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halogen601
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Posted: January 22 2006 at 7:13am |
Is anyone experiencing excessive delays with receiving their nanomask orders from Oregon Digital? I placed two orders back in October and have had to constantly e-mail copies of my Paypal receipt. I finally received one order in late December but feel that I'm going to have to prove myself again and go through the same arduous routine for the second order. Did anyone order from the other distributors?
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I have heard via the grapevine that they are months behind. BTW: Have you tested the fit to your face? Have also heard there are issues with getting a good/secure fit. |
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Hi SophiaZoe, I did indeed try a Nanomask on and thought I was just inexperienced. I did have to adjust the straps frequently but was able to achieve a secure fit even though I had to thread the top strap and park it on top of my head to provide the leverage to get a proper seal. The plastic cords have to be extremely tight and are uncomfortable if they press over your ears. One has to exercise caution when tightening the straps as they may break from the clasps if pulled too tight. I bought some N95 (3M 9211) masks as well and have a feeling I will be wearing these over the Nanomasks in an emergency because of the practicality and comfort level.
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Halogen, glad to hear you have the 3M's. I also brought in a gross of the 9211. Also 2 boxes of 50 each procedure masks in case there are situations where some protection might be a good idea, but full on 9211's might not be called for. Or to hand out for anyone who missed the boat on masks. My 9211's are some of my most prized possessions at this point in time. I can remember when that position was taken by something with sentimental value. |
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AnitaRNpulmo
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Nanomasks are not certified and are built after an old design (plastic
body) for common dust masks, as sold by Black and Decker since 70s -
useful only for some coarse dusts with tools ...
You better need a N100 respirator, and have to check the perfect fit, either they are useless; besides you need good goggles, or can turn to half masks/full face, more efficient and cheaper for a long period. Remember you have to train donning, wearing (for extended period) and putting off your gear. Please ask more if you wish ! Anita RN pulm nurse |
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AnitaRN, Thanks for posting about the goggles! It doesn't get mentioned enough. |
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halogen601
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Thanks Anita. So are the Nanomasks not useful in terms of any protection besides dust? Was the maximum protection from the "nano coating" just an impression created through their advertising? Now, I'm wondering if I should rethink my ratio of mask types in my flu prep box and get back to basics.
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AnitaRN was correct about the Nanomask not being NIOSH approved. Beyond that I only know what has been said anecdotally about them. While Anita's position is that of a healthcare professional and justifiably concerned with MAXIMUM protection in an up close and personal exposure to an H5N1 patient, I would question the need for an average Joe citizen needing that level of protection. Now, granted some want to ensure as close to zero risk as can be managed, but if you are quarantining you & yours the high end P100 masks or full face respirators may not be required and the money more usefully spent of food items. Of course that is just my opinion, worth less than you paid for it. Some protection is better than no protection and the most protection is best of all. It's just needs vs perceived needs vs money to spend. These three items don't always line up in accordance with each other. |
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AnitaRNpulmo
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I dont say that nanomasks are against dust, what I say is that 1) the
design and concept of the mask itself is not secure 2) I am very
sceptic about the nano technology - 3) the design of the mask let the
filter too close from the mouth nose, after whatI have seen.
Before buying masks, all of you have to set when, how long and where you will have to use them [at home for nursing a family member, out in town for buying food or common activities, at job place for a full day ...], and then choose the appropriate protection. Sophia is right, there is a difference between caring a suspect or effective patient, being in close contact in public places, and other situations. But the SARS experience in Toronto is a good reference. Either if we had no cases in France (excepted two from air travelling people), the experience of airport employees having to wear masks is too a refernce for me ... I shall post later about these experiences ... Besides the shortage of protection was a problem in HK and even Toronto ... and SARS was a little affair, not a pandemic ! Remember that many people had to put on up to 3 layers of surg masks to get protected (and this even among healthcare staffs!) - and people in HK turn to bra cups to get some protection. A full protection is in fact less expensive for an extended epidemic situation than many disposable N95 or more half masks ... Anita |
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I purchased my nanomasks from www.birdfluprotection.com, has anyone
else heard of this site? How many filters shoud one have for a
family of three?
