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    Posted: May 12 2006 at 11:34pm
    Hemorrahagic Pneumonia, How do we prepare for this?

I am new to the forum and just want to thank all of you... I am being realistic here, not negative.In all of our preparedness activities, what are some of your ideas as to how we should handle some of the worst complications that come from avian influenza? With out doctors or hospitals or antibiotics what can we do, so as to not let pneumonia set in? Any homeopathic remedies to thwart pneumonia?
This is serious to me as I have a family, all high risk, due to immune compromised systems, asthma etc... even on all their medications my children still got pneumonia this year... I really don't want to see my children or have my children see me bleeding from my mouth and death soon there after... we as a group need to try and collaborate as to how to fight this w/ out the medical community being available. HELP!
Just this week local hospitals wher I am located have implemented decontamination chambers that can decontaminate four people at a time...I live in a small area! The paper said that should we contract the virus that we would be asked to stay home... Not Good...No antibiotics... I am wondering besides garlic what is a natural antibiotic and perhaps some serious old remedies if any from 1918 era...I am investigating too?!
    
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"what are some of your ideas as to how we should handle some of the worst complications that come from avian influenza? With out doctors or hospitals or antibiotics what can we do, so as to not let pneumonia set in? "

 
Could I suggest that you read all of the info on this Forum and I guess you will arrive at the same conclusion that we have.
 
That is that if the SHTF we are on our OWN!!!
 
Forget what the people in charge can do or can't do, PREPARE yourself and your family. Lay in ALL the supplies you need and hide them well and DON'T tell anyone that you are doing so.  Do it quietly a bit every time you go to the supermarket and do you planning for TOTAL quarantine for at least 100 days. That is what I am doing.
 
No guarantees with all that,  but it WILL increase the chances of survival for you and your loved ones.
 
Good luck!
 
 
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There is a lot of information on the forum related to homeopathic medicine and alternative treatments.

Some of the things I've read about here include oil of oregano, cider vinegar, Manuka honey, colloidal silver, lauricidin, sambucol and many others. You really just need to read and make your own decisions.

Many of us have either convinced our doctors to give us prescriptions for antibiotics or purchased them online without a prescription, just to have on hand.

Each family concerned is having to find things the best way they can. We've spent what we could on anti-viral and antibiotic meds as well as stocking many old fashioned and alternative remedies. I've also stocked up on ibuprofen, nyquil, chest rub, benedryl, mucinex and other OTC meds.

You can use the search feature to help locate some of the older threads that focused on alternative meds.

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FigurinItout - I would read the threads on pneumonia vaccine if I were you.  There are a couple of them.  We (in UK) had to pay for ours privately, because we weren't in any of the "at risk" groups, but it sounds as if your children may be if they are immunocompromised.  Same kinds of rules apply in the US I think.  We paid £25 at one clinic and £45 for another family member at another clinic.  In Holland its 35 Euros.  Not that much considering that it will protect you from the commonest forms of secondary pneumonia.  Not from the viral pneumonia caused by H5N1 itself though.
As for homeopathic remedies, thats not my scene but I'm sure you will find others on this site who can advise you if you're into homeopathy. Welcome and good luck. Beth
 
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Hello figuren it out:
 
I to have 4 of us in my family with Asthma...I went to my doctor and insisted we all get the pneumonia shot...My doctor has always insist I get this shot every year...
 
I'm sure you have a nebulizer with your family being asmatic...I'm stocking up on alburterol 0.083 vials..you know the medication that goes in the nebulizer...Also the alburteral inhaler......
 
I told my doctor that the allergies are kicking up our asthma...He gave me 5 refills and I'm filling them every month...You also should be on singular...It works the best at everyday control....
 
I also go musinex nyguil.....Cool air humitifiers...and vapor rub for the chest and the liquid vapor is great in the warm air humidifiers which are 10.00 at wal-mart...
 
The one thing that saved my parents from getting up every singe night with my sister and myself was an aircondisher...We slept through the night for the first time when my father took every cent he had to buy one..
 
Now if the power goes off...make sure you have a generator even if it's a small one that will run a 5000 btu aircondishtioner...It filters the air and  it easier to breath cool air...
 
If it's winter and you live in a cold climate it is a myth to take a child to breath cold air...I closes the airway...I'm talking about 30 degree weather...I'm sure you know this already but talk to your doctor about this...prehaps they'll give you a prescription just in case...
 
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I was also thinking about complications...  It's been posted on the board, that one of the presenting signs of this H5N1 (current varient?) is diarrhea.  CDC says it happens about 7 days prior to other symptoms.  Not a type you may be used to, water.  Have we thought how to care for this.

