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    Posted: September 22 2007 at 11:16am
    While in my local WalMart grocery the other day I was walking the isles thinking about what I would buy, for dinner and for my prepping stores and I wondered what I would buy if I knew the pandemic had started and I knew for sure this was my last shopping trip for a very long time.
I have a full sized pickup truck and the money for the next months bills in my checking account. Say 2000 dollars. I realize everyone's last list would be different because it will depend on what you have already bought. Please share your ideas.
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Its a good idea to make a list - I keep amending mine.
 
Its pretty much stuff that is short dated - Powdered milk, long life milk etc
 
A few more of everthing else I have already stashed as the rotation game will stop.
 
The list also contains stuff that we wouldn't normally buy but that what we would need if there was no alternative.   Tinned fruit and veg - as we always buy fresh we never eat the canned stuff but if there is a chance of the fresh stuff not being available or not wanting to go shopping... 
 
Fill up cars with petrol and buy extra propane cylinders.
 
Also the doomsday list
Seeds
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    Most people here are talking bags of rice, but that's only good as long as your power is working. Go ahead and get what fresh foods you can and eat them promptly cuz it's going to be the last milk and fruit and eggs you have for a very long time.

Refried beans taste like chip dip, so kids might be able to eat it cold out of the can. Buy some potato chips to keep the kids comfortable. Buy some board games. Remember, the kids are going to be frightened and scared and you're their only emotional buffer from the threat of a pandemic.

Some cereal can be eated without milk. I like sugar smacks, honeycomb are good, maybe capt crunch. Actually ask your kids what kind of cereal they want to eat if milk no longer exists.
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  I keep adding to my last minute list.  I added Alcohol to drink someone here suggested it would be good for barter. Rubbing alcohol, Fresh vegetables to make a fresh pot of chicken soup which we will eat very quickly.  Green tea, I heard it was good for colds and flu.  I will store extra onions and garlic for the winter.  Next week we will get extra fire wood and have the propane tanks topped off.  Need lots and lots of cough drops.  On second thought I think I will go shopping tomorrow.  You will be surprised at how many cough drops you go thur so buy plenty.
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There are a few things I have avoided buying in large quanities up til now because I know they would get old, like quarts and quarts of mayo or 15 blocks of velveta. Also the very large containers of peanut butter. I would also get stuff like fresh chiken and pork and can it in the pressure canner. I have done a little of this but just to get the practice. I think the first things to go will be the sort of things people buy for a hurricane. I hope to be finished with that kind of stuff soon. I am finished with the staples.
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A case or more of bourbon, 6 cartons of cigarettes, wholesalers box of 2 minute noodles, as many small boxes of velveeta as possible, chicken and beef stock cubes, a case of dinty moore beef stew and a case of Hormel Stag Chille, tylenol, toilet paper. The last shop is for other people's percieved wants and needs. Things to barter with.

Alcohol, tobacco, junk food, and toilet paper are things people locked up in their house will want.
The two minute noodles and velveeta are for charity handouts. I plan to offer a couple of them with every bottle of bourbon or carton of smokes I trade for something else. Kids love cheese and noodles.
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Tea lights [candles] you can heat a pan of water over them though it takes a while, crackers, pain relief tablets, stock cubes, solar lights, great for recharging AA battries, rechargeable batteries various sizes [already have two solar battery chargers]. Canned fruit, cartons of juice & water containers.
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remember barter means contact with others, you risk infection each time. when i hear barter i think of the smallpox infected blankets given to the Indians.
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    Diego's right, but the third wave of pandemic is usually the weakest.
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When I think of barter I picture the recovery period following the pandemic. A big herd of goats would be a good thing to have. Milk and meat. They are a pain though.
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    Given the rate of apparent increase it could be years of severe flu seasons before that kind of death rate happened. Like Katrina, there will be phases of reconstruction.
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My thought was to buy soup...I now have 100 cans of soup and my husband ask me to please stop buying soup.  So I started buying pasta. To go with the soup..and lots of baking stuff (flour,can milk,et) so I can make pot pies with my soup.  Some days I will just have plain soup.
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    Last minutes supplies
Rechargeable batteries
regular batteries
Medical supplies
Water...lots of water
can goods you like to eat...
beans, tuna, can meats, veggies, pasta, etc.
can fruits liquids you can drink also
peanut butter
jelly
crackers
bottle juice, tonic, gateraide
paper products t paper, kleenex, trash bags, paper plates
more water!!!!!!
freeze dryed foods...
spices to make food taste better
jello,,
lets put it this way if its storable and you like it and its got a good shelf life buy it...

