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At least 150.000 chicken in one farm in Utrecht-central Netherlands will be killed due to a "highly pathogenic avian flu"infection. Also all transport of (farm)animals and products and visits on birdfarms in all of the Netherlands is forbidden for 72 hours.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 5:18am |
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In october in Russia the H5N1-virus was found, but that was not far from Mongolia. Beginning of november H5N8 was found in Germany. What virus is found in the Netherlands is not yet made public.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 7:55am |
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http://www.worldbulletin.net/dutch-authorities-find-highly-pathogenic-bird-flu-strain/148521/dutch-authorities-find-highly-pathogenic-bird-flu-strain
Dutch authorities on Sunday banned the transport of poultry throughout the Netherlands after finding a strain of bird flu that can jump the species barrier to humans at a farm in the middle of the country. "This highly pathogenic variant of avian influenza is very dangerous for bird life," the government said in a statement. "The disease can be transmitted from animals to humans." The disease was first identified at a battery poultry farm with 150,000 hens in the village of Hekendorp late on Saturday. Authorities are currently destroying the birds. The variant, which has not been named, is dangerous for all birds and fatal for chickens. |
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 7:56am |
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Earlier outbreaks of bird flu in Europe and Asia have been highly contagious and have infected humans, prompting fears that bird flu outbreaks could spark a major epidemic.
Authorities on Sunday morning imposed a 72-hour ban on transporting all poultry products, including birds, eggs, dung and used straw to and from poultry farms throughout the country. They also imposed a countrywide ban on all kinds of hunting. The ban will remain in force for 30 days for the 16 poultry farms within a 10 kilometre radius of the site of the outbreak, and all of them will be subject to enhanced security measures for visitors and regularly checked for signs of bird flu. Some 10,000 chickens were destroyed in March after bird flu was found at a farm in the eastern Dutch province of Gelderland. Earlier this month, Germany detected cases of the highly pathogenic H5N8 bird flu strain which has hit Asia but has never been reported in Europe. In September, Russia reported the first cases of H5N1, another dangerous strain, in nearly two years. |
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 7:57am |
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I do get the impression, also on the way reactions are, it might be H5N1. Proberbly from wild birds (ducks ?)
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 8:35am |
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 9:50am |
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It is a H5N8 virus. Since the same virus was found in Germany it might be more widespread. Other cases proberbly will show up this month-but H5N1 would be worse. It is the first time that a H5N8-virus is found in the Netherlands. In 2003 a H7N7-outbreak did claim one life of a veterinarian.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 9:52am |
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 12:43pm |
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The H5 and H7 subtypes are what Dr Robert Webster calls "the nasty bastards". Their potential should never be underestimated.
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Posted: November 16 2014 at 8:05pm |
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Right about now if I were a chicken in the Netherlands I'd be wishing I were a fruit bat.
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"And then there were none."
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Posted: November 17 2014 at 1:45am |
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If I was a chicken in the Netherlands I would like to take a holliday ! @jacksdad, this H5N8 is a further development from H5N1 if I'm correct. Last year there was a large outbreak that could not be controled in (South) Korea that did a lot of damage economical. But no spread to humans as far as I know.
This H5N8-virus proberbly will be different from the virus found in Korea last year. Fluvirusses mutate at high speed. H5N8 showing up in the early stages of flu-season on several places-proberbly spread by wild birds is bad news. The Netherlands is second in agricultural exports worldwide, only the US is larger in agriculture-export. So this virus already hurts. Export will stop for a while, we have to eat a lot of chicken coming months, or chicken end up frozen-up in long term storage. It is to early to say how bad this virus H5N8 might turn out to be. But it is very bad news (and not only for the birds).
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Posted: November 17 2014 at 11:40pm |
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For the coast of Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands many seals are infected with H10N7-virus, also from birds. It is expected that up to 15% of the seals will die from the "seal-flu". This H10N7 managed to jump from birds to mammals. The H5N8-virus seems to be specific in birds-spread by a sort named "little swan" to Europe.
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Posted: November 21 2014 at 2:18am |
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A second case of birdflu showed up in the Netherlands just 25 kilometres/15 miles north of the first case. There will be 43.000 chicken killed, a safetyzone etc. But if the problem is in wild bird the effect will be limited. More cases all over Europe will be expected (due to winter in the US the chances of H5N8 showing up there seems to be limited for now.)