I am working on a piece for home care, sick room supplies, that I will post soon.  Someone wanted to know how to make a bed with someone in it, in there also.
 
I found the symptoms a while back in CDC for H5N1 in humans.  I was sure
I bookmarked it, but can't find the link now.  What I had to do was find the medical code and then put that code in on a particular area on CDC.
Has anyone else had any luck with that?
It was a file and I hand wrote a portion of it, it was very detailed, graphic.
 
I found some of it on other sites but not like what the CDC offered, very specific and I will post it.
 
sorry post this is rather long but perhaps you may find something helpful.
 
I am not a Doctor, so I can't recommend Oregano oil.  But I have used it several times, with good results.  I would suggest that you confer with your Doctor on how safe it is for you personally, to use it in an extreme situation where nothing else may be available...put that way, your Doctor may well discuss it's use.
 

 
 
Oregano Oil: Nature's Super Germ Fighter
 
James South, M.A
 
With the advent of widespread antibiotic usage in the late 1940s, doctors began to vanquish the bacterial germ diseases that had ravaged mankind since ancient times. By the 1960s such ancient enemies as diphtheria, scarlet fever, syphilis, bubonic plague and tuberculosis were easily treatable with modern antibiotics.
 
Yet by the 1990s, antibiotics were no longer hailed as the miracle they had seemed just 40 years earlier. By the 1990s many bacteria had developed a resistance to most antibiotics. Widespread overuse of antibiotics also seemed to promote a new plague: the development of fungal infections especially Candida albicans in the young, the elderly and the immunocompromised.1-3
 
Ironically, research beginning in the 1950s (the  golden years  of antibiotic usage)4 continuing to the present day, has provided a remedy for both bacterial antibiotic resistance and fungal infestation: oregano oil. Oregano oil is produced by distillation from the leaves and flowers of wild Mediterranean oregano (Origanum Vulgare).
 
1 Oregano oil is rich in phenolic compounds, including carvacrol and thymol, 6,7 which have been shown to be powerfully germicidal against a wide range of bacteria, fungi and protozoal parasites, even at minute concentrations of the oil.3-11
 
Although modern science has verified the broad-spectrum antimicrobial activity of oregano oil, oregano has been used for medicine and food preservation for thousands of years. According to oregano expert Dr. Cass Ingram, ancient Greek physicians routinely used oregano to treat a myriad of conditions, including open wounds, lung disorders, venomous bites and narcotic poisoning.
 
When Islamic civilization flourished in the Middle Ages, its doctors used oregano and its oil to treat germ diseases. Powdered wild oregano was then used as a food preservative, keeping unrefrigerated vegetables unspoiled for up to two weeks. Medieval Europeans used wild oregano to prevent milk spoilage. In the 1600s British herbalist Gerard promoted oregano as the ideal treatment for head colds.1
 
A large number of in vitro, or  test tube  studies, have shown oregano oil, or its most active constituents carvacrol and thymol, to kill a broad range of bacteria and fungi. Conner and Beuchat tested 32 plant oils against 13 food-spoilage and industrial yeasts by the agar diffusion method. Growing yeasts were spread on special plates onto the center of which small (6 mm) discs dipped in one percent or 10 percent essential oil were placed.
 
The  zone of inhibition,  wherein no yeasts grew, was measured after four days. Out of 32 oils, only garlic oil had a larger average zone of inhibition than oregano oil, and oregano had a larger zone of inhibition than garlic oil for four of 13 yeasts tested.4
 
Hammer and colleagues investigated 52 plant oils for activity against nine bacteria and the yeast Candida using the agar diffusion method. Oregano oil was one of only three oils that inhibited the growth of Pseudomonas aeruginosa, a hard-to-kill bacterium that causes human wound infections. Overall, oregano oil was better at inhibiting germ growth than all oils tested except lemon grass oil. Oregano oil was effective at concentrations as low as 0.12 percent.5
 
Tantaoui-Elaraki and Beraoud tested 13 essential oils against the common food contaminant mold Aspergillus parasiticus. Oregano oil was one of four oils that could completely stop mold growth at concentrations as low as 0.1 percent. The production of aflatoxins, incredibly potent toxins produced by many Aspergillus species, was also measured. Oregano oil was one of three oils that could inhibit aflatoxin production more than 90 percent at an oil concentration of only 0.01 percent, and one of six oils that could completely inhibit aflatoxin production at 0.1 percent.6
 
Baratta and coworkers tested sage, rosemary, oregano, laurel and coriander oils against 25 bacteria. They noted that   oregano oil manifested the broadest and highest activity against almost all of the bacteria tested; in fact it strongly inhibited 19 of the 25 bacterial strains under investigation, showed a good activity against four bacteria and proved to be ineffective against the growth of [two]. 7 They also found coriander and oregano oil to have the highest activity against the fungus Aspergillus niger.
 
