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    Posted: January 04 2015 at 7:53pm
I can't remember if an "HPAI" (High Path Avian Influenza) strain has ever reached the U.S.   Is this the first time?   I suppose it could only be h5n1 or h5n8.   Not good ..  


Avian flu detected in Benton City backyard flock

Tri-City area backyard chickens and other domestic poultry may be at risk of catching a deadly avian flu after the disease killed nearly 50 birds in Benton City.

It’s the first time that avian flu has been detected in a domestic flock in Washington state.

The free-range domestic flock of 150 birds including chickens, turkeys and waterfowl used a pond also visited by migratory wild birds, said Hector Castro, the Department of Agriculture’s communications manager.

After nearly 50 of the domestic flock died in one week, a Benton City resident contacted the state. Washington State University’s Animal Disease Diagnostic Laboratory in Pullman confirmed earlier this week that the Benton City birds had H5 avian influenza virus.

Humans are not at risk from avian flu, Castro said. And meat and eggs from infected birds remain safe to eat.

But this particular strain of influenza is considered highly pathogenic and deadly to poultry, he said. Poultry that catch the disease likely will die within three days.

Kennewick, Richland and Pasco allow residents to own backyard chickens, but the numbers are limited to three to five.

Backyard chickens and poultry owners should keep their birds away from wild birds, Castro said.

Many birds migrate through the Tri-City area, and there are plenty of bodies of water and wildlife refuges where wild birds and waterfowl congregate.

“Wild birds can really be carriers of this disease,” he said.

Many times, wild birds may not even get sick, but can spread it to poultry, Castro said.

The virus has not been found in commercial poultry anywhere in the U.S.

Most commercial operations keep their birds contained and test them regularly, Castro said. They have a huge financial incentive to keep their birds healthy.

And the commercial poultry industry has a robust avian influenza testing program, he said. Inspectors from the state perform weekly testing and health inspections at live bird markets in the state.

Typical symptoms that owners of domestic birds may notice include respiratory issues, coughing or sneezing, lower egg production, decreased appetite and swelling on combs or waddles.

“The best thing people can do is make sure they are running a clean operation and take the basic steps to make sure they are controlling access to their birds so these type of diseases do not get passed on,” Castro said.

State and federal agriculture officials are working on a plan on how to respond to the flu diagnosis, Castro said. A USDA lab is running more tests to determine the specific strain of avian influenza.

Typically, the rest of the flock would be euthanized and tests would be run on birds in other domestic flocks in the area to make sure the disease does not spread, he said.

Losing the birds can be very traumatic, but it’s critical to make sure the highly contagious disease doesn’t spread to anyone else’s flock, he said.

“The (Benton City ) owners are being very cooperative,” Castro said.

The virus is similar to the one found in a Whatcom County captive gyrfalcon that was fed wild duck last month. Oregon also is dealing with avian influenza in a Douglas County backyard flock of guinea fowl and chickens.

Deaths or illnesses in domestic birds should be reported to the WSDA Avian Health Program at . For wild birds, call the state Department of Fish and Wildlife at .

For more information about avian influenza and steps that backyard poultry owners can take, go to agr.wa.gov.


http://union-bulletin.com/news/2015/jan/03/avian-flu-detected-benton-city-backyard-flock/

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First H5N1, I don't believe we've ever had any HPAI strain detected in the USA to date, although we've been on guard for ages.  

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/news/first-human-h5n1-americas.htm

First Human Avian Influenza A (H5N1) Virus Infection Reported in Americas


January 8, 2014 – Canada has reported the first case of human infection with avian influenza A (H5N1) virus ever detected in the Americas. The case occurred in a traveler who had recently returned from China. H5N1 virus infections are rare and these viruses do not spread easily from person to person. Most of the 648 human cases of H5N1 infections that have been detected since 2003 have occurred in people with direct or close contact with poultry. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) considers that the health risk to people in the Americas posed by the detection of this one case is very low. CDC is not recommending that the public take any special actions regarding H5N1 virus in response to this case. For people traveling to China, CDC recommends that people take the same protective actions against H5N1 as recommended to protect against H7N9 or other avian influenza A viruses. This information is available on the CDC website at Travelers Health: Avian Flu (Bird Flu).

