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KiwiMum
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Posted: February 09 2024 at 1:31pm |
I've just seen this news story in the UK's Daily Mail. Very odd. It sure sounds like hemorrhagic fever to me........... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13065869/man-dies-lufthansa-flight-a380-bangkok-munich.html and it's on a plane going to Germany. |
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Dutch Josh
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[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/dengue/985439-thailand-2024-dengue[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/emerging-diseases-other-health-threats-alphabetical-a-thru-h/dengue/985439-thailand-2024-dengue ; Source: https://www.pattayamail.com/thailand...january-452055 and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_fever[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengue_fever ; Dengue fever (/ˈdɛŋɡi/ or /ˈdɛŋɡeɪ/) is a mosquito-borne tropical disease caused by the dengue virus.[1] Symptoms typically begin 3 to 14 days after infection.[2] These may include a high fever, headache, vomiting, muscle and joint pains, and a characteristic skin itching and skin rash.[1][2] Recovery generally takes two to seven days.[1] In a small proportion of cases, the disease develops into a more severe dengue hemorrhagic fever, resulting in bleeding, low levels of blood platelets and blood plasma leakage, or into dengue shock syndrome, where dangerously low blood pressure occurs.[1][2] DJ, since Dengue is spread by mosquitos there could be infected mosquitos on such planes...IF !!!! it is Dengue hemorrhagic fever they soon may find out based on the findings in the patient... It underlines the risk of long distance travel-flying diseases all over the world... |
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[url]https://www.blick.ch/ausland/mann-stirbt-auf-bangkok-flug-schweizer-ehepaar-musste-das-drama-mitansehen-der-absolute-horror-alle-haben-geschrien-id19417734.html[/url] or https://www.blick.ch/ausland/mann-stirbt-auf-bangkok-flug-schweizer-ehepaar-musste-das-drama-mitansehen-der-absolute-horror-alle-haben-geschrien-id19417734.html ; Man dies on Bangkok flight – Swiss couple had to watch the drama |
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DJ, Based on the above "Blick"-story; -Both Bangkok Airport and Lufthansa failed to do a healthcheck on a serious ill man -Lufthansa endangered other patients by allowing a serious ill man in the plane -Lufthansa failed to go for the medical care needed before take-of -Lufthansa did NOT isolate the very ill patient during flight -Lufthansa did NOT provide good enough care after returning to Bangkok -Lufthansa and Thailand do NOT provide (as far as I know) enough info on the incident I wonder why this story would not become a legal case ? Both the airport and transporter failed to do even a basic medical examination on a very ill man. What if the man was spreading a highly infectious disease ? It may be a good example of how international travel is flying diseases over the globe...every hour-every day !!! This is how pandemics start !!! [url]https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/thailand-medical-experts-warn-of-a-dengue-crisis-as-almost-8200-cases-and-13-deaths-reported-in-january-2024[/url] or https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/thailand-medical-experts-warn-of-a-dengue-crisis-as-almost-8200-cases-and-13-deaths-reported-in-january-2024 may be very likely related...Dengue is spread by mosquitos...in a colder climate those mosquitos may not survive...(however other mosquitos may also pick up the virus from an infected person. Dengue is a global problem !!!) The TMN has a link to [url]https://scandasia.com/danish-actor-hospitalized-with-dengue-fever-in-thailand/[/url] or https://scandasia.com/danish-actor-hospitalized-with-dengue-fever-in-thailand/ ; Danish actors Anna Stokholm and Simon Stenspil, whom are vacationing in Thailand with their son, has been facing health challenges in the Southeast Asian country. After recovering from the flu, Simon Stenspil was diagnosed with dengue fever. He is currently hospitalized for observation. Dengue fever, common in tropical areas, can lead to severe complications. Danish news outlet B.T. is presently seeking further comments from the couple. Source: BT DJ, A very main reason why we are still in the CoViD/corona pandemic is a total lack of any basic medical testing in international flights...When you enter some countries they may look at temperature or ask questions...but "economy first" often translates to ignoring public health risks... |
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I read somewhere that it was a blood vessel explosion so to speak. |
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roni 3470...I did read about dengue-problems in Thailand...symptoms of the passenger did not exclude that...But it may have been something completely different indeed... Still it is "bizarre" to have a very ill passenger-without any medical checks-on a flight lasting several hours... Lufthansa has something to explain...I do not know if they did further react to this story...or "for privacy reasons" did fail to explain what happened... |
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I agree and the whole thing is just crazy...i wonder if we will ever even find out what happened because they hide everything! I feel like the way government and media lie to us, we may find out things too late. I used to love when albert was on here because he somehow found out about things way before the average public did! |