The zones of inhibition (ZI) were typically much greater for oregano oil than the other four. Thus the ZI for oregano oil against Salmonella bacteria was 46.8 mm, compared to 7.6-12.6 mm for the other four oils; 29.8 mm against Yersinia vs. 6.8-12.3 mm for the other four oils; 31.1 mm against Citrobacter vs. 9.7-13 mm for the other four, etc. Only two oils killed Pseudomonas aeruginosa: rosemary (ZI=8.6 mm) and oregano (ZI=12.0 mm).7
 
Stiles and colleagues used both agar diffusion and the serial broth dilution techniques to measure oregano oil s activity against Candida albicans, the cause of the  yeast syndrome.  Oregano oil was compared to Nystatin and Ca/Mg caprylate, two common Candida treatments. At a concentration of just 0.91 mcg/ml (about 1 part/million), oregano oil had the same ZI as Nystatin: 22-25 mm. At 1.82 mcg/ml (about 2 parts/million), oregano oil had a ZI of 40-45 mm.
 
Using the broth dilution technique to measure the quantity needed to kill 99.9 percent of the Candida, it took 45 mcg/ml of oregano oil, but 5,000 mcg/ml of the Ca/Mg caprylate.8
 
Manohar and coworkers tested oregano oil against Candida both in vitro and in vivo. Using the broth dilution technique, it took just 0.25 mg/ml (about 250 parts/million) to completely kill Candida, and 0.125 mg/ml to prevent the germ tube formation and mycelial filament elongation necessary to cause Candida tissue invasion.
 
Groups of six mice were injected with 12.5 million live Candida cells. All of the control group, which received no antimicrobial, was dead within ten days. Six groups of mice were force-fed oregano oil dissolved in olive oil at a dose from 8.66 to 52 mg/kg of bodyweight. Five of six survived 30 days (when the experiment was terminated) with 8.66 mg/kg, while all of the other groups survived 30 days.3
 
Force and colleagues gave 600 mg emulsified oregano oil for six weeks to 13 adults who had tested positive for intestinal parasites (Entamoeba, Endolinax, or Blastocystis). Parasites could no longer be detected in 10 of the 13 after the treatment. The parasite score (parasites counted under a microscope) decreased for the other three.
 
Seven of the eight who had originally tested positive for Blastocystis hominis reported significant improvement of their symptoms, such as bloating, GI cramping, alternating diarrhea and constipation, and fatigue.9 Oregano is GRAS (generally regarded as safe), but the oil should be used with caution, as it can be irritating to the mucous membranes. It should be taken with food, partway through a meal, not on an empty stomach.
 
Oregano oil may trigger the  die-off  phenomenon in those suffering intestinal candidiasis or other intestinal microbial infestation due to its powerful germ-killing action. See reference   for more detail on the  die-off. 
In an age when  food poisoning  sickens or kills many thousands annually, oil of oregano taken with meals may be the best preventative.
 
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References:
1. Ingram, C. The Cure is in the Cupboard. Buffalo Grove, IL:Knowledge House, 2001.
2. Crook, W. The Yeast Connection and Women s Health. Jackson, TN: Professional Books, 2003.
3. Manohar, V. et al.  Antifungal activities of origanum oil against Candida albicans.  Mol Cell Biochem, 2001, 228: 111-17.
4. Maruzzella, J. & Lichtenstein, M.  The in vitro antibacterial activity of essential oils.  J Am Pharm Assoc, 1956, 47: 250 ff.
5. Hammer, K. et al.  Antimicrobial activity of essential oils and other plant extracts . J Appl Microbial, 1999, 86:985-90.
6.Tantatoui-Elaraki, A and Beraoud, L.  Inhibition of growth and aflatoxin production in Aspergillus parasiticus by essential oils of selected plant materials.  J Environ Path Toxicol Oncol, 1994, 13: 67-72.
7. Baratta, M.T. et al.  Chemical composition, antimicrobial and antioxidative activity of laurel, sage rosemary, oregano and coriander essential oils.  J Essent Oil Res, 1998, 10:618-27.
8. Stiles, J. et al.  The inhibition of Candida albicans by oregano . J Appl Nutr, 1995, 47:96-102.
9. Force, M. et al.  Inhibition of enteric parasites by emulsified oil of oregano in vivo . Phytother Res, 2000, 14:213-14.
10. Knobloch, K. et al.  Antibacterial and antifungal properties of essential oil components.  J Essent Oil Res, 1989, 1:119-28.
11. Conner, D. & Beuchat, L.  Effects of essential oils from plants on growth of food spoilage yeasts.  J Food Sci, 1984, 49:429-34.
 