Are there better masks to have? I'm not sure my daughter could wear a respirator. Comments please. |
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Trigger, I haven't done business with the site you posted, perhaps someone else has. Masks for children is a HUGE issue. I can only suggest you Google "N95 Child Mask" it pulls up stuff, don't know what you are aiming at so I will just leave it at that. Quantity is dependant on your outside exposure or exposure to someone who is coming in from outside. Are you going to be employed well into the pandemic? Many of us won't be so our mask needs would be less than someone who will be out and about on a regular basis. Sorry, no help, only more questions. |
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AnitaRNpulmo
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Hi Trigger I am not at all convinced by nanomasks; worlwide, they are unknown ... not 3M or other main brands... I have told in previous posts what seems wrong to me in these products - expensive anyway if you buy many filters !!! Best disposable masks are N99 or N100 of most known brands; they are very similar in filtration and design. You dont tell when or where you project to use these masks - this can make a big difference ! How old is your daughter ? A child can wear a respirator if it fits well and has valves; before 3-4 years, you need the special hoods with PAPR ventilation (as for the Israeli citizens). More expensive but the safest. |
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Fortuitous timing... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=560&Obj ectID=10364914 Masks at frontline of defence 23.01.06 Face masks are expected to form a key defence against the spread of a bird flu pandemic, although uncertainties remain about their use. |
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Rocky
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Hello everyone,
With the loss of the topic thread comncerning masks, my post disappeared along with all the other information. I feel obligated to let you know that we are shipping masks (and indeed have a supply in our warehouse at this moment). I am not intending to use this very valuable forum as a way to advertise, but people are asking for sources of good masks and we do have them, at least for now. We make very little on these masks and I don't know how long we will be able to keep getting them from our manufacturer, but here is the information. Please don't criticize me for posting this since I am not doing it as an financial venture but as a possible help to those who have wanted this information. I will give you some of the details regarding the mask (more can be found on our website), then you can go to our site and look for yourself. Our company offers items for home, work, family emergencies, not pandemics or terror attacks! But we did want to have available one good mask. We are a small family company with very narrow profit margins and rely on computer/electricity, etc. So we will be out of work, just like everyone else, if the S**T hits the fan. I pray not. I must add that I have ordered online from another source some isolation gowns, goggles, hair covering, gloves, shoe covers. If I am caring for an ill person I have no idea if those items will help or not. Also, due to financial constrictions, am trying NOT to get things that have no use, other than in a pandemic. But I felt the items above were an exception. *+*+*+**+**+ "With flu season arriving and the much talked about threat of a bird flu pandemic, we have added the best anti-microbe respirator available, the Triosyn T-3000 shown here. It is a P95 face mask that helps protect against bacteria, spores, and viruses. Equally important, no emergency plan can be complete without a good first aid kit. We have featured in this category three of the most popular kits from Mayday Industries, a leading provider of emergency first aid kits. First Aid & Survival Kits Approved by NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, part of the Center for Disease Control) as a P95 mask, the Triosyn T-3000™ has the scientifically proven ability throughout its effective life to trap biological agents with the exclusive anti-microbial action of Triosyn T50® powder (registered with the EPA). The CDC recommends a N95 or better mask for anyone exposed to infectious disease; the Triosyn T-3000 is the ‘or better' mask. With its higher ‘P95’ designation, the Triosyn has more effective filtration with neither the aerosol-use nor time-use limitations of the N95......" www.homeemergencyusa.com or www. rockbottomcompany.com Rocky |
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What is the difference between an N95 mask with a valve and without a valve? |
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Rocky, THANKS!!! I was hoping you would jump into this. You aren't "out of line"...we need help with this issue. I would appreciate any and all pertinent information and help you could/would provide. And even though you sell masks you provide general information & not with the purpose of "selling" us. I greatly appreciate your participation! You are a Gentleman dealing with a touchy issue. |
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ps, I moved your post because I thought it might provide greater benefit here. Hope you don't mind. Debi |
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Halogen601... Yes! And More! You should consider cancellation of your order with Oregon and obtain masks from other distributors. Yes, I have used other distributors and received excellent service and delivery. My order had been placed with Oregon Digital in mid October. Nothing but stall. Finally received a refund after complaints to Pay Pal (do not take "NO" as answer from them since it might be over 45 days). Also the Dept.of Justice and the BBB in Oregon. Do not place all eggs in one basket with these masks...get a variety. Good Luck ! |
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Rocky
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I believe I read (I am sorry I can't retrace my steps to find the article) that
the difference between mask respirator with valve(s) and without are: 1. possibly keeps fogging of glasses/goggles to a minimum (but with a good fit you shouldn't have fogging) 2. easier to exhale However, I stayed away from them because since the airtight properties and the fit is so important, I didn't want to compromise the effectiveness of the mask in any way. I also purchased some layered surgical masks (altho' there are people who would argue that the amount of layers makes no difference). These would be used in places of lesser contamination and mostly as a courtesy to others, rather than protection to the wearer. Please correct me if my memory didn't serve me well re. pros and cons of valves. Hope my information is correct. One last thought: surgical masks are NOT respirator masks. They are certainly cheaper, but their purposes are very different from a good respirator mask. Rocky |
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I was hoping someone could help me out on a few things. I am purchasing
my masks and such withing the next 24 hours or so, and I want to make
sure I purchase the correct items.
