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Kilt2 
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 Topic: Its right to fear disease.Posted: October 24 2014 at 5:06pm |
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Ebola is a terrible disease.
But its nothing compared to the pandemic flu. All the people who think we are nuts to prep for a pandemic must now be reconsidering. The H5N1 or H7N9 influenza viruses make Ebola pale by comparison. Ebola does not shed and infect until symptoms are seen - Flu does. You can have the Flu and be fit and well and infect hundreds of others for 3 days before you feel unwell and show symptoms. All the panic and concern for Ebola is just a wake up call. See how it can't be contained and crosses borders to USA and Europe etc? Nobody can stop it and nobody will stop the flu. H5N1 and H7N9 are from China. They will change the world. Get prepped everyone - tell your friends to look at Ebola and that the Flu is worse. Everything will break down with H5N1 and or H7N9 - no food no law no health care. Millions of Hurricane Katrinas all over the world.
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Prairie One
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 12:21am |
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That is stating the obvious Kilt.
I'm hoping we don't have to do the Death Star thing again. |
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Kilt2
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 12:47am |
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The people who think we are crazy for prepping must now be thinking again.
The flu is so much worse than Ebola - Ebola is just a dress rehearsal.
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 10:49am |
Yep - I tend to agree. Flu's the one to watch 
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Kilt2
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:15pm |
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Ebola would have to be waking up some of the people who think we are crazy.
If they are not scared of Ebola they are crazy - and flu is worse. They may now start to prep because of Ebola.
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And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
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Germ Nerdier
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:30pm |
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I'm still on the fence with this one.
Flu spreads more easily, but is not poised to go pandemic at the moment, and current strains do not have a CFR like Ebola. Ebola is poised to 'break out', and no one can seem to agree on Ebola's finer points or how to handle it. Personally, I'm not concerned about flu this year (that could change), but I am very concerned about Ebola and how the world will deal with it. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:32pm |
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It's not so much the strains we know, it's the novel influenza that comes out of nowhere that stands the best chance of kicking our butts. And we're brewing those suckers up at record pace with factory farming and wet markets.
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"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep"
"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary. |
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Kilt2
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:39pm |
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The official Government documents from the Influenza Pandemic Planning Committee - which meets every 2 weeks, says and I quote:
An Influenza Pandemic is Imminent. The fact of the matter is, that a flu virus mutates so fast by shift and or by drift, that it cannot be classified as a species but rather a "Mutant Swarm". All the H5N1 virus need is one more mutation and its a human pandemic strain. Every single time a human is infected with H5N1 every infected cell replicates 100,000 new replicant flu viruses and each and every one is a mutation of the original. There are millions of human cells that get infected with flu. The H5N1 or H7N9 viruses are a whisker away from being pandemic strains - and its is imminent. They cannot contain Ebola - they will not contain Influenza. Influenza infects other people for 2 or 3 days before symptoms. On a plane someone infected will shed the virus like a fire hose infecting most of the people on the plane - who will all go on to do the same. The flu coming up keeps the experts awake at night. Its that bad and its really really close. Any day now it will strike us. Forget Ebola. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:40pm |
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True.
But that could be tomorrow or not for another 20 years. Ebola is here now. I'm not saying it isn't an ever present threat, just that for the here and now, Ebola is of greater concern to me. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:44pm |
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Sorry my response was to Jacksdad.
Kilt, I agree with much of what you posted, but still.. Ebola is here. Pandemic flu is not. If people prep for Ebola and pandemic flu hits at the same time, at least people have prepped. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:46pm |
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Ebola does not infect without the carrier showing symptoms.
The only reason its out of control in West Africa is because 60% of infections come from "funeral practices" which the rest of the world do not do. The H5N1 is here now. It needs 1 more mutation and it will be a million times worse than anything Ebola has to offer. The doctors and nurses catch Ebola because they are close to the people infected and have close physical contact. You do not need that for the Flu pandemic. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:47pm |
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Foggy crystal balls everywhere. I have no idea which one will go nova. Both need watching closely. If it is ebola, I do not think it will "escape" in the western world until about April. That was my prediction 6 months ago and I have seen no reason to change it. It is fantastically nasty but very slow to spread.
We can still stop it. The WHO has finally woken up and is actually trying to overtake it at last. It has been running behind untill now. Flu has all the weapons. That nasty little b..... will explode one day. There is absolutely no way to predict it this far in advance. There are biological protein markers, which some of the biotech companies can spot, which will warn us of potential threats. But it has to reassort into a potentially deadly form first. There have been attempts to create a vaccine which is more comprehensive in the flus it targets and an ebola vaccine is in the pipeline. We could beat both of them in the race. |
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving. |
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Kilt2
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:51pm |
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The H5N1 has just one more mutation to make and its out of the box.
That could well happen this flu season NH. It is imminent. Ebola is a dress rehearsal and nothing compared to flu.. Like I said many times 60% of infections come from "funeral practices" particular to only that region. The first outbreak in one country came from all the people attending a funeral in the other. Don't mess with the body and you will not catch the bug. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 3:56pm |
Egypt reports human H5N1 avian flu in Giza infantThe Egyptian Minister of Health and Population, Dr. Adel Adawi announced a human case of H5N1 avian influenza (AI) in a 3 month girl from ..
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 4:04pm |
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Kilt it's spreading in cities due to contact with family members and neighbours when first symptomatic, and in later stages when beds are not available.
In some cases it's being transmitted via public transportation and public markets. Funeral rituals of washing a body are still an issue in more remote areas where less public health information is available and less trusted - depending on the area. Cultures differ from one religion to another, one part of a country to another, and from country to country. I do appreciate your position and they way in which you have conveyed it. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 4:05pm |
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Ahhh... If you show me a report from India you might have a convert!
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 4:11pm |
Families in Liberia Are Paying Bribes for False Certificates Over ...To help prevent dangerous funeral proceedings after Ebola deaths, ... the victim did not die of Ebola, allowing the funeral practices to continue. Justine Greening meets British Ebola survivor Will Pooley in Sierra ...Greening described the government's three-pronged strategy to combat the disease: helping to change funeral practices identified as a leading ... |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 4:54pm |
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If 100,000 women wear makeup eyeliner, and just a few dozen get it tattooed on, you will see many reports of tattooing becoming the leading cause of women wearing eyeliner.
I personally know someone from W. Africa. Ebola is ravaging his home town. He has never even heard of the rituals you are alluding to. Neither had anyone in his immediate family, his extended family, his neighbours, friends, his friends' neighbours nor his neighbours's friends. That's a good portion of the town. Strange. Ebola in that town apparently does not know how it's supposed to behave. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 4:55pm |
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Please excuse the typo.
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 5:46pm |
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Sorry Kilt.
My eyeliner/Ebola post was rude toward the end, as it comes from a place of concern that is emotionally charged. I am well aware of your feelings on the subject, as you are aware of mine. Let's agree to disagree, shake hands and move on? Trish |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 5:55pm |
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Nice to see the civily-differing points of view.
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 9:49pm |
I'm not sure why you are apologizing Trish. It's just a matter of time before this goes off the rails AGAIN, given Kilt's view about how this virus is being spread in West Africa. I suspect he has been read the riot act by someone but I doubt he can restrain himself indefinitely. |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 9:54pm |
Can we get a link or a source for this Kilt? |
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Posted: October 25 2014 at 9:59pm |
Again, can we get a source or a link regarding "just one more mutation" until it is "out of the box" and "imminent"? |
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