According to Canadian health officials, the patient, who died on January 3, 2014, recently traveled to Beijing, China, where avian influenza A H5N1 is endemic among poultry. This is the first detected case of human infection with avian influenza A H5N1 virus in North or South America. It also is the first case of H5N1 infection ever imported by a traveler into a country where this virus is not present in poultry. No such H5N1 viruses have been detected in people or in animals in the United States.

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Thanks Chuck, I do remember that h5n1 case and appreciate you confirming this is the first time HPAI has been in the U.S.  Fairly big news.  The poultry industry is about to make a huge down turn and things are about to change.   Very few avian influenza strains are "high path", or virulent and deadly. This will undoubtedly be h5n1 or h5n8, and probably h5n8.    

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"Humans are not at risk from avian flu, Castro said. And meat and eggs from infected birds remain safe to eat.
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If it's h5n1, the above is not true and there have been many cases in which people have contracted the virus and died from handling/touching infected chicken.  It's fairly common.  This hasn't happened with h5n8 as of yet,  but is probably imminent.  Which ever strain it is, no chicken soup for me in Washington for awhile.

Either way, bird flu is now in the U.S.   




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Definitely NOT H5N1 - hard on the birds...not us.
Low path = loss of weight gain and lower egg production
High Path = death of birds

Albert if you look at other postings regarding this outbreak (almost 250,000 birds destroyed in Frazer Valley BC), Wild Birds (& I believe now noncommercial flock) in WA, a non-commercial backyard flock in Oregon)it's HP for H5N2 (with N8 eurasian strains in it) ...

Here's one piece on it (says TX had an outbreak of HighPath N2 in 2004) http://www.capitalpress.com/Nation_World/Nation/20141204/avian-influenza-outbreak-in-canada-highly-pathogenic

And another that was posted a few days after the first that clarifies specifics of strain and that it's a North American 'first'... "The strain, a highly pathogenic form of H5N2, contains gene segments from the Eurasian H5N8 virus -- marking the first time this lineage has caused a bird flu outbreak in poultry in North America."
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/12/21/avian-flu-virus-strain-in-bc-a-north-american-first

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Hi Newbie, good point.  I was also just reading up on H5N2 and it's the front runner. 
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I've been watching this saga unfold since the first barn was announced on the radio... I'm not in BC but my heart is in my throat for my birds safety in the coming mos as the wild waterfowl migrate back up through from a winter down south...
The waterfowl are being blamed for this although many within the industry believe it was either shipped in - ex. on a live duck that could carry, on hatching eggs (apparently it can transmit vertically - although no one seems to know for sure), &/or is due to breach in bio-security at the commercial farms - all it takes is one Asian tourist with duck crap on shoes to visit a barn where a cousin works...or the migrant workers themselves....

Really hard to get answers to questions - Ag guys, provincial vets etc all running butts off trying to figure out/contain this... so it's almost impossible for them to answer a 'little guys' questions so trying to find out what I can/where I can, truly frustrating.

We are being told to 'up our biosecurity' = keep wild birds out, have foot soaks etc - yet all the commercial places do this and it hasn't helped there...
This outbreak raises a few questions:
1) How do 'wild waterfowl' become immune? By being exposed to Low Path H5N2 I've been told - but there are mandatory culls (ALL your birds if even 1 test positive to low path) so how are we ever supposed to get our poultry immune to this?
2) Studies done where low path strains have infected poultry, & workers have been tested afterwards show that these ppl have antibodies present - is this how we should be possibly building human immunity??? Low path 'can' cause mild cold or more commonly conjunctivitis in ppl...so the heck what?!?! If being exposed to a low path form would protect us from a High path form...this could be what makes or breaks a pandemic?!?! Am I looking at this all wrong?
3) 11 of 12 enterprises that have caught this have all been commercial facilities (with footsoaks, all birds inside etc), there are hundreds of backyard flocks, free range commercial flocks etc in the immediate area and so far they haven't caught this...maybe scientists should be looking at why?! Sunlight kills the virus??? Less stressed birds (ie. not overcrowded, kept indoors in totally artificial enviro) are stronger or maybe because they are outside and have been exposed to a LP strain - maybe they are more 'immune' to it like their wild cousins???
4) Culling has NOT stopped the spread of this disease - it has killed millions of poultry, but H5N2 and other strains continue their march around the world looking for new hosts...maybe it's time we take a second look at the practice of culling if so ineffective???