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    Soup is pretty good I agree, it'll hydrate you too. Let's not forget energy/sports bars like nutrigrain. Grocery shopping day is this coming wed for me. I usually just get apple but I'm going to try some of the other flavors. Three six packs, not very heavy, that's 18 rations. They're more for my emergency bag than conventional preps (presuming I can stay in my home during an emergency other than pandemic). Light enough to be portable. I'm also getting 6 packs of water for the duffel, which is already very heavy. I'm going to take everything out and repack it more efficiently.
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    Prepgirl, here's some advice - stock up regularly on batteries and spend just a bit each month. You have no idea what kind of money you're going to have when we get the final warning and you're not going to be able to afford a lot of expensive batteries. Stock up regularly or you could run into a severe problem where you have to decide what to prioritize.
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    I am saving one pay check aside to get last minutes items.
    I am going to have lots of food on hand when the crap hits the fan.

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    Walgreens sells their own brand of batteries, same thing for half the price. I never buy expensive batteries.
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I bought a solar battery charger, it charges D, C, AA, AAA cell bateries, yes it does take longer to charge the battries, but it is my back up plan if we have power cut and flat battries. I have also used solar lights from the garden as stair markers, as they have an ambient glow they are not very useful for reading but great for placing in dangerous areas such as stairs & where you might walk into heavy furniture, saves on candles and are extremley safe to have around young children or the elderly/disabled.
As for last moment shopping I think I will be more wary as to how much I purchase, I live in the suburbs and will be staying put, the last thing I want to advertise is that I have a lot of groceries to neighbours ect, instead I'm just buying a little extra every time I shop.
Some supplies I have bought over the internet, occasionally a neighbour has accepted this for me when I'm out, I just tell them I,m christmas shopping or buying birthday gifts.
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A last minute plan:

I have learned how to can quick breads. There is debate on the subject, so read up and make your own decision; but I have enjoyed them at a couple of months old, they say they stay fresh much longer.

I plan to have dry ingredients stored, then, on last minute shopping day, purchase the necessary eggs, butter, etc and immediately make a selected number of jars of apple bread, etc. I store them in the extra refrigerator for longer life.

If power is lost for a long period, we will have this to eat for bread.

I also have a bread maker so as not to be without bread while there is power.
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For me my final trip to store would be...and I got practice when 9/11 hit...I was watching the news and ran to the store...no one there new what was happening..this is what I bought and what I'd get again.
Fresh AND canned fruit
Fresh Vegetables and canned
potatoes
milk to last a week...bags of ice just in case(I am now stocked with powdere milk and powdered eggs)
Fresh eggs, OJ, butter
batteries ...always can use more
cracker, nuts, peanut butter and jelly.
I have all that I'm talking about but I'd get more.
Definitely fill up gas tanks(which we always do)
as much water as I can carry...which we do already because our city water is AWFUL:O)cookies, candy and any other canned foods like raviolis, soups that my family likes or can eat if they had to without preparation...meat if I can afford it too to put in freezer with my ice.
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I keep thinking there should be a computer program to put all we use on that will guess what we need ,but no government seems to bring anything like that out to help us. Will have to rely on my ageing memory
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Originally posted by Dijoy Dijoy wrote:

I keep thinking there should be a computer program to put all we use on that will guess what we need ,but no government seems to bring anything like that out to help us. Will have to rely on my ageing memory
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    Tons of rice...about 100 lbs along with about 100 cans of diffrent chunky soups to spice up the rice dishes. I def need more firewood for the wood stove, but hoping all stays low till income tax return time;P Im not a picky eater, either is my hubby..but add tuna, canned spaghetti's, salmon, canned fruits up the yin yang;P and crackers by the tons. along with pretzle rods, and nuts. oh yeah peanut butter, and beanut butter cheese crackers with home made jams. we should be all right for some time. Its the lack of wood thats scary..because thats our heat as well;(
    
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 I quit wasting my money on batteries, get the crank flashlights and radios, they work great, I did not buy the ones from wal mart, they didnt work. They are on sale at kmart and kohls for around twenty dollars. Well worth it.
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Originally posted by Ro2935 Ro2935 wrote:

Tea lights [candles] you can heat a pan of water over them though it takes a while, crackers, pain relief tablets, stock cubes, solar lights, great for recharging AA battries, rechargeable batteries various sizes [already have two solar battery chargers]. Canned fruit, cartons of juice & water containers.
 