 
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First H5N1 is a virus, antibiotics are not effective for a virus. The only use in a pandemic wouild be for a secondary infection.
The best thing you can do to protect your children is isolate them and yourself at home. No exposer = no disease. This virus is very nasty a large number [over 50% ] of children who get this virus die with hospital treatment.
 
Any home treatment is going to be comfort only homopathic remidies are not going to change the outcome Im afraid - frankly the best medicine can offer is pretty useless.
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yes, that's true many died of the secondary infections...so it's important to have something about the house for those.  Antibiotics... can we get our doctors to give them out?

As we read here on the board many people will feel the need to work to have a paycheck coming in.  And don't have the luxury of isolation.  Those are people I think about a lot.
 
As far as Homeopathy.. the Homeopaths had pretty good results with patients.  the percentages are out there.  I guess I will get some Homeopathic remedies just in case. Smile
 
 
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my point is that this virus is so bad that anything you do to treat it is really spitting in the wind. Your best course of action is to make sure the person is as comfortable as possible and keep them hydrated.  Secondary infections are not going to be much of an issue IMO your going to die well before a secondary infection will get you. If you do survive the best treatment for a secondary bacterial pneumonia is to cough deep breath and get the person up and moving - this prevents pneumonia. Wasnt it Ben Franklin said an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
 
As far as some one working because they need the paycheck my opinion is that if your dead your not gonna have a paycheck anyway. Plus you risk infecting your children, Nothing I posses is worth dying for  or risking my children dying for. Thinking outside of the box for creative solutions might be a better idea. What about moving in with family -riding this out together pool available resources.  Two families running one house expences is better than being separate and paying double rent and utilities.
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"best treatment for a secondary bacterial pneumonia"
 
Some have suggested getting a pneumonia vaccine.
Will they give this vaccine to younger people?
 
"your going to die well before a secondary infection will get you
 
Hug where is this optimisim coming from?
 
True about the paycheck thing... we are so programed to show up for work, and those masks are protection along with good hand washing, wiping down surfaces.  Not.
 
I see they toss in the antibiotics (below) to cover any bacterial bugs
roaming... So people might take them at onset of a high fever?  When is a good time to begin... I'll ask my Doc.
 
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excuse if this has been posted already.
 
 
Influenza: January 2006
Posted 01/04/2006
John G. Bartlett, MD 

Recent Data on Influenza

Avian Influenza

Beigel JH, Farrar J, Han AM, et al; Writing Committee of the World Health Organization (WHO) Consultation on Human Influenza A/H5. Avian influenza A (H5N1) infection in humans. N Engl J Med. 2005;353:1374-1385. The Writing Committee of the World Health Organization (WHO) Consultation on Human Influenza A/H5 has provided the following review of this virus.

Incidence: Table 1 is a summary of cases of avian influenza A (H5N1), which reflects data through May 2005. An updated version through December 1 is provided by the reviewer. Cases in humans reflect outbreaks of avian epidemics in 2004 and 2005; this region of avian cases (poultry) has subsequently expanded to Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Russia, Turkey, and Greece, but there have been no human cases in these more recent countries.

Transmission: Human influenza is transmitted by infectious droplets and droplet nuclei and by direct contact. With bird-human transmission, the defined risks are exposure to ill poultry and butchering of birds or other close contact with birds in at least 80% of cases. Most important is the issue of human-human transmission, which has been suggested in several household clusters, but in only 1 well-verified case report,[1] and there are no cases of transmission by small-particle aerosol. Serologic testing of approximately 550 healthcare workers who are responsible for the care of patients with avian influenza and household contacts of these cases showed positive results in 15.

Clinical features: A summary is provided for 59 cases. The typical case is a previously healthy child or young adult who has exposure to sick poultry, develops the onset of flulike illness at a median incubation period of 4 days, develops typical symptoms of influenza but with a relatively high frequency of diarrhea and infrequent pharyngitis, quickly develops acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), and dies on illness day 8. Specifics are given in Table 2 .

Diagnosis: The diagnosis is confirmed by viral isolation, detection of H5-specific RNA with pharyngeal specimens (throat swabs), or serology.