Don't get me wrong - I follow the rules, if my birds tested positive for it - I'll cull as directed - I have too it's the law. BUT if my birds are healthy - I will fight hoof, tooth & nail to protect them!
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Hi Newbie, good point.  I was also just reading up on H5N2 and it's the front runner. 


H5N2 with a splash of N8 thrown in for good measure - I can send you links to the test results, if you want. High Path strains have been in both the USA and Canada previously - it's HIGH PATH TO BIRDS ie. CAUSES LOSS OF LIFE IN POULTRY vs loss of 'maximum productivity' (take longer to reach butcher weight, lay less eggs etc) on low path.

High or Low in this case has nothing to do with us (ppl) it's a death sentence to birds though, as mandatory culls of ALL birds on any property (including the healthy canary singing in your living room window!) found to have any bird with any H5 strain in either high or low path are in place...
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Apparently a bird has just tested positive for this same virus in CA (H5 confirmed in gadwall in Butte Co California)... crud
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I live not too far from there??? Help....
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Originally posted by waterboy waterboy wrote:

I live not too far from there??? Help....


Waterboy - it's high path to birds - kills our chickens, turkeys etc fast... not you!    Or do you have poultry that you're concerned about?

These were some tips I posted here(Dec.2) to help protect your own birds ...

WEST COAST BIOSECURITY MEASURES: Suggested by poultry scientist and professor, Dr, Brigid McCrea, Ph.D that will have her feet on the ground in Oregon by Monday...

1. Get your chickens in your coop.
2. Place tarp over the chicken run.
3. Deny ALL wild birds access to your chickens.
4. Take down and remove all bird feeders, bird baths and bird feeders on your property.
5. Implement a foot bath, and use it.
6. Wear dedicated clothing when taking care of your flock and wash weekly.
7. If your birds show signs of illness, get a diagnosis immediately and impose a self-quarantine of your flock or farm until you have an official diagnosis.
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Newbie 1, I raise chickens. Keep your chickens under roof and inside for right now. Do not turn them loose to eat grass and chase buds right now.Johnray1
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Originally posted by Johnray1 Johnray1 wrote:

Newbie 1, I raise chickens. Keep your chickens under roof and inside for right now. Do not turn them loose to eat grass and chase buds right now.Johnray1


My birds are all locked in have been for over a month now, a couple months in the barn - since Dec.2 NO outside time at all...no grass or bugs here - 6"snow and -35 last few days They are (strictly) inside because of this though - not the cold, they don't seem to mind it, still love to go out and play in snow, just not for long in this crud. Weather should break in about a week and hopefully go back to seasonal averages (about -5/10 so23/14f)for rest of Jan.

Did you get the above list when I pm'd it to you back in Dec. Johnray1? Hoping you can keep your birds safe too, this is a scary one (for them) I'm keeping my fingers crossed re: spring, as this isn't anywhere near us (yet) but IF the migratory fowl are carrying it - then it will travel back north in spring after all the birds mixing & mingling down south for the winter...

I'm wondering about the 3 questions I posted above though - would like ppl with some serious knowledge to throw some answers at me on those enquiring minds and all...
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NOTE:  Original headline to this thread was edited.

BUT- Looks like the Bird Flu is here to stay in the U.S.  Not sure people realize the implications of this.   Also curious how highly pathogenic h5n2 managed to do it before the the others.  h5n2 seems to be more infectious in bird than the others, but then again, h5n1 kills them off so fast that it's no wonder it never made it here.  People need to be aware that this one is a "HPAI" version and a virulent one.


Bird flu suspected in second Washington flock

Don Jenkins

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Bird flu has spread to a second backyard flock in Benton County in south-central Washington.

Bird flu has apparently infected a second backyard flock in the Tri-Cities area of south-central Washington, according to the Washington State Department of Agriculture.

The second flock was exposed to the highly pathogenic H5N2 virus by domestic ducks transferred from the first infected flock, WSDA said.

The 100 birds in the first flock — a collection of ducks, chickens and turkeys — were euthanized Monday. The 500 birds in the second flock will be euthanized today, WSDA spokesman Hector Castro said.