I TESTED THE HEATING OF WATER OVER T-LIGHT CANDLES.
Thus is what I found:
 
1 1/2 cups of water will boil within 10-15  minutes if 8 T-lights are arranged in a circle under the pan.  Don't place a candle in the middle of the circle...it will overheat, flame over, and produce a lot of soot.
Elevate the pan over the T-lights with a metal grid. I used the one that covers the burners on my gas stove.
The candles then were too close to the pan and emitted a lot of soot. So I added another metal grid, which raised the pan just an 1/8th of an inch... out of the range of the candle flame. Then I had no soot produced.
You don't want soot. It is carcinogenic and very difficult to clean off.
 
THE WATER WILL HEAT FASTER IF A FLAT DINNER PLATE IS PLACED OVER THE PAN, RATHER  THAN THE DOMED PAN COVER.
 
And as far as burning candles in general, you don't want a flickering candle flame. They produce a lot of dangerous soot. Placing a candle inside a flu  or votive glass will cause the flame to flicker and produce soot. A flickering flame is one which is not getting enough oxygen.
 
And candles are dangerous, you must keep an eye on any open flame.
We will see a lot of extra fires during a pandemic.
I went out and bought a couple more fire extinguishers.
I do prefer my solar lantern for health and safety reasons, but if it should fail, my candles won't.
 
And if you plan on heating with wood, and lighting (plus cooking) with just candles or oil lamps and lanterns, be sure and buy enough matches.
About 12,000 matches will do.
10 gallons of fuel for 2 oil lamps.
5,000 T- lights for cooking.
1,500 8 hour candles for lighting.
Yes, the numbers add up...sigh
(AND I could be much too low on these numbers Confused)
 
IT'S ONE THING TO MENTION CANDLES, BATTERIES, MATCHES AND FUEL  AS PREP ITEMS, BUT BE SURE AND ADD UP  WHAT NUMBER OF EACH IS NEEDED  FOR THE DURATION OF A PANDEMIC...WHEN THE UTILITIES MAY FAIL FOR up to 18 MONTHS.
 
You just don't want to run out of things like this just 3 or 4 months into a pandemic.
 
And if the utilities are sporadic, then the excess candles, matches, and fuel can be utilized by the neighbors, who probably will be living in the dark and cold, as most will be woefully unprepared.
 
(When I first started preparing, I bought 2 dozen candles and 3 boxes of wooden matches. Plus one case of fruit, vegetables, meat and cat food. And I thought I was ready for anything! LOL)
 
As far as my last shopping trip, I am sooo slow and the list is sooo long, the trip will last a month! But if I run out of money, it could be over in minutes!
 
 

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My last minute items are items I can do without if I have to, but things I would prefer to have: fresh fruits, potatoes, fresh veggies, fresh milk, bread, more dog food, more cat food. I can make do without it, but would prefer to have these things on hand if possible.
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I was thinking about my last minute list and decided to post here to bring the topic back into conversation. Here's my last minute list:

Gas (obviously) fill up gas cans and car tanks!
More coleman cooker fuel (btw, does this go bad like regular gas?)
More Propane tanks
More batteries

Food: (short exp. dates)

Carnation dry and condensed milk
Fresh fruits/veg
Crackers
Granola bars
Small containers of mayo and ranch dressing
Pedialyte
Ensure

I think I'm pretty well set for canned meats, fruits, vegetables, soups, ravioli, chili, pasta, rice, ect.

Anyone have other "last minute essentials" to add?
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Susan T- I am glad u got this topic back up.Thumbs%20Up
I actually didnt know that gas went bad.
I really am at a loss for batteries. I need to add that to my list and a second flashlight.
i'd probably stock up on gatorade for the electrolytes and some dried fruits, yum.
i also collect condiments from restaurants *kinda silly huh?*
also i need some canned tamales and other canned things like beans, veggies, w/e elese i like that is able to be canned. and some ramen and some more water bottles. Just things i'd be able to take with me to college next year.
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Fresh fruit and vegetables especially potatoes,apples & butternut squash. Tinned milk and puddings as they don't seem to have too long a shelf life. Cracker biscuits and other savoury and sweet biscuits
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The usual "last hooray" list - fresh veggies, milk, eggs, etc.
 
 
I plan to grab lots of extra canning lids. With all this talk about water, I plan to fill my unused jars with water and process them in a water bath. I will continue to do this with jars I open so as long as we have good tap water.  No point in letting the jar sit there unused...
 
(for those that don't can, waterbath canning is a snap - it is simply a  matter of having the right size pan and holder to lower the jars into boiling water for a few minutes).
 