Management: Most of the patients required ventilatory support within 48 hours of admission and care in the intensive care unit for multiorgan failure. Routine treatment included broad-spectrum antibiotics, antiviral agents, and often corticosteroids. The mortality rate was 76% among 25 patients who were given oseltamivir and 75% in 12 patients who did not receive this drug. It is noted that the virus could generally not be cultivated within 2-3 days of oseltamivir, but there was clinical progression anyway. There was no evidence of response to corticosteroids.

Pathogenesis: Studies of the initial clinical isolates of H5N1 in Hong Kong, China, in 1997 showed that this strain has a substitution in the polymerase basic protein 2, which enhances replication, and a substitution in nonstructural protein 1, which increases resistance to inhibition by interferons and tumor necrosis factor (TNF) plus increased production of cytokines, including TNF. These strains have enhanced pathogenicity in mice and ferrets. Further mutations have occurred since these earlier studies that have altered receptor binding. The high frequency of diarrhea suggests that the virus may replicate in the gastrointestinal tract, and 1 autopsy study confirms this finding.[2] Further, the virus has been found in the blood, cerebrospinal fluid, and stool of 1 patient.[3] Patients who expire have elevated levels of inflammatory mediators, including interleukin (IL)-6, IL-8, and IL-1B. There are limited autopsy studies, but these show bindings that are consistent with previous reports of lethal influenza: alveolar spaces filled with fibrinous exudate, red cells, hyaline-membrane formation, and lymphocytic infiltrate.

Management recommendations:

  • Case detection: The recommended diagnostic tests for early detection include a positive viral culture, positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for H5N1, and positive immunofluorescence antigen assay for H5; for later confirmation the recommendation is serology, which does show a 4-fold increase in H5-specific antibody.

  • Antiviral agents: The recommendation is early therapy with oseltamivir, possibly with a higher than standard dose (75-150 mg twice daily for 7-10 days). For strains with the H274T mutation, the recommendation is for zanamivir. Interferon-alfa has some of the right properties, but has never been used.

  • Steroids: In a randomized trial in Vietnam, 4 of 4 patients who were given dexamethasone died.

  • Prevention: The initial H5 vaccines are poorly immunogenic and require 2 doses or adjuvant, or both. Several candidate vaccines are under investigation, including one that appears to be immunogenic at high doses. Live attenuated, cold-adapted intranasal vaccines are also under development.

Table 3 summarizes methods to prevent avian influenza transmission in a nonpandemic setting.

Conclusion: This is an excellent review of this timely topic. Of particular interest are the recommendations for therapy and for prevention that represent the state of the art from the World Health Organization (WHO). The obvious concern with oseltamivir is the fact that it has rarely been given sufficiently early to evaluate response. As noted, there is a sharp drop in cultivable virus when given after pneumonitis. It is quite possible that the "cytokine storm" is the issue that needs to be addressed at this stage. Zanamivir is advocated for oseltamivir-resistant strains. This may work for prevention, but a concern with its use after established disease is the inference that H5N1 replicates in the gastrointestinal tract. Zanamivir is found essentially only in the lungs.

Le QM, Kiso M, Someya K, et al. Avian flu: isolation of drug-resistant H5N1 virus. Nature. 2005;437:1108. This is a case report of a 14-year-old girl from Vietnam with influenza involving a strain of H5N1 that is resistant to oseltamivir.

The patient had cared for her 21-year-old brother who had documented infection with H5N1. She was given a prophylactic dose of oseltamivir (75 mg/day) from February 24 to 27, and then a therapeutic dose for 7 days beginning February 27. A viral isolate obtained on February 28 showed that the strain was highly resistant to oseltamivir with an IC50 exceeding 763 nM. One of the clones proved identical to the brother's strain. This strain, in the patient, showed reduced viral titers compared with oseltamivir-susceptible strains when given to ferrets (P = .0001). This strain was also sensitive to zanamivir in vitro and in vivo in ferrets. The girl was hospitalized, and both she and her brother were discharged, apparently having recovered.

Conclusion: The study authors stress the importance of their observations in terms of the need to monitor drug resistance in H5N1 isolates and the possible need to stockpile zanamivir as well as oseltamivir.

Comment: There are several observations of interest:

  • The 14-year-old girl had no direct contact with poultry, but cared for her brother and had an identical strain suggesting person-person transmission.