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Posted: November 21 2014 at 2:29am |
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More to the east of the Netherlands (Kamperveen) a third case of birdflu. (H1N8 ? "Dog-flu"http://www.dogster.com/forums/Dog_Health/thread/640286). The economic damage soon will run in the hundreds of millions of Euro's, might even bring the Netherlands in recession economicaly. The Netherlands is 16th economy of the world, pays for the Euro and EU. A recession will do a lot of damage ! (And of course the number of chicken etc. getting killed is rising fast !)
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Posted: November 21 2014 at 2:33am |
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(H3N8 =dog flu) H5N8 comes from Asia http://www.wageningenur.nl/en/Expertise-Services/Research-Institutes/Central-Veterinary-Institute/show/Central-Veterinary-Institute-sequenced-full-genome-of-the-recent-Dutch-H5N8-HPAI-outbreak-strain.htm
Analysis demonstrated that the Dutch virus has high similarity to two Korean and one Japanese strain indicating that the Dutch virus strain might have come from Asia.
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Posted: November 30 2014 at 1:39am |
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There has been a new outbreak of birdflu in Zoeterwoude, the Netherlands. Not that far from earlier outbreaks. This means that 28.000 chicken will be killed, a 10-kilometer area with four other poultry farms will be checked. Transport limitations etc.
It is very likely that this also will be a H5N8-case. Most likely wild birds spread the virus on their way south without getting serious ill themselves.
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Posted: December 02 2014 at 12:04am |
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Today it was announced that in two samples of feces of Eurasian wigeons (wild large duck) near Kamerik (province of Utrecht) the the highly pathogenic H5 type bird flu virus was found. The N type of This virus is not yet known, this is still being investigated. The investigation even further by.
In addition, research on the introduction of the virus on the different companies. On the basis of all available information is the most probably that there are three separate releases of the avian flu virus have taken place in the areas hekendorp, Ter Aar and K. This is shown including analysis of the Central Veterinary Institute (CVI), part Van Wageningen-UR, the extent to which the viruses found on the infected companies genetically similar to each other. Information about the virus in Zoeterwoude is expected at the end of this week. |
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Posted: December 02 2014 at 12:11am |
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Ron Fouchier virologist from Erasmus University Rotterdam http://www.erasmusmc.nl/MScMM/faculty/CVs/fouchier_cv is looking at the virus-types, how it spreads and how it reaches in-door-chicken. Of course flu-virusses can spread via the air. It can end up in stables thru drinkingwater, food not well protected even air-circulation.
The H5N8-virus has a lot in common with the H5N1-virus. Timing is not good, beginning of flu-season. Wild birds spreading it makes it quite likely that the virus could get in touch with other animals eating those wild birds (or their droppings). The H7N9-virus also is spread by wild birds in east Asia. In Kerala, South-West India a recent outbreak of H5N1 is linked to wild birds.
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Posted: December 05 2014 at 7:46am |
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Hi Dutch Josh
I'm watching the outbreak in BC with high concern (for my birds) and it's "only one" strain. The fact that there is 3 (+??) various strains going on there - H5N8 on the poultry farms, H1N8/dog flu in Kamperveen, and H10N7 in the birds/seals on coast... is this variety more likely to cause faster mutation? With all I'm reading - maybe I'm just paranoid, but it seems like the jump from bird to human is becoming easier, even if H2H hasn't been achieved yet. Does anyone see this too or is just me? |
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Posted: December 05 2014 at 7:48am |
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And the strain in British Columbia (BC) is a highly pathogenic form too
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Posted: December 05 2014 at 10:00pm |
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Hello newbie1, the Kamperveen-flu turns out to be H5N8, just like the other HPAI-cases in the news. I did read about Egypt H5N1-cases and the possibility that that might turn more H2H. Flu jumping from wild birds to poultry is not uncommon. It is more problematic when it jumps from birds to mammals. So far the H10N7 does not spread from seals to dogs (or other mammals).
The other problem is the mixing of those H5 or H7 strains with "human"flu-virusses making them more severe. Good luck with your birds, lets hope the spread stays limited !
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