I have begun attacking one item at a time.  ie, having enough ingredients to make apple bread; enough that we can have it once a week for x amout of months. Approaching other favorites the same way. List the full quantity needed of flour, applesauce, etc.  That is a page in my last minute shopping list because I would hate to realize I have everything but didn't get the applesauce... so once I decide that I want an item available, calculate the need and it becomes a priority. When you, say, buy the applesauce, you can cross it off the list. But when TSHTF, you know what is left to buy.
 
Regarding what I read about candles scorching - I do not know if this applies; but when we went camping, and cooked things on an open fire, we would smear a light layer of dish soap on the outside of the kettle. After dinner the scorching wiped off with a paper towel - no sticking. Not sure if it would be the same situation with candles - anyone know?
 
 
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When I consider buying something for a prep I ask myself if it will keep well. If the answer is yes I want to buy a lot of it now. I want my last trip to be for things that do not keep well or things like meat that I can put in jars. I want to be able to ignore everything else because I know I already have enough of that stuff.
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Originally posted by Suzi Suzi wrote:

When I consider buying something for a prep I ask myself if it will keep well. If the answer is yes I want to buy a lot of it now. I want my last trip to be for things that do not keep well or things like meat that I can put in jars. I want to be able to ignore everything else because I know I already have enough of that stuff.
 
We're on the same page.The stuff I'm storing now is mostly dried preps sealed in mylar and canned goods that have shelf lives measured in years. The stuff I'll be buying last minute will be things that go bad in a much shorter time frame - not just food, but things like gas and batteries.
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jacksdad, I too am now only storing long term preps. I am also getting my Berkey so that no matter what I can get any type of water and make it good. Necessary when you have "dried" food.

I have also purchased a manual coffee grinder and a a perk coffee pot, only fire needed for coffee now. Have to have coffee!!

I believe if people want to prep for 6 months or more and have money to spend they would be better off to purchase #10 cans of dehydraded food. Look at the servings and figure how much they need.

They would also need to purchase a good Berkey type water purifyer or some other type of water filter system to be sure they can rehydrate the food.

If this food is kept in a cool basement it will last for 10 or more years and their basic food preps are taken care of...a no brainer. This is I believe a better way to save money by prepping this way lots of food, small space needed, rotate food every 10 to 20 years.

Many of the dry food companies have pre made kits for just this type of thing. I just wish the people who have money would do this so they would be one less group to have to deal with.

I have my last minute lists all made...I check them monthly and add and delete as needed. I am now trying to accumulate all the non-perishable items now so they are off the list. This is my summer project!
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FluMom - where did you get the coffee grinder? I've been looking for a good one as a back up. I'm also going to get a couple of Berkey filters and make a filter unit with some buckets. With all the dried food I have I'll need water or it'll all go to waste. Putting the last of my rice into buckets this afternoon (I have 250 lbs so far, so now I'm concentrating on other stuff for a while, like canned fruit). The wife - who up until now didn't know we were prepping, other than some canned veggies she found in the motorhome - walked in on me on Monday while I was sealing 50lbs of rice, 25lbs of bread flour, and 25lbs of tortilla flour in mylar in the middle of the living room. She hasn't said anything yet, but it's coming. Just shook her head and went into the bedroom. Oops.
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jacksdad...your wife will be so happy with you when tshtf..trust me and alot more than the birdflu will be hitting it....prep prep prep....we're all proud of you....
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[QUOTE=jacksdad] FluMom - where did you get the coffee grinder? I've been looking for a good one as a back up.

I purchased a Zassenhaus Knee Style Hand Coffee Grinder from EspressoZone.com for $84.90 total.

Just got it and have tried it and I am very happy. I purchaed the Knee Grinder because you do not have to "hold" it. Just put it between your knees and turn. It is easy even for very fine grind but it takes maybe 3-5 minutes to grind enough for 12 cup coffee maker. I did not time myself but it did a great job and it was easy to turn.

Now that being said I would only use this if there is no power, my electric grinder is just fine for now but when times get bad I will love my hand grinder.

Please remember to get a non electric perk pot, I'm going to get mine from Sportsman's Warehouse a 6 cup because it takes less energy to brew 6 cups. My husband will have to rough it!

I am going to purchase a Berkey because I believe in stainless steel for water and I will also purchase an extra two filters. I will be able to give my neighbor friends water. I can have them leave bottles in a bucket of bleach water at my door, fill them and then leave them outside my door for them to pick up. I will not give food but I will not let them die from thurst.

It takes I believe only 3-10 days to die from lack of clean water but you can live several months with very little food.