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I mentioned this to a medically trained friend of mine yesterday and she said it sounded like a pulmonary embolism. She said all that blood had to have come from his lungs. |
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[url]https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/pulmonary-embolus[/url] or https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/pulmonary-embolus ; What Is Pulmonary Embolism (Pulmonary Embolus)?A pulmonary embolism is a sudden blockage in your pulmonary arteries, the blood vessels that send blood to your lungs. It usually happens when a blood clot in the deep veins in your leg breaks off and travels to your lungs. A blood clot that travels to another part of your body is called an embolus. When an embolus blocks a blood vessel it's called an embolism. When a pulmonary embolus blocks blood flow to your lungs, it's called a pulmonary embolism. Pulmonary Embolism CausesThe most common cause of a pulmonary embolism is a the breaking off of a blood clot in your leg's deep veins, known as deep vein thrombosis (DVT). Other, rare causes of a pulmonary embolism include: You are more likely to develop blood clots if you have risk factors such as: A pulmonary embolism is also more likely to develop after: Pulmonary Embolism SymptomsYou may not have any symptoms of a pulmonary embolism, depending on the size of the clot and your overall health. As blood flow becomes more and more blocked, you may experience symptoms such as: Pulmonary Embolism ComplicationsA pulmonary embolism can be life-threatening without treatment. It can cause several complications, including: Rarely, people have multiple small pulmonary emboli that develop over time. This is called chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension (CTEPH). Diagnosing a Pulmonary EmbolismTo diagnose a pulmonary embolism, your doctor does a physical exam, asks about your symptoms and orders one or more tests such as: Pulmonary Embolism Treatment at Penn MedicineRapid treatment for pulmonary embolism is critical for good outcomes. At Penn Medicine, the Pulmonary Embolism Response Team (PERT) provides leading-edge, team-based care for acute (sudden) or chronic (long-lasting) pulmonary embolisms. We were one the of the first PERTs in the country and are among the top 10 most advanced centers in the nation in pulmonary embolism treatment. We offer a full range of innovative treatments, including investigational therapies. Your treatment may include: DJ...that would NOT make it a hemorrhagic fever...or even dengue... But we may never know. The 63 y/o German died. There reasons of his death could/shoeld (?) be seen as private... However the circumstances -no medical checks when the man had sympthoms of a very serious healthproblem- deserve "a lot of discussion"... |
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Well we will know if a plane full of tourists suddenly come down with hemorraghic fever! |
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KiwiMum....say incubation time would be a week...only passengers close to the infected person would catch the virus...in that scenario I am afraid healthcare may NOT link the illness to the flight.. Very likely passengers came from lots of countries. Flight was from Bangkok to Munich-Bavaria-Germany but the news was from a Swiss magazine...Very likely some passengers did take connecting flights... So...maybe the virus would have been able somehow (droplets on clothing ???) spread to more people on a connecting flight...(maybe older, more vulnerable, passengers...) Again...I follow also stories on H5N1...it looks like lots of human ceses may be missed because people did NOT show symptoms while they had the virus... An old 2006 story on "mild" H5N2 infections in Japan [url]https://www.poultryworld.net/home/japanese-poultry-workers-probably-infected-with-mild-bird-flu/[/url] or https://www.poultryworld.net/home/japanese-poultry-workers-probably-infected-with-mild-bird-flu/ ; Japan’s Health Ministry reported that 93 poultry farm workers may have been exposed to a mild form of the bird flu virus last year. The ministry had said in a preliminary report in January that 77 people were exposed to and possibly infected with the H5N2 strain, which was not previously known to infect humans. It is milder than the virulent H5N1 strain that has recently spread from Asia to Europe. DJ Very likely healthy persons with good immunity... [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/two-poultry-workers-test-positive-for-bird-flu-in-england[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/two-poultry-workers-test-positive-for-bird-flu-in-england ; Two poultry workers have tested positive for bird flu after coming into contact with infected birds on the same farm in England, according to the UK Health Security Agency. The cases were picked up through a screening programme for people who have come into close contact with the virus, though neither individual suffered symptoms and both have since tested negative. DJ...my view is that it may be very easy to MISS a disease... -the virus may be detectable only a short time -the infection my give NO symptoms -we are hardly testing... So...spread of a disease may be very hard to follow...contact-tracing needs a lot of in time testing... Some people can carry a virus-infect (lots of) others without getting any symptomes themselves... Again...interesting (detective) story... |
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