious epidemic broken out when humans can move around the planet faster than the symptoms of disease can be noticed.  And our modern mode of travel — unlike ships or trains or covered wagons — heavily concentrate infected people for hours at a time with other humans traveling from widely diverse points of origin to widely diverse destinations.  Thus, modern travel creates a mixing bowl capable of spinning disease around the globe at an astonishing potential rate.

NewsMax continues:  “Over the last weeks, there has been a significant surge in the epidemic – the number of cases has increased dramatically in Sierra Leone and Liberia, and the disease has spread to many more villages and towns,” the organization said in a statement. “After a lull in new cases in Guinea, there has been a resurgence in infections and deaths in the past week.  At least 729 people have died since cases first emerged in March: 339 in Guinea, 233 in Sierra Leone, 156 in Liberia and one in Nigeria.”

Was it necessary to bring the Ebola patients to America?   

Dr. Bob Arnot, an expert on Ebola, who has treated Ebola patients, said on Fox’s Judge Jeanine Show that it is not.  He also pointed out that he personally witnessed two doctors die of Ebola after minor contact with patients. Watch the video of his explanation here:

One doctor consulted for this article pointed out that government policy does not permit doctors or other medical personnel to quarantine AIDS patients, and often not even to notify people in contact with AIDS patients of the infection.  This might be considered to place these events in context.

Recall that during past mass migrations to the USA, arrivals were sorted on Ellis Island precisely so that those whose healthy status could not be confirmed were isolated in the dormitories on Ellis Island until any danger had passed.  Today’s medical threats are now more serious yet the safeguards less protective.  For these diseases, Ellis Island would be too close to large U.S. populations yet also a more secure quarantine.

But in sharp contrast, the respected news website DC Clothesline reports “The U.S. Is Quietly Establishing Ebola Quarantine Centers” (July 29, 2014), first reminding us that:  “Fatality rates can reach 90% and the incubation period is 2 to 21 days. THERE IS NO VACCINE OR CURE (CDC).”  And “Ebola hemorrhagic fever broke out in West Africa in March, and is totally out of control as one of the most deadly illnesses has crossed into seven African countries. The illness causes fever, headache, and internal and external bleeding. It is transmitted person to person through body fluids, and has up to a 90% mortality rate.”  (NewsMax quotes medical authorities as observing a 60% rate in recent cases.)

The behavior of the Obama Administration when faced with damaging failures — such as the “Fast and Furious” gun-running fiasco and Benghazi — is to instinctively cover up their policy and administrative failures, even going to extreme measures to immediately spin elaborate diversions and cover stories.

DC Clothesline further reports:  “Presently, we are shipping potentially disease ridden populations to every major metropolitan area in the United States. The illegal immigrants normally spend about 24-72 hours in detention and are released through the use of tax-supported public and private transportation and are subsequently delivered all over the country. Local officials, attempting to find  housing for these illegal immigrants, are making used of closed schools and abandoned buildings. This places our local communities in direct contact with the immigrant population which will increase the rate of the transmissibility of these diseases and viruses. Further, as these illegal immigrants are landed in our international airports, they are having transmissible disease type contact with regular travelers who will become potential carriers to their points of destination.”

And DC Clothesline also reports:  “I spoke with a nurse, afraid of losing her job for revealing secretive health information, and she told me on Sunday that select personnel in a Phoenix area hospital received a confidential memo detailing the symptoms of Ebola. A reader told me upon being treated in a Washington DC emergency room, that she saw a sign on the wall listing the symptoms of Ebola. Even if the CDC and state and county health organizations have not yet publicly expressed concern and issued alerts, there are some officials who taking this seriously enough to spread the word to some of our hospitals.”

KVIA.com, an ABC affiliate, is reporting that El Paso, Texas has also been chosen as a “quarantine station”:

The Centers for Disease Control has designated El Paso as one of 20 quarantine stations for the ebola virus.

The Sun City is part of a comprehensive system designed to prevent the spread of the disease in the United States.

A different doctor with decades of experience as a trauma physician confirmed today to this author that the early signs of Tuberculosis (TB) and Ebola are nearly identical.

Therefore, the allegations are plausible, the third doctor confirms, that the Obama Administration is putting illegal aliens infected with Ebola under quarantine and calling them TB patients.

