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    Posted: April 20 2006 at 5:12pm
BAD NEWS:
 
As to 2L soda bottles: Pre-Y2K I rinsed, filled with water and several drops of Clorox, capped and stored 30 ginger ale (green) 2L bottles. I was very surprised to find that after a year or so that most of the bottles were not full. I checked the caps to ensure they did not loosen or crack. All caps appeared OK. Some bottles were distorted inward due to an apparent vacuum. There was no evidence of moisture on or around the bottles.

As a test I kept several to watch their progress. Today, six+ years later, there are a several that are empty and the rest have less than half of the original volume.

They have been stored in a garage bathroom and subject to outside temp variations. I live on the central West Coast of Florida. Therefore the temps varied from lows of mid 30s to high 90s over a period of six years.

My guess is that expansion due to temperature increases caused water vapor to be expelled and then created a partial vacuum upon cooling.

GOOD NEWS:
 
At the same time I stored the above bottles, I also filled enough bottles with room for ice expansion to cover the bottom of my chest freezer. I placed them upright and cut a sheet of 1/8" panelling to fit on top of the bottles. This was to provide a heat sink in case of power outages. Works fantasticly!

We've had numerous outages up to a week long and by running my gen set for three hours three/four times a day we never lost any food to spoilage. Granted we did use some items that were on top of everything else to play it safe but never saw any spoilage. We did toss some items that started to thaw just to be safe.
 
A side benefit is that you can have ice/ice water on hand for a long time after the lights go out. After a week long outage the freezer bottles did show thawing but still was at least half ice. Remember to absolutely minimize how often you open the freezer. A chest freezer will not lose as much cold air as will an upright.
 
For any outage over a week all bets are off. If in doubt, throw it out! 

Sorry for the long post but hopefully you can now make a more informed decision.
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This is good information to know, 2ifbyC, because we are all learning from one another ...
 
Six years is a long time to keep water stored, its better to rotate on a 6-month or yearly basis (water the plants, feed the pets with the water).  Plastics are permeable so some of that water might have evaporated into thin air over time.  My DD bought a bottle of Sprite when her school band took a trip to China in 2003.  Its been sitting on top of the fridge ever since and about 1/4 of it has evaporated.  Wonder if it's still fizzy?? 
 
Aw-shucks, I have an upright freezer ... so to keep everything cold would be a "battle" for me ... may have to cover it up with blankets is the best I could do ...
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Originally posted by sweetpea sweetpea wrote:

Plastics are permeable so some of that water might have evaporated into thin air over time. 
 
I though of that but wasn't sure. It was the apparent vacuum that led me to my theory.
 
 Aw-shucks, I have an upright freezer ... so to keep everything cold would be a "battle" for me ... may have to cover it up with blankets is the best I could do ...
 
With an upright the cold air spills out. Whereas with a chest the colder air settles to the bottom. Even an upright will benefit from the 2L heat sinks.
 
If your freezer is full or nearly full, then no need for the heat sink. You just won't have that ice/ice water later on! Wink
 
Just be judicious in opening the freezer. If you have a generator you should be 'good to go' for quite a long while.
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My friend told me that if you put a pure silver coin in water it will prevent from bacteria developing.. i have not tried it but I just ordered some silver coins and will try it.
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Originally posted by tazman tazman wrote:

pure silver coin in water it will prevent from bacteria developing
 
This the basis of the colliodal silver industry. Do a Google on CS and make up your own mind.
 
 


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