Bird flu has not been confirmed in the second flock, but birds are dying at an unusual rate, he said. “All the signs are this flock was infected,” Castro said.

The ducks were moved between the flocks, which are about 9 miles apart, around Christmas, before bird flu was detected around New Year’s Eve in the first flock, Castro said.

The flock owners know each other and exchange birds, he said.

WSDA and U.S. Department of Agriculture officials have set up surveillance zones within about 6 miles of the two flocks. Officials planned to look for other signs of bird flu cases.

Castro said backyard flocks are common in the area.

Officials suspect the first flock was infected by migratory waterfowl. A wild duck and captive gyrfalcon that was fed wild duck were infected by highly pathogenic avian influenza in December.

Also in December, a 100-bird backyard flock in Winston in southern Oregon on property with a pond and marsh was infected with highly pathogenic avian influenza.

Bird flu has not been detected in U.S. commercial poultry, but the infections in backyard flocks has cost the United States its designation as a country free of highly pathogenic bird flu. Several countries have restricted U.S. poultry imports.

Avian flu has been found in several commercial poultry operations in British Columbia, Canada.

Highly pathogenic bird flu had never been detected before in Washington or Oregon and hadn’t been seen in the United States for a decade.

Backyard flock owners will be compensated for euthanized birds through a USDA program.

WSDA officials say that the greatest risk for bird flu spreading is from migratory waterfowl coming in contact with domestic birds. Officials advised flock owners to keep their birds away from wild birds.

To report sick or dead domestic birds to the WSDA, call 1-800-606-3056.

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its probably the same strain that was /is in Europe....
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Two things to note here.  H5n2 has mutated into a high path strain, from low path.   Two, it's moving south from Vancouver, Washington, Oregon and California.

Couple days ago.



Tests confirm high-path H5N2 in British Columbia poultry


Canadian health officials today confirmed highly pathogenic H5N2 avian flu in two of the four H5-related poultry outbreaks in British Columbia's Fraser Valley near Vancouver, one of several evolving stories on avian flu outbreaks around the world.

Harpreet Kochhar, DVM, PhD, Canada's chief veterinary officer, said in a press briefing today that test results on turkeys at a farm in Abbotsford and on chickens at a farm in Chilliwack confirmed highly pathogenic H5N2. Two other farms, also in Abbotsford and Chilliwack, that received chickens from the first Chilliwack farm have birds that tested positive for H5; they await confirmatory testing on the exact strain.

"The Canadian Food Inspection Agency's [CFIA's] testing at the National Centre for Foreign Animal Diseases has confirmed the strain causing the avian influenza outbreak on two farms in the Fraser Valley as a highly pathogenic H5N2 virus," Kochhar said.

Authorities in the Netherlands, meanwhile, have reported a fifth outbreak of H5N8 in domestic birds, while India is combatting a third outbreak of H5N1 in poultry.

Confirmatory tests awaited for 2 farms

"The Province of British Columbia has informed the CFIA that preliminary test results from the two additional farms that were quarantined yesterday are presumptive positive for H5 avian influenza," Kochhar noted. "The CFIA will conduct further confirmatory testing."

The CFIA yesterday placed the third and fourth farms under quarantine and said the agency in the coming days will cull and dispose of all birds on the affected farms. A news release yesterday from the CFIA said it will compensate farmers for lost poultry, paying $20 for a non-breeding chicken, $1,200 for a breeding chicken, $70 for a turkey, and $1,050 for a breeding turkey.

The agency said other compensation might also be available. All farms are within about 5 miles of each other.

Jane Pritchard, DVM, chief veterinary officer with British Columbia's Ministry of Agriculture, said at the press conference that the H5 findings in the additional farms were not surprising. "These results were expected based on the tracing of bird movement from one of the original farms," she said.

"It was great work on the ground that predicted the likelihood that these farms would be positive and led to the precautionary quarantine on farms 3 and 4. Through due diligence we were ahead of the game on this."

She added that officials have not detected other unusual losses of poultry on other Fraser Valley farms or symptoms of avian flu in birds. CFIA and British Columbia authorities are going from farm to farm to monitor for further outbreaks.

