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justintime
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Posted: August 14 2014 at 9:32pm |
Ebola Virus Particles Can Be Transmitted By Air - Prof. S.A. OmilabuIn an interview with Sahara TV, Professor Sunday Aremu Omilabu – the
Consultant Virologist College of Medicine, University of Lagos, speaks
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cobber
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He say actually says the virus comes from skin contact. He suggests using soap and water stops transmission! Nothing about airborne
The virus has been found to go airborne from pigs to monkeys, but this was a different strain which is not related to humans. The virus in early stages is not contagious like the flu, only when the patient is hemorrhaging can particles escape into the air. This is not "airborne" under definition. If this virus was airborne the Rvalue would be significantly higher. Until the WHO or CDC comes out and says its airborne can we stop with this bull$hit |
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jacksdad
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My thoughts exactly, cobber. This isn't moving fast enough to be truly airborne - Spanish Flu made it around the globe in 1918 using antiquated transportation faster than this has plodded around a corner of Africa. Seriously, Ebola isn't bad enough that everyone wants it to be airborne too?
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Albert
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Limited airborne via casual contact and somewhat contagious. It moves and behaves like the Black Death plague. Slow moving - but spreading with a large wall/wave of infections in Africa taking one country at a time, somewhat.
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onefluover
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Transmitted by flies? Mosquitoes?
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DANNYKELLEY
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Somewhat contagious? ! Limited airborne? ! I feel so much better.
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WHAT TO DO????
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He mentioned: Aerosol, which with dried exudate / sputum / vomitus like a dust, can blow and transmit. like with a room fan....
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He mentioned: Aerosol, which with dried exudate / sputum / vomitus like a dust, can blow and transmit. like with a room fan....
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If you have one foot on yesterday...and one foot on tomorrow...You are "piddling" on today!....Take time to smell the Flowers....
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personally i do not think it is contagious only when the clinical sign appear. i bet it is contagious earlier via semen, without any clinical signs.. as the virus is present there, like in any other fluids..
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Considering 1-10 virus particles is sufficient for infection, I am certain you are right. Omilabu on the other hand, despite his aparent position, appears to lack the ability to accurately define "airborne".
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onefluover
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Again, with only as little as a single virus being capable to transmit, why couldn't a fly be one vector? As we are all aware, African villiages have huge fly populations. Isn't TB transmitted in part via flies?
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Seriously, you guys are making this way more stressful than it needs to be. You have the world's leading infectious disease experts telling you exactly what you should be worried about (contact transmission) but it seems like a lot of hard work is being put into trying to prove it's airborne. If you're going to catch it (and the odds are a lot lower if you live in a developed country) it'll be by contact with contaminated fluids, either directly from a victim or a fomite.
Protecting yourself from that kind of transmission is not as simple as you might think, and it takes practice and research to get it right. Will you wear gloves? If so, for how long? What can you touch while you're wearing them, and what is considered clean? How do you put them on, and more importantly, take them off? Are you going to use alcohol or soap and water every time you take them off? Is anyone in the family allergic to latex gloves? If they are, do you have an alternative in sufficient quantities? While you're worrying about airborne transmission, your focus is not where it should be - on the most likely way you'll catch it. |
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dear jacksdad, it is nice of you putting the problem you see it. Personally i am a biologist and have worked with imported animals by the times sars was near... and the other cute stuff breeding in asia. working with several thens of thousands fishes and alike coming from there... taking some tens of isopropanol hand desinfections daily
i am interested in the clustering processes, in the unseen phenomena, and comprehending what and how it is happening down there.. because.. beyond those things that who brings us.. i am trying to figure out the other ways this thing is fixating in the population... and i presume that at least 10-15 % of new cases do not get to be seen by the guys who are watching for this only because they do not take the whole image into account. and these 15% will enhance pretty much the next transmitions... i am not here to debate if airborne or not... not my case... |
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We should probably airdrop condoms since it survives in semen. After all, it is Africa.
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onefluover
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JD, I'm sure that some of those experts you mention include some African Doctors. Not the witch doctors, but the ones who know the differance between latex and nitrile and why the advent of nitrile, the proper procedures for gloving up, down and their brands of Sharps containers and why, etc, and their "moon-suits" and years of studying these subjects the average person has no clue of -and many of them are now dead. Clearly first-world country Doctors/Experts are generally to extensively more apt than third. But some of these third are also pretty apt. And it got them too. The feeling I'm beginning to lean towards is that many of our experts (not all) know little more of what they're talking about than an ex tattoo artist. Somebody's missing something about how this virus is spreading. Just my opinion though. I've been wrong more than my fair share of times.
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I am inclined to agree onefluover. This outbreak of ebola is "cooler" than other outbreaks have been. By which I mean it can take longer to kill. That means it has the potential to infect more people per host before the host dies. The fact that previous outbreaks have been so hot that they burned themselves out has (in my opinion) given the experts a false sense of security. Albert posted the most informative link: http://www.psmag.com/navigation/health-and-behavior/scariest-virus-ebola-back-worse-ever-87348/ which opened my eyes a bit.
It does not need to be fully airborne or have some vector of which we are unaware to be a big problem. This cooling-off is enough to turn it into a BIG problem. |
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Can't say I didn't try, guys...
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Transmission patterns and Ro numbers are also heavily influenced by the population the virus is spreading in. Speed and distribution depends especially on how many susceptible hosts there are. Incubation times can also vary. We do not know if there are asymptotic cases, or what percentage of the West African people are naturally immune to its infection. No virus has the ability to replicate in every individual. Natural immunity can come from previous exposure, I.e. living close to the natural vector (perhaps the fruit bat), or different genotypes, even coinfections with diseases such as malaria, and sickle cell which change blood biochemistry and influence the immune system response.
What happens in African population may be very different from infection patterns in a European, Asian or Hispanic population partly to do with genetic diversity. So I think there will be differences in how this outbreak plays out. As for airborne, I think they say it is in saliva, and they also say you can get it from direct contact with the mucous membranes. Therefore putting the two together then yes if someone coughs into your face where saliva lands on your mouth then yes it can pass on. However they seem to say it does not cause sneezing because it does not naturally infect or irritate the upper airways. (It causes sore throat cause it infects lymph nodes not the throat epithelium itself........or so they say) It is not classed as a respiratory virus as it is not tissue tropic can't invade upper airways. |
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onefluover
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Interesting points Hazel. One of which makes me wonder if this virus has been around over there lurking for a very long time, popping in and out and to many Africans it is not so novel. But quite novel elsewhere. However it's transmitted.
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