Report of shooting at Umpqua Community College in

http://abc7.com/news/report-of-shooting-at-umpqua-community-college-in-roseburg-oregon/1011787/
10 dead, 20+ injured. Roseburg, Oregon

Sorry for choppy post, using phone and it works bad on AFT

Another ultra sad day in our history.

Thanks, Hachi. She was in lockdown for a while, but she's with her family now.
The 4chan thread that supposedly details the shooter's intentions defies belief -

http://archive.moe/r9k/thread/22785073/#22785729

I don't recommend 4chan ever. It's just as bad as ebaumsworld can be, maybe even worse. Occasionally entertaining, though. CNN is still talking about it right now. Maybe the other news stations as well.

Oregon Shooter 26 Year Old From CA Indentified As Conservative Republican, w/Screenshot

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...n-Dating-Sites

Exactly, Hachi. Assuming the shooter is the same person that identified themselves on /r9k/ yesterday, the references by others to the "score" and "count" clearly show the motivation in the eyes of those he was trying to impress.

I agree 100%, Hachi. I was wondering just how anonymous they really are given how some of them clearly took him seriously and yet still encouraged him. Charges should be brought against them if possible.

Well, I know you can't ever really know what a person will do... but when do we start looking at families who know these people personally, who either did or didn't get them mental professional help when they were minors... who heard their threats or knew they were on the edge?

I'm not saying start throwing parents in jail or whatever but I'm tired of seeing these stories & then as the info comes in you learn more & more about how troubled they were... people come out of the woodwork that knew them in high school, lived next door to them a decade ago, they all say the same thing, how odd they were how much of a loner they were, how much of a hater of whatever cause they were... if these sometimes casual acquaintances sensed something wrong then you know people closest to them did as well.

What can be done from a mental health perspective? To make it easier for parents of legal age children to flag their loved one with a professional somewhere or force them into therapy. I don't know... there's something that must be done though. You can take every gun from coast to coast & this will still happen. We have to get to a point with early intervention mental health somewhere in people like this.

And yes, I know some people are just evil & cannot be helped.

Assuming one side or the other is right,  America could test both theories in turn:

Maybe the answer is, there is no answer.

There really is no easy answer. There really is no hard answer. Gun confiscation in the US will not happen short of all out civil war. What's left of the country won't be the USA anymore.

Picking out those amongst us who are oddballish or even clearly mentally twisted or broken isn't an option either. They total in the many millions and like the pecking order, how do you draw a line on where to stop? I would ban the use of all psych drugs though except in controlled settings.

We could go and make it mandatory that all teachers carry a smart-gun and go through gun training or leave the business and that could help stem some mass shootings but what then about malls and theaters and carnivals and family reunions at parks etc?

If the answer is to mandate that all able bodied adults are to open-carry a smart-pistol as a deterrent to these mass shooters then we may as well go back to the Wild West days. But if I remember my history well, a lot of people were shot back then too. (But not necessarily schools and theators and malls.)

What's happening here in modern times is young people's minds are changing for the worse. Not all. Not even most but enough of them to effect us all with brutal senseless violence. My prediction is that as society becomes evermore complex, it will only get worse, not better.

How I long for the romantic days of the Fifties when scores were settled with fists or even the Wild West when really, only men shot other armed men in fairly fair fights.

Well said oneflu! I think that is where I'm at as well.

Hachi, so do you think they suggest more of the barricade method vs running out of the classroom & out of the building? I know it would all depend on where the shooter is, but if you knew the shooter was in the classroom next to yours, would you take the risk of getting out of there? Students have the advantage of knowing the layout but it's hard to think clearly when you are stressed to that degree I guess & also you never know if there's more than one shooter. I've always struggled what to tell my kids. So far I've just said follow what the school tells you to do. They are very mysterious about what the active shooter plan is at schools. I kind of understand not making that too public but sometimes parents want to know & they aren't too forthcoming.

I personally might lean towards trying to get out of the building. I just can't see piling against a wall just to be massacred like those precious little ones at Sandy Hook. But I'm not saying there isn't risk involved with running either.

In my daughter's elementary school in 2nd grade the drill went as follows... a message came over the intercom & said Code Red - Return to the hive... code red meant every student had to hide in their designated hiding spot, lights out, door locked... the hiding spot for my DD's class was behind the teachers desk (20 7 yr olds behind a teachers desk)... then code yellow was called & that meant you could come out of hiding but teaching could not resume & lights still out door still locked. Code green meant all clear.

While I'm thankful they were doing anything at all, to me that just wasn't enough. In all of my DD's classes & my son's as well, in every school there has been an exterior door to the outside... I realize for 2nd stories they wouldn't have this... so I always hoped in my heart that my kids's teachers would escape with the class out that exterior door to the outside & just run till they were far from school grounds.

Umpqua Community College, site of a mass shooting Thursday, bans guns, knives longer than 4 inches and other weapons from campus.

But that policy has one big exemption that renders the pastoral 100-acre campus near Roseburg anything but a gun-free zone: Everyone with a concealed firearms license is allowed to bring guns on campus.

That is because a 1989 Oregon law forbids any public body except the Legislature from restricting the rights of concealed weapons permit-holders to bring guns where they wish.

My though is lives would have been saved if one of the students in the room had a gun and could have at least tried to kill the nut job!

People kill not guns! This kid's mother knew he was mentally ill we need better laws to lock up people who need mental help. Political people always blame the guns not the fact that we have no help for the mentally ill that are out there.

If we had help for the people who have mental problems then some of this could be avoided. This kid lived with mom and she had to know he was unstable yet he had all these guns and she did nothing about it. I believe if we held the mother accountable more parents would be willing to turn in mentally ill kids. But we need laws that will let society help these people.

I have experience with this I have a nephew that is an addict and he is mentally unstable but because he is of age his parents can't do a dang thing to make him get help.    

Oh, and for those who say marijuana is not a gateway drug this is how my nephew got started and from there got worse and worse. So it may not be a gateway for some but it is for others.   Living in Colorado I think we made a huge mistake now they want to start educating our kids that marijuana is bad with the extra drug taxes...duh!

Guns are not the problem!

Mental illness is due to SIN

OriginalHappyCamper wrote: Mental illness is due to SIN Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.