Pritchard said the disease is unlikely to go undetected because of its impact on birds. "We think that it's about a 3- to 5-day incubation period. And we also know that if it hits, the [poultry] producer isn't going to miss it."

In a report posted by the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) yesterday, officials specified that the outbreak at the initially affected farm in Chilliwack was restricted to one of three barns. In the affected barn, all 700 of the 24-week-old chickens died from H5N2.

One adjacent unaffected barn contains 47-week-old chickens, while the other contains 1-week-old pullets. The farm housed 7,000 poultry before the outbreak.

Pritchard said that at the Abbotsford turkey farm, the "vast majority" of 11,000 turkeys in one barn died from H5N2. The remainder in the barn will be culled, as will flocks of about 3,000 and 14,000 in other barns, she added.

Signs of mutation

Canada has experienced low-pathogenic H5N2 outbreaks in British Columbia in 2005 and 2009 and in Manitoba in 2010, but this appears to be the first outbreak of highly pathogenic H5N2 in the country.

In response to a question, Kochhar said the change "is reflective that these viruses are actively mutating." He said the high-path designation means the virus is both highly contagious and produces high mortality in domestic birds.

When asked if the outbreak is showing signs of being contained, Kochhar said it's still in its early stages. Pritchard added, "Our intention is to come out of this quickly and get back to normal as soon as possible."


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Hi Albert - This is an old article - farm 4 was infected at Dec.4th, here is the Ag listing of who/how many/when etc... sorry cut/paste please

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/reportable/ai/2014-ai-investigation-in-bc/infected-premises/eng/1418340527324/1418340584180

As per the link I sent you on Ebola blog - this is H5N2 with components of N8 in it 'Eurasian Strain'...

I had typed a reply earlier but it never showed up on site. You said you wondered how it had gotten here.

Many experts (scientists etc) involved are saying that it came with wild waterfowl...Russia, to Alaska, then down thru BC. Many involved in the industry (breeders etc) are calling this as BS and saying wild waterfowl being blamed when they don't believe it is them that brought it here. If it came into Alaska, down thru Northern BC etc - why were the first 'dead birds' a commercial barn? Ie. why no dead birds tested in Alaska, or down thru BC - why magically 'there'.
The experts are saying to move all birds inside, use foot baths etc to protect your poultry - if you look at that table 11 of 12 infected properties HAVE all their birds inside (24x7), have foot baths etc etc etc... The 'non-commercial' breeder apparently has a pond on the premises and their birds/wild birds co-mingled on it (I've been told but that is third party).
Ppl within the industry believe it was a breach in protocol at commercial barns or that it shipped in on a live carrier (ex. duck shipped from ?, some believe it might have been carried in on/with migrant workers. All it would take is for a friend or relative of someone at barns to get an 'after hours' tour, not set up new boot bath fluid, not make them change clothes, or put on boot covers (whatever) if that person has contamination on them.... would explain how it popped up in biosecure barns a lot better then a goose flying over....

So regardless of how it got here - it's now traveling south apparently with the migrating birds. I believe I posted the link back when it first appeared in WA on here. In a gyrafalcon (not sure on spelling) that had been fed raw wild duck and in a dead wild bird (duck I think) Then it hit the Oregon flock, then back in WA - 2 flocks, now one in CA.

It sounds like most of the US commercial poultry setups are to the East (a few articles have mentioned this) so they will be safe or safe till spring at least. I live 'central' on the East side of the Rockies and a long ways from this outbreak - but I'm very worried for my birds come spring.

If you look at migration flightways - the birds tend to go south/north along pretty much the same routes - however they mix & mingle in the south over winter before heading back North to nesting sites. Thus my concern for spring.

Don't get me wrong - I am NOT belittling the fact that this is High Path - it's terrifying to me, but not because of risk to ppl - because I could lose every bird I own come spring if even one picks this up...if that happens, I know I wont have the finances & I don't think I'd have the heart to start again. Even if it doesn't wipe me out - it is an industry game changer and I fear that the Canadian and US govts will try to ban backyard flocks much like some Asian countries - kill the little guy to protect the big, even though it's the big players with filthy overcrowded barns full of birds with no immunity, who have time and again, helped these viruses mutate.

