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With methane becoming the main greenhouse gas global warming is speeding up. Also the water in oceans is warming up fast. Melting of permafrost regions (polar, mountains) will increase. 

Losing permafrost on a large scale, "methane release"burps"", will increase seismic activity. Increase of temperature will mean increase of violant storms and droughts. 

The coming decade will bring severe unrest. Economies and nations will have to deal with problems in food/water production and distribution. One of the reasons why this might not mean large movement of people on the longer term is that "the logistic system" will break down. 

Because all forms of life will be effected pandemics of all kinds can be expected. 

The global crisis will be a "total"crisis. Economics, political, climate, health, food, water, logistics. 

The "elite" proberbly is aware of the unfolding global crisis and making plans (for themselves). 

I hope I am wrong on this. Maybe solar activity can slow down/reverse global warming. Maybe the "data"is incorrect or incomplete. Nature might find a way to get things in balance in a way science did not (yet) think of. 

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Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Online Points: 95377	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: How long do we have ? Posted: November 10 2015 at 12:56am
	http://arctic-news.blogspot.nl/2014/06/arctic-atmospheric-methane-global-warming-veil.html https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=934990719913096&set=p.934990719913096&type=3&theater With methane becoming the main greenhouse gas global warming is speeding up. Also the water in oceans is warming up fast. Melting of permafrost regions (polar, mountains) will increase. Losing permafrost on a large scale, "methane release"burps"", will increase seismic activity. Increase of temperature will mean increase of violant storms and droughts. The coming decade will bring severe unrest. Economies and nations will have to deal with problems in food/water production and distribution. One of the reasons why this might not mean large movement of people on the longer term is that "the logistic system" will break down. Because all forms of life will be effected pandemics of all kinds can be expected. The global crisis will be a "total"crisis. Economics, political, climate, health, food, water, logistics. The "elite" proberbly is aware of the unfolding global crisis and making plans (for themselves). I hope I am wrong on this. Maybe solar activity can slow down/reverse global warming. Maybe the "data"is incorrect or incomplete. Nature might find a way to get things in balance in a way science did not (yet) think of.
	We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein

OriginalHappyCamper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: December 25 2013 Location: Silverton, Or Status: Offline Points: 2850	Post Options Post Reply Quote OriginalHappyCamper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 10 2015 at 5:11am
	Josh Wrote "The global crisis will be a "total"crisis. Economics, political, climate, health, food, water, logistics. " He forgot to include Religious.
	Jesus Christ died and was raised on the third day, the only "God" to overcome death.

Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Online Points: 95377	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 16 2015 at 12:46am
	@OHC, you are correct. History saw several large religious crises that should be seen in a wider context. The breaking up proces of the Roman Empire can be linked to making cristianity state religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica. One could argue that the plague can be linked to the rise of Protestant-religion (and the 80 year war, 30 year war in western Europe).
	We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein

Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Online Points: 95377	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 16 2015 at 12:47am
	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/02/melting-ice-in-west-antarctica-could-raise-seas-by-3m-warns-study Melting ice in west Antarctica could raise seas by three metres, warns study Nasa research finds ice in the region has gone into ‘irreversible retreat’ and claims effect is ‘unstoppable’ A key area of ice in west Antarctica may already be unstable enough to cause global sea levels to rise by three metres of ocean rise, scientists said on Monday. The study follows research published last year, led by Nasa glaciologist Eric Rignot, warning that ice in the Antarctic had gone into a state of irreversible retreat, that the melting was considered “unstoppable” and could raise sea level by 1.2 metres. This time, researchers at Germany’s Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research pointed to the long-term impacts of the crucial Amundsen Sea sector of west Antarctica, which they said “has most likely been destabilized”. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/17/climate-change-antarctica-glaciers-melting-global-warming-nasa
	We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein

Satori Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Valued Member Joined: June 03 2013 Status: Offline Points: 28655	Post Options Post Reply Quote Satori Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 16 2015 at 2:41pm
	ready or not you may not believe in climate change but climate change believes in you !!! In Greenland, another major glacier comes undone – ‘The changes are staggering and are now affecting the four corners of Greenland’ http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/11/in-greenland-another-major-glacier.html

Dutch Josh Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: May 01 2013 Location: Arnhem-Netherla Status: Online Points: 95377	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dutch Josh Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 16 2015 at 10:34pm
	https://www.facebook.com/AlamoProject/?fref=nf Melting of (land)ice in Greenland, Antarctica etc. must be speeding up that fast that measurements of sealevelrise will be influenced. The sealevelrise may increase to centimeters per year. And that is shocking ! Temperature-rise so far also will speed up coming years due to increase of methane. The bigger picture is very depressing. In my opinion a few things still give some hope; science may oversee some factors. Nature may be able to find some stability. Also the Sun could have a cooling effect, maybe.... Human activity borders collective insanity also in the climate/habitat sphere. The bad news I am getting from all this kind of climate-info is that all human action comes far to late to have any effect. Still it would be wise to go to renewable energy, try to limit growth of population, try to have plans for long term food and drinkingwater for all people on this earth. "The train is out of control and running full speed into a dead end". http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2015/11/noaa-report-finds-human-caused-global.html
	We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein

How long do we have ?

Melting ice in west Antarctica could raise seas by three metres, warns study

In Greenland, another major glacier comes undone – ‘The changes are staggering and are now affecting the four corners of Greenland’