  • The patient received suboptimal doses of oseltamivir. Her initial dose was the prophylactic dose of 75 mg/day, but she was already symptomatic at that time. This may account for the emergence of resistance. In fact, some suggest that the optimal treatment dose may actually be 150 mg twice daily for 5-10 days, actually 2 times the current standard dose.[4]

  • The strain was resistant to oseltamivir by the most frequent mechanism, the H274Y mutation, which appears to be a strain having reduced potency and a strain that has good sensitivity to zanamivir.

  • This mutation seems to be associated with reduced replication capacity and reduced infectivity on the basis of in vivo studies in ferrets.

Taubenberger JK, Reid AH, Lourens RM, Wang R, Jin G, Fanning TG. Characterization of the 1918 influenza virus polymerase genes. Nature. 2005;437:889-893. The study authors present an analysis of influenza virus A polymerase from the 1918-1919 strain that was responsible for Spanish influenza. This polymerase functions as a heterotrimer formed by PB2, PB1, and PA proteins thought to be important in viral replication and host interaction, specifically in host specificity. The analysis of the 1918 polymerase genes suggests that this was an avian strain that mutated for mammalian adaptation. This is in contrast to the pandemic strains of 1957 and 1968, which appear to be reassortment viruses. These conclusions are based on 10 amino acid positions out of a total of 2232 codons that consistently distinguish the 1918 strain from subsequent human polymerase proteins at this heterotrimer. The PB2 protein shows 5 changes that distinguish human and avian sequences. H5N1 and H7N7 (the epidemic strain in The Netherlands) are among the few avian strains that showed some of these 5 changes. The study authors concluded that the epidemic strain for the 1957 and 1968 pandemics was avian/human resortants, presumably representing an avian PB1 by reassortment. By contrast, the 1918 strain was an avian virus that adapted to humans. The observation that amino acid changes of the 1918 strain in the heterotrimeric polymerase complex are also found in H5N1 and H7N7 -- both avian viruses that have been fatal to humans -- is an obvious concern.

Influenza Vaccines

Influenza vaccine 2005-2006. The Medical Letter. 2005;47:85. This summarizes the essentials of the influenza vaccine for 2005-2006.

Vaccine formulations: Two formulations in the United States include the inactivated intramuscular vaccine and the live attenuated intranasal vaccine (FluMist). Table 4 provides information on the vaccines that are available in the United States.

Composition: The new component of the 2005-2006 vaccine is the influenza A H3N2 vaccine strain. This component is different for the inactivated and live attenuated vaccines, but is considered equivalent. The specific content is summarized.

The following outlines the vaccine composition:

  • H3N2 (new) A/California/7/2004 (live vaccine)

    • (new) A/New York/55/2004 (inactivated vaccine, but equivalent to A/California/7/2004)

  • H1N1 (same as 2004-05): A/New California/20/99

  • B (same as 2004-05): B/Jiangsu/10/2003.

Recommendations: The optimal time to vaccinate is October or November. When there is a delay (as in this year and last year), the available supply should be used according to the following priority.

Efficacy: Vaccine efficacy for inactivated vaccine for preventing influenza is about 80%; it is less in elderly and varies by year depending on the match between the vaccine strains and the epidemic strain. Protection begins about 2 weeks after the inactivated vaccine and generally persists for 6 months, but only about 4 months in elderly persons. Protection with live vaccine appears to be similar and probably superior for new variants of influenza A H1N1 and for influenza B.

Adverse effects: The relationship between inactivated influenza vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome is controversial. live attenuated intranasal vaccine is generally well tolerated, but there may be mild symptoms of an upper respiratory infection. There is 1 unpublished report of transmission of the live virus vaccine strain. Both live and inactivated vaccines are grown in eggs, so egg hypersensitivity represents a contraindication to either.

Reduced dose: Intradermal administration will presumably reduce the dose to extend the supply.[5] Studies with 20% of the standard dose have been found effective.[6] The reduced dose may be less effective in elderly persons. These studies show immunogenicity, but have not been tested for clinical efficacy.

References

  1. Ungchusak K, Auewarakul P, Dowell SF, et al. Probable person-to-person transmission of avian influenza A (H5N1). N Engl J Med. 2005;352:333-340. Abstract
  2. Uiprasertkul M, Puthavathana P, Sangsiriwut K, et al. Influenza A H5N1 replication sites in humans. Emerg Infect Dis. 2005;11:1036-1041. Abstract
  3. de Jong MD, Bach VC, Phan TQ, et al. Fatal avian influenza A (H5N1) in a child presenting with diarrhea followed by coma. N Engl J Med. 2005;352:686-691. Abstract
  4. Beigel JH, Farrar J, Han AM, et al. Avian influenza A (H5N1) infection in humans. N Engl J Med. 2005;353:1374-1385. Abstract
  5. La Montagne JR, Fauci AS. Intradermal influenza vaccination -- can less be more? N Engl J Med. 2004;351:2330-2332.
  6. Kenney RT, Frech SA, Muenz LR, Villar CP, Glenn GM. Dose sparing with intradermal injection of influenza vaccine. N Engl J Med. 2004;351:2295-2301. Abstract

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Disclosure: John G. Bartlett, MD, has disclosed that he has served on the HIV advisory board for Bristol-Myers Squibb, Abbott, and GlaxoSmithKline.