BC has been 'shut down' for a few weeks now - they took the bottom half of the province and basically made it 3 zones. You can see/read more here: http://inspection.gc.ca/animals/terrestrial-animals/diseases/reportable/ai/2014-ai-investigation-in-bc/primary-control-zone/eng/1418041742117/1418041743149
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Sorry to hear all that newbie.   Ebola has side tracked us away from what's happening with this, but not any longer.  As time progresses, perhaps you can come up with another plan and new ideas.  We will all work together to ensure you survive it one way or another.   What good is AvianFluTalk if we have any other outcome.    We just need to get warmed up with this situation, is all.

You're doing a good job staying on top of this, as obviously it's your livelihood. You're correct about infected boots spreading it. 

Another Washington bird flock falls victim to avian flu

BENTON COUNTY, Wash. -- Another southeastern Washington chicken farmer has lost his flock to avian flu, and there are sure to be more.

The flu is spreading quickly as wild birds migrate south from British Columbia, carrying strains of the disease never seen before in the U.S.

State and federal agriculture inspectors carry out the deadly deed at a small farm near Richland. By nightfall they will have captured and put to death 500 chickens, ducks and turkeys.

Agriculture officials are considering a poultry quarantine to keep any birds from the area of the two infected farms, but this outbreak knows no true containment.

The virus is believed to be travelling on the wings of birds migrating all the way from the Arctic and even Asia down the Pacific flyway, infecting wild and domestic flocks along the way.

Rangers at the McNary National Wildlife Refuge are part of testing program to see how widespread the disease is in wild waterfowl.

"Lately there's been a couple biologists from USGS, they're doing samples of the birds," said Cory Thompson, McNary National Wildlife Refuge.

The biologists are asking hunters to provide samples so they can see which birds are carrying the virus that has killed wild birds in the state already.

But with some ducks apparently able to survive while carrying the disease, there is potential for a major outbreak. That's why inspectors quickly destroy infected flocks.

Biologists wear protective gear - not because they are afraid of getting the virus from the birds. What they're afraid of is bringing the virus off of the farm, so those protective suits will be burned and destroyed and never leave the area.

And with so many backyard poultry operations in the area, the inspections have really just begun.

"That could mean that actually in the next week or so, USDA teams go door to door in some neighborhoods where they see flocks," said Hector Castro, Washington Department of Agriculture.

And with each infection they find, the taxpayers' bill will go up. Every farmer who agrees to have their flock destroyed will be compensated.

http://www.king5.com/story/tech/science/environment/2015/01/06/another-washington-bird-flock-falls-victim-to-avian-flu/21370803/


(Side Comment: I also reside in Southern cal on the coast, next to a very large bird sanctuary on the Ocean. Will undoubtedly be a hub soon and I'll be watching this one. )


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Regarding H5N2 recent mutation to high path-


Recent research has shown that viruses of low pathogenicity can, after circulation for sometimes short periods in a poultry population, mutate into highly pathogenic viruses. During a 1983-1984 epidemic in the United States of America, the H5N2 virus initially caused low mortality, but within six months became highly pathogenic, with a mortality approaching 90%. Control of the outbreak required destruction of more than 17 million birds at a cost of nearly US$ 65 million. During a 1999-2001 epidemic in Italy, the H7N1 virus, initially of low pathogenicity, mutated within 9 months to a highly pathogenic form. More than 13 million birds died or were destroyed.


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Comment:  We're about to see some huge slaughters.  Not sure most people understand the magnitude of this situation.

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"That could mean that actually in the next week or so, USDA teams go door to door in some neighborhoods where they see flocks," said Hector Castro, Washington Department of Agriculture.

Does this remind anyone else of the 'door to door body checks' that were done in Africa to find Ebola victims.... guess we're not being a whole lot smarter here re: spreading a virus
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I agree Albert - There is potential for MASSIVE culls to take place, pretty much from here until 'further notice'. I have a huge issue with this. We've culled millions & MILLIONS of birds the last couple/few decades and it has not stopped this virus - either from mutating or from spreading. Also -
1) IF the wild birds are carrying this - there is NO way culling captive flocks will keep this from spreading.
2) IF the wild birds are carrying this - maybe we should be looking at how they've developed immunity (we know it's not thru vaccination!!!) so that we can replicate it in our birds?
Seriously - mother nature mutates from low to high and it culls 90% of a flock... are the remaining 10% immune??? Are they carriers/shedders??? Because we have never let a low path flock go thru this - we don't know!   Japan about a week ago culled over 19,600 birds because ONE tested positive with a Low path strain. Note - in this case the low path was H7N9 so I understand the risk of transmission to humans was too high to chance, but in a case of a 'non-transferable' strain? Maybe we need to let mother nature win some battles or she'll go all out to win the war!

