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Ebola Fight is not lost.

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    Posted: September 13 2014 at 11:15am
I am new to this forum. I devised process to produce raw shikimic acid from pinus species year round during the early days of the bird flu panic. With help from a bio-chemist & a minute pharma company a non-profit plan was proposed to place a bio-reactor "within" every city block. The pharma shills had a field day. A short time later proof emerged that the big pharma drug did not work, end of this pursuit.

I still look for solutions against all odds, will you help?

I expect many here are aware that most pandemic manuals (BF) are for preserving EM staff &
management...it is not to save the public. We are responsible for preserving order, our only ammo is information & truth.

Is there any facts available on recent news that injecting blood (or antibodies) from survivors works? Considering that the death rate is 50 to 90% any avenue needs researching. The news stated WHO wishes to prevent this..."possible other diseases" excuse. Is a reduced death rate & hope worth the risks?

I have not looked at the drug developed in Canada to see if it can be reproduced in the field or if practical. Anyone in study of this? The work / invention does need compensation, it does not need to create fortunes by patent...in the context of a "possible" collapse of civilization. It is not the same as paying thru the nose or suffering thru healing & recovery from simpler illnesses, I do not expect an MBAer or the rich to understand this concept.

Any positive contributions to my concepts & thoughts?






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hi there...

i really didnt consider that we all gonna die.... the subject regarding serum was debated here about one month ago....


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http://avianflutalk.com/ebola-alternatives_topic31724.html

here it was debated a little/  the serum issue...   sure that is it a needed purpose  for all of us to find solutions, i hope we will not just get to the hotzone hoping that we all gonna die as soon as possible... 


you will also see in this posts that i am as positive and realistic as possible.... 
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Atheris, thanks for posting. I don't find this topic by search of 31724 or ebola-alternatives.
No, we are not going to die, solutions will be found.
Looking forward to reading your topic reference. One can spend endless hours on search & read.
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Is this what you want?

Convalescent serum was tried again in 1995 in an Ebola outbreak in Kikwit in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Doctors at the Kikwit General Hospital treated eight Ebola patients with blood donated by five people who had survived their infections. Seven of those receiving the serum also survived. A later reanalysis, however, concluded that the patients had survived their infection long enough before receiving the serum that they likely would have recovered without it. And a study in rhesus macaques, published in 2007, found no benefit from transferring blood of convalescent monkeys. “There are many variables and the quality of the immune blood or serum may vary widely from person to person,” says Thomas Geisbert, a researcher at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston and one of the authors of that study.

source and full article:   http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/08/who-ponders-treating-ebola-infected-people-blood-survivors
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Just google it as Techno may have. I don't know much about this topic but reasoning would tell me that the antibodies in one persons blood, along with other stuff would be rejected or zeroed out by thè recipient. Leaving just the whole blood cells and plasma. Meaning the recipients system may view these antiibodies as simply junk and shed them rather than launch its own immune response. But again I don't know much about this so take this with a teaspoon of salt. Also, the past 8,7,5 study though warrants further research, does but barely scratch the surface of what it tells us. You would need hundreds of test cases with multiple variables to learn anything solid. I am skeptical of that study at this time.

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I agree with you completely, pharmers, that the Ebola fight is not lost. Though I say many cats are out of the bags, there is no doubt a viable treatment and vaccine can be discovered and made in time. There are some pretty smart people working on this and I still have hope but my prepping will be unrelenting regardless.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20674839/
The above article shows the effectiveness of using homeoprophylaxis in a large scale outbreak of leptospirosis, a water Bourne parasite that was causing many illnesses and deaths in Cuba. Unable to afford a vaccine, the Cuban government distributed the homeo prophylactic program to over two million people, which all up took a matter of weeks, at a fraction of the cost of a vaccine. The incidence of leptospirosis was almost completely wiped out. This means that the program had around 80%-90% effecacy, was rolled out quickly and easily, there were NO SIDE EFFECTS and at a tiny fraction of what it would have cost to develop and distribute a vaccine. This could be done in Africa and make an enormous impact on reducing incidence of Ebola, but it seems that nobody is willing to listen. Everybody would agree that prevention is far preferable than a cure, especially in this case. There is more info below as well.

http://www.homstudy.net/Research/2011-flu.html
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Thank you for some links. I no longer have access to subscribed journals but shall check next week if I can afford E access to familiar universities.
I have much reading to do, find the credible facts. I am very outdated on related topics, I do check on Henry Nimon's briefings as he has been consistent since H1N1 in my opinion. Many times he has prodded for corrections / sequence sample releases at CDC & others.
I have little to add to any knowledge base, but I'm thinking press prods may help..."ask the right questions". I will post one other topic on masks / air filtration.
I certainly agree with be prepared for marshal law in North America, but that is based on the pandemic procedure manuals that I read some years ago. Off memory I guess 12-15, I had many file boxes of related hard copy to share.
I have no formal education in health / medical but did dwell deeply in H1N1 & pharma.

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Greetings Pharmers - Welcome to the forum.  If you had fun with h1n1 and big pharma this one is right up your alley for a number of reasons.   Feel free to share your opinion on any of the topics.  Looks like you might have some good insight. We have a couple pretty good experts around here, but other than that, we all just watch it closely.


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In my opinion Urine Therapy may be what the doctor ordered...
How are some people able to survive EVD by developing antibodies...
The body is synthesizing the EVD antigen and developing antibodies to evd...
kidneys filter blood and the urine produced has antigens to any diseases that the person may be suffering...I will post some links on urine therapy...or you can do your own research...
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Sounds logical but...
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I read 1 article at sciencemag.org this morning, the link provided by technoprobe. (the shortcut I needed) The most recent Ebola news has a link to the research papers / news at the bottom of this article dated Sept 12 or 9. Provided free to researchers & the public.

Speaks of the recent WHO meet with 200 global players attending, very positive news for the long term.

Cuba is sending a large team into Africa, they know something...as an above poster suggested.
Sorry I did not note your name, its from lack of time, not disrespect.

I feel relief for the future. I grieve for the people harmed at the outbreaks.

I thank everyone for helping me here.
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You are welcome.  Glad I could help. 

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