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Read posts by Frisky (an MD who posts on this forum) and has listed needed meds and potential complications.  To find old posts:  go to top right, hit search, type in frisky under username, hit search.  All the old posts will come up.  Do the same thing for Dr. Grattan Woodson, and you will find an incredible article he wrote to keep people alive that have influenza.  Hope this helps--let us all know.  Don't be overwhelmed--we were all in the same boat at one point or another.  Just let it spur you on to action.  Good luck. 
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Thank you!  I also wanted to let you and everyone else know that ephedrine will definately come in handy for many reasons if you are able to get your hands on some... my state will only let you buy two packets of 6 tablets at a time. It is and expectorant and a broncolator... very important if asthma meds are no where to be found ( electric is off and inhalers run out-we will probably  be double dosing the kids and ourselves with the inhalers to get even a little oxygen after the steroids are gone- we may run out) ( people who don't normally have asthma may end up with it, etc)
 
Also get battery operated nebs... I have only one so far...it does have to be charged, but we could save it for last.
 
Any way the ephedrine really does work,,, I have used it before when nothing else was avaiable to me out of desperation,,, thank God I have the experience,,,
 I suggest that the adults of children get some and try it so that you know what it does to you... I do not recommend using more than one tablet in a 4 hour period for adults or you will get the side effects like speed... it does increase your heart rate...if you have never used it try a quarter of a tab to not more than a half of a tablet... you can breathe alot easier, you have energy enough say  so that you could manage feeding yourself and your family if you do have the flu  ( so you don't die of starvation because you are weak) - I have to stay awake in the event that my children get fevers - seizures-  and I read recently in a very old medical book that should your heart begin to fill up with blood as is what can happen with serious complications you would need a stimulant to get you left ventricle of your heart pumping mor efficently so as to get the pooled blood pumped out...
 
Please don't give an older child more than a quarter of a tab- this is worse case scenario people---
 
scary stuff... I apologize if its digging into some of the things that are hard to talk about!
I appreciate all the advice and suggestions from everyone...God's will! His will is our will because he loves us so  much... and I pray that His will is that all of you and your's will get through this,,, In the name of Jesus .... Amen!
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Thank you pugmom! I appreciate your help! I will let you know... Please keep a watch for some info I have to share from studing in older books... I'm not ready yet to post but will try to ASAP!!! Thank you Thank you!!!!
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BRAIN STORMING TODAY-SORRY!!!
EVERYONE!!!!  New idea? I watched the video section of the forum today... please do it if you haven't... "PREPARED AND PROTECTED"
I have some clear tote bags from a dollar store,,, I am putting together INFECTION CONTROL KITS FOR THE CARS AND HOME FOR EACH FAMILY MEMBER YOUNG AND OLD... WHEN IT HITS YOU'LL HAVE PROTECTIVE GEAR TO GET YOU HOME ETC. THAN ISOLATE!?
 Do fire drills but have infection control drills with your significant others and children ( extended family members not on the forum need to know)... It makes me feel like we do have some control beyond stocking up on supplies... what do you think? Any thing to add?Smile We can do it!!!
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Originally posted by figure'n it out figure'n it out wrote:

scary stuff... I apologize if its digging into some of the things that are hard to talk about!
 
Are you kidding? This is THE place to discuss such matters. Where else can we go to accumilate so much relative info?
 
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Thanks Janetn and May.  I agree.  But I fear what May said might apply to my children and they might not suss in time that you have to break this mould or die.  That they will get it, but too late to reach safety.  Beth.
 
"As far as some one working because they need the paycheck my opinion is that if your dead your not gonna have a paycheck anyway. Plus you risk infecting your children, Nothing I posses is worth dying for  or risking my children dying for. Thinking outside of the box for creative solutions might be a better idea. "
 
 
 
"True about the paycheck thing... we are so programed to show up for work"
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By definition, most people are normal. By implication, normality is defined by the herd. By reasoning, most people will work until most people don't, by which time it will probably be far too late.

