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Posted: October 13 2015 at 10:44am |
Some time ago I posted a news release
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/08/ebola-is-living-in-an-american-doctors-eye/ Although the patient was not considered dangerous for the Ebola was inside his eye, it was still living and very contagious should it pass into his body fluids and he become symptomatic once again. Now everyone is getting excited about the U.K. person re-admitted with Ebola after being cleared. Why is this a newsflash? We have, over the last few years watched people with Swine Flu, Avian Flu, and Norovirus unable to get rid of it and despite being cleared and told they were healthy, are still infected. So what are the implications as far as Ebola in West Africa and the tens of thousands infected with it that were cleared? It's not over. The symptoms could come back and it could spread outside West Africa and not only become epidemic but Pandemic. None of this thinking is new. I have been posting how some people got Swine Flu and are still suffering years later with relapses and problems. There is a process called symbiosis where a disease does not kill the host but just hides. Some very nasty forms of TB are like this. We have had parasites, and these are like viral parasites around for hundreds of millions of years. Could viruses be getting smarter? For one thing some of them can teach or communicate with other viruses or act together in infecting someone. For one thing our tests for Ebola may not be that accurate. Just because a person gets a 'no' one time, may not mean much. Some people who tested negative came back and up to 3 times later finally tested positive. Some of this occurred after they were dead. This presents a huge problem for the protection of the world in the sense if a person is carrying Ebola and is not symptomatic. Can they spread it? http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/ The final question is - if they were symptomatic - then were pronounced cured - and then once again become symptomatic - is the virus in their system during that period contagious? Bottom line is if this is true and so many people are still carrying it in West Africa - sometimes it comes back - and it will. Medclinician |
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http://news.yahoo.com/does-reactivated-ebola-pose-threat-203148580.html
16 hours ago Paris (AFP) - The Ebola virus can linger in survivors for many months, as in the case of British nurse Pauline Cafferkey, who has had a serious relapse almost a year after she first fell ill. Q: Is it common for the virus to survive so long in a human? Ed Wright, University of Westminster virus expert: - "There is a growing body of evidence to suggest the virus can persist in certain bodily fluids... (breast milk, semen, eye fluid) for up to six months following infection without the person showing the characteristic symptoms." Q: What about virus "reactivation"? Ben Neuman, virology expert at the University of Reading: - "This is only the second case of reactivated Ebola." The other was US doctor Ian Crozier, in whose eye doctors found Ebola virus months after he was discharged from a hospital in Atlanta where he had been treated for the disease he contracted in west Africa. comment: The more they look for this, the more they will find.Medclinician |
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http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2015/10/study-indicates-ebola-may-persist-semen-months
The release of two new studies today sheds new light on the threat of sexual transmission of Ebola by survivors, one hinting that the virus can persist in semen for as long as 9 months, and the other providing strong genetic evidence of sexual transmission. Both studies appear in the latest online edition of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) and come at a time when medical issues in Ebola survivors are making headlines in the wake of a Scottish nurse who is now critically ill with Ebola complications after her initial hospital discharge in January. Survivors can harbor the virus in immune-protected areas, such as the eyes and testes, but researchers haven't yet pinpointed for how long. Efforts are well under way in the outbreak region and elsewhere to assess the risks, including today's findings. Though sexual Ebola transmission is thought to be rare, the risk has health implications for not only survivors and their contacts, but also for the control of the virus in outbreak regions. Of about 17,000 Ebola survivors in West Africa's outbreak, more than 8,000 are male. Medclinician |
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This has got to be beyond rare. It's been over 9 months since Ebola peaked in cases, and they're now seeing around 50 cases per week for all of W. Africa, which tells me it's very rare. And considering the sexual habits of the people in W. Africa, it's even more rare. Was about a 20,000 - 1 odds for that Scottish nurse. She had real bad luck.
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There simply must be something else going on here. The most obvious conclusion is that a person is not cured from Ebola even when modern tests say people are in some cases. The question is - how many cases? Considering the outbreak in West Africa - and that this disease can be active and transmitted sexually for over a month after it is said to be cured - we do not need another HIV mistake. Ebola has much too high a case fatality rate for them not to take every effort to contain it while that is still possible. Medclinician |
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http://news.yahoo.com/free-ebola-survivors-complain-syndrome-163616656.html
There are a growing number of survivors of the disease in the region, between 5,000 and 10,000 according to the United Nations, and some complain of side effects months after their recovery - a condition some doctors are calling "post-Ebola Syndrome" (PES). common: Is this PES or are they still infected? Margaret Nanyonga, a doctor who treated Ebola patients in the town of Kenema in Sierra Leone, said she had seen survivors go blind. Overall about half of those she saw recover reported declining health, she said. Doctors say it is not yet clear how long the symptoms last. There is also no scientific literature or medical consensus on any new syndrome among West African survivors or how many people might be affected. Medclinician |
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