Something that hasn't been mentioned in MSM is the risk to/of caged birds. All importation of pet birds (finch, budgies, conures, macaws etc) into Canada from Europe stopped immediately when they had their outbreaks this summer (& bans are still in place) so this has further economic reach then most realize.

Another point that hasn't been discussed (anywhere that I can find) is the fact that canines and felines can carry H5N1. I am not aware of any tests showing whether this is true for this new variant or not, but IF it is - not much point culling all the poultry and no other carriers... just saying

Biosecurity wise, this can be spread via;
* Manure - This is a huge one - walk in duck poop at the neighborhood pond and bring this home on shoes to your own birds. Manure is one of the reasons so many of these viruses get a toehold in asia - they insist on feeding chicken/duck poop to pigs!!! This is also point to consider as far as manure (even composted apparently) being added to garden plots, fields etc. I don't know how long this virus can survive with out a host - but it may also expose possible wild hosts to the pathogen.
* Tires/Equipment - manure spreaders, tires on tractors, trucks, quads...drive thru the above and then bring it onto your property. Many hobbyists are now spraying all tires on vehicles before they can pull into yard. I see this being a major issue when -41 wind chills in place!
* Boots/Clothing - Barn clothing & footwear should not worn anywhere else. This means for visitors - disposable boot covers to get from car to barn, then thru boot soak solution, and/or into a pair of barn boots & disposable coveralls.
* Wild birds - although 'knowledge to date' for this strain says migratory waterfowl, due to the fact that H5N1 can kill/be carried on practically all bird species, you now either keep your birds inside 24x7 or if you have outside runs they need to be covered with plastic, tarps, tin etc - something solid that if the wild sparrows perch on top they can't poop thru so you have wild bird droppings in your pens.
* Mice are also a possible transmitter = up your rodent control but not via cats as...
* Recommendations state to keep cats/dogs out of poultry barns!   
So if this seems like it just got 'way complicated' (and a lot more expensive and a LOT more work & worry) to keep some hens to have your own fresh eggs & meat from - you might be right!

I have a sincere concern that our governments will get stupid (sorry major migraine and can't think of a more politically correct term!) and try to ban back yard flocks & any farm who isn't a massive commercial enterprise, just as they have in some Asian countries. The fact that 11 of the 12 farms infected here have been commercial (ie all the above biosecurity in place) will have no bearing on this - we all know how loud money talks.
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Oh and don't forget potential airborne spread...no idea how this is to be dealt with biosecurity wise!
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Oh here is a new map, just posted showing wild duck die-offs and poultry farms/hobby flocks with the H5N2 strain we're dealing with in BC & WA...

I'll put here for cut/paste (in case paperclip doesn't work for me)
https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.kB0Jt6F7NlIM

and here using paperclip - hopefully you can access thru one or other...

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.kB0Jt6F7NlIM

Oh, crud - ok just to make this even MORE confusing - here is the H5N8 map...

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?authuser=0&hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.ktIjI0Pz2tn8

https://mapsengine.google.com/map/viewer?authuser=0&hl=en&mid=zv94AJqgUct4.ktIjI0Pz2tn8

These maps were posted by Henry Niman (Recombinomics) on FB - hope these are ok to post here...
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Some good insight.


Volume 37, 1986, pp 1-22

A Lethal Outbreak Of H5N2 Influenza in Poultry in the USA: Virus Characterization and Host Range

Abstract

In April 1983, an influenza virus of low virulence appeared in chickens in Pennsylvania, USA. Subsequently, in October 1983, the virus became virulent and caused high mortality in poultry. The causative agent has been identified as an influenza virus of the H5N2 serotype. The haemagglutinin is antigenically closely related to A/Tern/ South Africa/61 (H5N3) and the neuraminidase is similar to that from human H2N2 strains (e.g., A/Japan/305/57) and from some avian influenza virus strains (e.g. A/turkey/Mass/66 [H6N2]).

