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Sorry, definitely not trying to turn this into a bible lesson but the "eye for an eye" was misquoted... actually in Matthew Jesus was clarifying the phrase, He completely spoke the opposite actually... & when you see the phrase in the OT it is figurative...
 
Question: "What does the Bible mean by 'an eye for an eye'?"

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“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth” was spoken by God as a figurative command in the Old Testament (Exodus 21:24; Leviticus 24:20; Deuteronomy 19:21) and was never intended to be taken literally. Instead, it means is that secular justice is to be equitable, neither excessively harsh nor excessively lenient. In this connection there is no reference in Scripture to the maiming of a Hebrew in conformance with “eye for eye, tooth for tooth.” Also, before God first spoke this, He established a judicial system to hear claims and determine penalties (Exodus 18:13–26), and that system would not have been necessary if simple “eye for eye” retribution were proper and adequate. Moreover, most actual claims and harms in the Old Testament, except those requiring capital punishment, were settled by payment in goods.

The three times in the Old Testament where the phrase “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth” is mentioned all relate to a civil situation, something being judged before a duly constituted authority: a judge, a magistrate, etc. “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth” is not a statement that is in any way related to personal relationships. However, that’s precisely what the Pharisees had done with it. They took a divine principle for the courts, and they made it a matter of daily vendettas.

Knowing the hearts of the Pharisees, Jesus turned this phrase completely around. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.” (Matthew 5:38–48).
 
Here Jesus was giving a new command that made perfect the Old Testament law. We are not to seek retribution, not to demand recompense for wrongs done to us. Rather, Jesus taught that as His followers we are to ignore all personal insults, which is the meaning of turning the other cheek. Christians are to give more of material goods, time, or labor than demanded of us, even if the demands are wrongful; to loan to those who want to borrow; to love our enemies; and to pray for those who persecute us.

The basis for this radically different way of dealing with one another underscores the radically different lifestyle of the true follower of Christ. But this is in no way to be taken as prohibiting self-defense or protecting someone from being harmed by others. The rights of police officers and the military to protect the innocent and preserve the peace are not in question here. Turning the other cheek applies to personal relationships and involves primarily not seeking to defend ourselves against personal insults.
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Originally posted by WillobyBrat WillobyBrat wrote:

The last but two times that Islam went on a world expansion jaunt it had to be stopped by a coalition of the then civilized world lead by the Knights Templar and the European wide Crusaders.  It almost destroyed Christendom. 

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">The last but one time that Islam spilled aggressively across Europe, The Iberian Celtic Queen (who was massively powerful at the time) Eleanor of Spain sent them packing in a devastating war.  This diminished Spain's massive power.</span>

The last time they went on the rampage, known as the era of the mad mullahs, it took the entire might of the most powerful empire the world had ever known, The British Empire to bring the fanatics to heel.  We can't do it again, we do not have an empire any more.

This time there is no British Empire, no Eleanor, no Templars and no Raj to push them back to the wasteland parts of India where they remain to this day: given the lands that are to this day Pakistan and Bangladesh, in 1947 when Britain partitioned India and began the final destruction of the Empire.  

Only America can stand in their way now.  Be warned, our politicians are standing as firm as a hot blancmange on a summers day.  We Pagans, Christians, and all non Musilms will be fighting for our very existence.  Remember those videos where they burnt a young pilot to death in a cage, buried women up to their necks and smashed their heads in with stones the size of your fist, beheaded: men women and children with knives slitting their throats and hacking their heads off.  The only time they granted the mercy of a bullet was when they wished to kill hundreds quickly, the expedient method that was used by both the Nazis and the Commies during WW2.  You may have forgotten (you young generations) my generation has not.

No Surrender!


America is the British Empire through and through.
"And then there were none."
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Originally posted by Jen147 Jen147 wrote:

I'm tired of hearing that the USA no matter what admin created this mess. Remember they did attack us first right? If 9/11 is not enough what about 1993? "Those people" have hated what America stands for for a very long time. Their own book spells out their plan for the West & infidels? Long before Bush & WMD, they hated us & plotted our death.

Maybe the timeline was sped up when we RESPONDED TO ATTACK, but this is how it was going to be despite what we did or didn't do.

These people are still seriously pissed about the Crusades, and they want to re-take Spain. 

They've always plotted to take over the world...Islamic armies marched across Europe and Asia, into India, Southeast Asia, China, Russia etc.   Brutal but very effective. 

Most of the problem is due to our putative ally Saudi Arabia.  They feign loyalty to the USA and West, but then turn around and fund DAESH in order to harass their real enemy, Shia Islam.  

I'd start by bombing Riyadh, but no one asked me.
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To be Muslim, you must denounce Christianity.  Islam is based on the hatred of Christians.   There is a very fine line between radical Muslims and Muslims.  Their hatred is the same, regular Muslims just don't want to kill and get their hands dirty. 
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Wow!  I did not know so many people were awake!

Albert, you are telling it how it is.

CRS DrPH, Can I load the B2s?  Can I?  Please!

Onefluover, I don't want to sound like I am creeping or anything, but:  "WHERE IS MY GREEN CARD THEN?"

Seriously though, the three of you restore my faith in humanity a bit.  I have been making precicely these three points for DECADES!  Now, perhaps, people will listen.  (And don't give up your guns, just teach kids to be more responsible.)  

Obama is a nice guy.  But what you need now is someone a little more hawkish.  Christ!  I've just seen a picture on our TV of one of those French killing B*******s holding up a Koran in one hand and that Goddam black death flag in the other.  It's about time our stupid government woke up and let us have guns too.  When the smelly goo hits the fan we wont be asking we will be doing.
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