The allegations are that the Ebola patients are under lock-down.  In fact, the Obama Administration has already confirmed that one facility housing recent border-crossers is in quarantine — but saying it is only due to chicken pox.  The Last Refuge blog analyzes a Washington Times story:  “However, a little more research into the Artesia, New Mexico, Detainment Center and you can find out a week prior a little-known CDC/DHS inspection found there were 89 (eighty-nine) cases of Tuberculosis identified in the exact same facility.”   Clearly, if there were 89 cases of TB, as reported by the Current Argus News in New Mexico, the closure would not be announced as being for chicken pox, but for the 89 cases of TB — unless the government is deliberately trying to deceive.

The third doctor consulted by this author explains that that is extremely improbable.  Chicken pox is not deadly.  While chicken pox can be a serious infection for weakened patients like the elderly and young children, particularly those who lack proper medical care, there is little danger of chicken pox escaping into the pre-existing U.S. population.

Chicken pox is already widely present among U.S. citizens and residents.  Most living in the U.S.A. have already had chicken pox as children or have already been exposed without developing into a serious outbreak. Therefore, most U.S. citizens and residents are already immune, having developed a natural immunity from exposure to the disease.  Moreover, if U.S. citizens and residents came down with chicken pox, the U.S. medical system would be able to take very good care of them in most cases.

Therefore, it seems highly improbable that one would lock down an immigrant facility to keep chicken pox from escaping out into the U.S. population.  Those inside the immigrant facility would be at far greater risk than those outside.

Locking down an immigrant facility would be much better explained by a much-more serious illness outbreak that the Obama Administration is unwilling to admit for what it is, using chicken pox as an excuse.

For those religiously minded, the horrifying nature of the Ebola disease may be seen as a judgement on the world, if it continues to spread.

http://aun-tv.com/ebola-already-in-the-usa-across-mexican-border-doctor-alleges/

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^Nah.  We've had African outbreaks of viral hemorrhagic fevers in the past, especially Lassa Fever and Ebola in Kenya & Congo etc.   I don't even consider Ebola to be the worst of the bunch (Lassa bothers me more).  Some, like Marburg, are just waiting in the bush. 

One thing that helps us is that the infection process of Ebola is really pretty damn fast, so the inapparent infection stage is very short.  Therefore, we don't have the long, drawn-out asymptomatic "carrier" phase of viral colonization & growth typical of coronaviruses, orthomyxoviridae (flu) etc.  Also, I don't think we have "super-spreaders," but time will tell if those exist. 

This type of thing was bound to happen in Africa, sooner or later.  We have incredible urbanization underway, migrant populations all over the continent, many reservoirs (bats, primates etc.) and poor eduction & communication, not to mention superstition & lack of basic medical facilities.  Infectious disease guys like me have been yelling about this for years, but something else (H5N1 etc.) always comes along and distracts the policymakers. 

If we get a few cases in the USA, so be it.  We can stamp them out rapidly.  
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I guess the biggest difference between the developed nations and the third world is our levels of hygiene. We all have flushing loos and hot water on tap, we all have access to soap and know the basics of germ transfer.
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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KiwiMum,we also do not S*** in the street just to prove that we are not like the white man.Johnray1
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Johnray, I have a friend currently working in the Congo. It's a whole different (and scary) world over there. 
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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

^Nah.  We've had African outbreaks of viral hemorrhagic fevers in the past, especially Lassa Fever and Ebola in Kenya & Congo etc.   I don't even consider Ebola to be the worst of the bunch (Lassa bothers me more).  Some, like Marburg, are just waiting in the bush.



I'm surprised that Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea and Nigeria have screwed up as badly as they have with Ebola, because Lassa hemorrghic fever is endemic in - you guessed it - Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea and Nigeria. With studies showing up to half a million cases of Lassa fever per year in West Africa and about 5,000 deaths, don't you think that the experience would have made them supremely qualified to control this outbreak?
No, wait - apparently they suck with Lassa Fever too...


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I just checked the story that started this thread. I like the picture they used, but that could just be because I really love the movie "ET".



LOL

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Nah JD, its one of those corpses they got from the Roswell crash.LOL
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KiwiMum,I believe you.We had Dr.from Southern West Virginia who had bought large tracts of land in Africa.He was an Orthopedic Surgeon and he was very good and he worked his butt off 24/7 for years.I really do know how he kept his pace up. He took referrals from me whether they had insurance or money or not and he fixed them.Anytime day or night. A while back he decided to go to Africa to see what he had bought.
When he got there,he found out that poachers were working his land. He ordered them to stop and they told him to go home or die. It scarred his wife and she came home. This man not only worked incredibly hard,he was also not afraid of anything. He stayed to stop the poaching.They killed him. Johnray1
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Sad story Johnray1. The good ones always die doing the right thing.

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There is no quarantine in Salineno, Texas.  There is no Ebola here. This is false.
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