Experimental infection with the highly pathogenic A/chick/Penn/1370/83 virus produced only mild transient illness in experimentally infected pheasants, little or no clinical signs in ring-billed gulls and pigs, and no clinical signs in pekin ducks. Virus did not replicate efficiently in gulls, ducks and pigs, whereas pheasants shed virus in faeces (104.7 EID50) for at least 15 days. These studies reinforce wildlife surveillance findings indicating that gulls and ducks are unlikely to have transmitted virus between chicken farms during the 1983 outbreak. Although experimental data suggest that wild gallinaceous birds such as pheasants are potentially capable of virus transmission, there has been no evidence of this from wildlife surveillance in Pennsylvania.

Experimental infection of chickens with an H5N2 virus isolated from wild ducks one year before the Pennsylvania outbreak or a gull virus (H5N1) isolated in the quarantine area in 1983 resulted in asymptomatic infections and virus replication occurring only in the upper respiratory tract. These studies suggest that if the first H5N2 virus infecting chickens in Pennsylvania originated from waterbirds, changes in host specificity and pathogenicity for chickens and other gallinaceous birds probably occurred during emergence of the Chicken/Penn/83 virus.

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This is old news from last April.  Apparently there was a low path h5 outbreak last April in California.   Of course all studies indicate that h5n2 mutates to High Path after around six months.   Seems like there has been some shotty surveillance and testing.   I would doubt seeing several HP outbreaks along the west coast. 


Bird Flu Found on California Farm Spurs Export Bans

Apr 23, 2014 12:02 PM PT

The disease known as bird flu has been found on a quail farm in California, prompting countries including Russia to ban poultry shipments from the state.

Low-pathogenic avian influenza was detected in a quail flock at a farm in Stanislaus County, California, on April 18, said Steve Lyle, spokesman for the state’s Department of Food & Agriculture. The case was confirmed by the federal agriculture agency, and the farm has been quarantined, he said.

“Veterinarians are humanely euthanizing birds at the farm as called for in established protocols, which also include epidemiological investigations, further testing of any at-risk flocks, and communication with other poultry farms to ensure that the disease is contained,” Lyle said today in an e-mail.

Russia and Taiwan banned imports of chicken from California. Cuba restricted imports of fresh or frozen poultry from birds raised or processed in Stanislaus County, and Japan has banned California eggs laid and poultry slaughtered on or after March 24, USDA reports show. The state exported $13 million of chicken in 2012, government data show.

Some countries have agreements with the U.S. that require poultry exports to be “suspended for a period when there are such detections,” Ed Curlett, a spokesman at the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal & Plant Health Inspection Service, said in an e-mail.

Little Effect

The ban will have little effect on the U.S. market for poultry meat because California isn’t a big exporter, Tom Elam, the president of food-industry consultant FarmEcon LLC in Carmel, Indiana, said in a telephone interview.

Some “minor” demand disruptions may occur if consumer concerns are raised, Elam said. There is a “huge impact” for the infected flock’s growers, he said.

The USDA has said U.S. poultry farms in 2014 will earn $203,500 on average, the highest in data since 1996. Demand is rising as consumers seek cheaper alternatives to red meat. Whole chickens at U.S. supermarkets sold at half the per-pound cost of beef or pork last month.

“If it’s handled properly, there should be no significant impact on California or the rest of the country,” said Elam, who has studied the poultry markets for 30 years “This is, however, a highly contagious disease among poultry and can potentially cause disruption,” and a spread of the virus would be “catastrophic,” he said.

The virus strain is H5, according to an online notification to the World Organisation for Animal Health. The affected farm contains about 95,000 Japanese quail. The premises has an additional 21,000 Peking ducks for egg production.

California, the top U.S. agricultural producer, had $720 million in chicken sales in 2012 and almost $400 million for eggs, according to Lyle of the state agency.

“The odds are low that it will cause problems beyond these farms,” FarmEcon’s Elam said. “It bears watching any time one of these outbreaks happens.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Elizabeth Campbell in Chicago at ecampbell14@bloomberg.net

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/bird-flu-found-on-california-quail-farm-spurs-export-bans.html
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