Parents wishing to protect their adult children face will need to provide some sort of quarantine system for the latecomers or risk the entire family.

The alternative is the ultimate horror of having to balance the life of one child against the life of another. This is a decision that no parent should need to face.

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Well put Scotty...  We have to be firm with the young adults in our families about isolation.  What a hard thing to do, but staying alive and well is best.    "...system for the latecomers ..." can you elaborate?  I heard about
negative pressure room?  Is that...putting a fan in the window (facing the out of doors) of the latecomers room?  Or is it something more complicated?
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The negative pressure theory requires a supply of sterile air equal to the air that you extract. It is, for most people, technically impossible to sustain. I face the possibility that my two adult children will descend upon me needing food, shelter and whatever else. I will not allow them into the house until they have quarantined in the garage for at least twenty one days. I will supply them with food, water and whatever else they need to survive but they will need to face three weeks of misery before I allow them in.

This will distress me greatly but it is what I will do. Not everyone is able to do this and I know of at least one member who is facing what appears to be a reckless gamble with no alternative in sight.

I don't like dwelling too much on the horror movie aspect of this pandemic and I'm hoping that it is not as bad as we anticipate.
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Good Idea...  no dwelling.  I read Barry's book and after a lot of tea, I'm recovering. 
 
I'm hoping "it" will weaken from the sheer enormity of the world's populace by the time it reaches us, one plus for our size since 1918.
 
I would do the same...  but the 500 miles may keep them from joining us.
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Scotty Two children, one garage.  What if they catch it from each other? 
 
I'm thinking in terms of keeping latecomers in separate rooms. Not letting them into the landings etc.  Hanging sheets over the doorways as well as closing doors. Not everyone will be late.
I have one room which has an extractor fan, blowing the air outside.  Its obviously not a negative pressure room, but the air would be drawn from inside the house, (possibly with other windows open).  So I would hope much of the infected air would be sucked out.  Do you think this would work?  If so it would be relatively easy to fist similar fans in other rooms.
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beth,
 
Your suggestion is what Ill be implementing. We have a split design home. The east side has two bedrooms and a bath. All three rooms will have an exhaust fan aimed out the windows. The hallway from the living room will be our 'barrier' if needed.
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This was in the news yesterday:
 
Quote Japan's Sanyo Electric Co. has said that one of its filtering systems had been shown in tests to be effective in suppressing airborne bird flu viruses.
 
Air infected with the H5 type of avian influenza virus was forced through the system's honeycomb-shaped disinfectant filter impregnated with electrolyzed water containing a type of chlorine.
 
Measurements of the filtered air found that at least 99% of the viruses were suppressed, Sanyo announced at a press conference.
 
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A different system that sprays a fine mist of the electrolyzed water onto a cotton swab infused with the viruses also rendered 99 percent or more of the viruses inactive, the company said.
 
The technology, developed in collaboration with scientists at Tottori University, can rapidly disinfect a large room, Sanyo said. It is already used in some products such as air purifiers and washing machines.
 
 
 
Unfortunately, the article doesn't give more specifics.
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You will have to read a lot or ask medical friends a lot.  Some of the tips here are unrealistic or more panicky than needed.  If you can get a couple months (at least) supply of your usual meds, and a longer stock of food and water and rehydration meds and other common medicines like for colds, there is a decent chance that when pandemic hit your community, you could get your family inside before they were exposed, and last out the first wave of the pandemic. 
Ask your pediatrician about pneumococcal vaccine,  It only protects against some bacterial pneumonias, not any viral pneumonias, but that is better than none.  Some kids are routinely given this.  Kids did not die in grat numbers during the 1918 pandemic, of course your kids are not as healthy as most, and who knows what this next pandemic will be like.
Be careful about mixing western medicine and herbal or other "natural" substances.  It is possible to have side effects, so find out what you can about new things you think you might use.  There are resources for looking up what herbals etc. can be used without harm with medicines.  At least one source says don't give ephedra to children http://www.supplementquality.com/news/ABC_ephedra_monograph.html
 
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Chrystle, I think this is the booklet by  Dr. Woodson you're looking for:

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Originally posted by Irene Irene wrote:

Chrystle, I think this is the booklet by  Dr. Woodson you're looking for:

Yes, thank you very much for posting the link, Irene.  I had it on a comp, but had changed it from a pdf file to a MSWord document file and something happened that made the second half of it unreadable.  I noticed it when I went to post Woodson's article in the Utah State forum a few hours ago as a complete text.
I consider this article to be a must read.  I saved it to two comps this time and printed out a couple of copies.


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