Have your wife read the article on this fourm on the Health Dept report to people in that TN County. Maybe she will start to see that food will be gone in 24 hours from the shelves and no clean water in a matter of 3-4 weeks as people are too sick or too dead to go to their jobs. Hard fact but true.

Hope this helps!
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A couple a years ago a tornado hit  the town my youngest daughter lived ..she called me and asked what the weather looked like for the rest of the day I told her more tornado were expected..I told her go get some supplies batteries,water etc...she said later I said NO now so she hopped in her car..got  somethings and went home, later that morning they thought they should have a few more things so she went back to the same store and the shelves were almost bare..the scare of the weather and the fact they were the only store in town with electricity..they must have had a generator or on the only line that had electricity.....I have always keep my pantry full since we once lived were blizzards and tornadoes were likely and we lived 25 miles from any town....but after that I realized that fair sized towns(they have 70,000 people) could run into trouble from what ever,and I started prepping for real....this may be a birdflu forum but most of us here realize that the world is changing so it not just the flu but other things...I  had the Hong Kong flu in 69' I didn't go anywhere for 2 weeks it took me weeks to get my strength back I was 18 my husband didn't get it he was in the military I'm sure they had some kind of flu shot...
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starspirit, you are so correct, we are not only prepping for BF but anything else that may happen. I use to live in Tornado Alley when I was a kid and never knew when life would change. In Colorado we have been snowed in for 5 days lucky with power but I could have lasted for 12 weeks then and soon I will be ready for almost a year.
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way to go Flumom
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Thanks FluMom. I kept coming across the Zassenhaus grinders and really needed to hear that someone liked theirs before I bought one. I guess you have to pay for quality - I kept coming up with prices in the same range as you paid for yours. I liked the idea of the knee style one - it looked a lot less cumbersome to use. 
I have a good size coffee pot that we've used a few times on camping trips and it works fine. I already have a couple of large containers of ground coffee in my preps, but it would be nice to be able to have fresh ground. Caffeine means a lot to me (as I swig another mouthful of Mountain Dew...).
I'm okay with plastic being used for water storage and I figured what I'd save on the complete Berkey unit by making my own would allow me to get at least a couple more filters as back ups. They sell on eBay all the time for about $99 a pair.
Not anywhere near the tornadoes that touched down today, are you?
 
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Glad I could help...I hate to purchase anything that expensive and then not have it work or work poorly. I usually purchase quality and find it to be the best bargan.

We love coffee also and we always purchase beans so I needed a grinder since I stock only beans. I figure we go through 10 lb of coffee a month so I am stocking for that vacuum pack and then some in the freezer.

I still have to purchase a pot but I need one small enough to fit in my fireplace insert on a trivet that I put "coals" under to heat the pot.
A six cup is all I think I will be able to fit.

I was not near the tornadoes, thank you for asking. I live in the foothills so I do not have to worry too much with tornadoes. If you live in eastern Colorado you are at high risk. I feel so very sorry for the people hit. Some have no house left and others partial houses. Cows were standing under fallen roofs ok but in shock.

Pray for these people, "There but for the Grace of God go I."

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Glad you were out of harms way  Thumbs%20Up
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Yes Flumom really glad your ok....Have CNN on now Greensburg,Ks who was hit so bad last year is dealing with tornadoes all around them tonight I hope they dodge that bullet...we, Kansas city area will be dulling with them Sunday and Monday..makes my skin crawl....
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"jacksdad...your wife will be so happy with you when tshtf..trust me and alot more than the birdflu will be hitting it....prep prep prep....we're all proud of you.... "
 
   starspirit - thank you for the kind words. I'm prepping for myself, my wife and son, plus my in-laws (although none of them realize it yet). We have no way of leaving the city if it hits, but I figure if we band together and use one of the homes we'll be in better shape. I agree with you about the possibilty of something other than BF taking a swipe at our way of life. With the way things are going worldwide, I think a stock of staples could be a life saver if any number of scenarios pan out.
   I expected to slow down with my preps after a certain point, but I find myself buying more these days. I'd planned on about 100 lbs of rice in my preps, and I'm already at 250lbs. I just bought some more mylar bags and buckets (although I have to order some more oxygen absorbers before I can bag anything else) and I have more bread flour, TVP, lentils, peas and assorted beans ready to be sealed. Every shopping trip brings more stuff home - I just went through the discount section at my local Albersons and picked up 9 cans of Lysol (half price) and three packs of plastic sheets for sealing your windows ($1 each). Anybody else found that their prepping is accelerating?
    Fingers crossed the bad weather gives you a break. Be safe. 
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