Could someone please tell me which face masks I will need to purchase. I have seen on this site a couple different models/types listed, so I am a bit confused. Also, if anyone has recommendations as to what to use for small children (4 and 6), that would be a great help as well. Also, I have seen quite a bit of posting about goggles. Could someone please point me in the direction of what I should be purchasing? Do I want Chemical splash goggles, or another type? The gloves I already have..just plain old latex. Is this correct? Is there anything else I should be purchasing along those lines? Has anyone bought shoe covers, or gowns, or hair caps? Thanks in advance! |
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look around in this site and read some info.. http://www.bird-flu-influenza.com/how-to-survive-bird-flu.ht m
I have purchased swimming goggles from the dollar store..inexpensive and all the articals I have read so far say they are ok...masks best are n-95..I am using painters masks and will be making coves for our noses and faces... |
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halogen601
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Thanks Lancer. I did place orders with 2H and Bird Flu Protection (Reynolds) and even though delayed, they kept me up on the progress through e-mails and I eventually received my orders. I heeded your advice and ordered other N95 varieties.
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Rocky
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Dear Tired and muskrat,
Please look at this forum: go to the Pandemic Survival Tips and Find Nanomask: Oregon Digital. Look for the latest postings (at the bottom of the page). There is some detailed info re respirator masks, etc. Also, I don't know if swimming goggles would do the job. Does anyone else have a clue? I know you can get proper protective eyewear at: http://www.allheart.com/protectiveeyewear.html I opted for Work Unisex Wrap Around Safety Glass (clear) for $10. Hope this helps. Rocky PS. Perhaps this topic could be moved to a better place? |
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bruss01
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Health professionals are recommending N95 rated masks. The mask doesn't necessarily need to filter out particles as small as the virus - the virus will not likely be floating around "free", but will be carried on microscopic droplets of moisture expelled by people who cough or sneeze. It's these fine, mist-like droplets that are filtered out. That probably removes 99% of your worries right there. Some people have expressed concern that the nanomasks will get full too quickly, or too wet from breath condensation. I've never used them so I can't comment personally. I have two types of N95 mask, one with a breath valve and one without. The valve version is for a healthy person who must wear it all day (such as me at work). The full version is for a sick person who must be tended at home, since it filters their exhaled breath and protects everyone else in the household. Or for occasional/brief usage by healthy individuals. The valve helps keep the mask from getting too hot and humid from exhaled breath. |
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got bird flu discussion and then got 2 two months into a pandemic 4 some help on certain things................
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i'm soory 4 what i've did and 2 say i love everybody n the world............
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goggles wont help u need a gas mask if u go outside,body suits,gloves,
latex is'nt the best i heard get thicker glovers like rubber nano mask i heard waz good but me i got body duits with the head being covered things that u know u can't live without having like food,water,light,candels,clothes,etc............. |
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make your peace now with people u love or know |
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I have 4 and 6 year old children as well. I bought the small sized CFR-1 mask for them from here: http://store.internationalsafetyusa.com/disposable.html They are N95 masks that seal around a childs face like a nano mask does. The mask is on the lower left and the replacement filters are 2nd down on the right. They are very reasonably priced and they came quickly. DO NOT purchase nano masks from Oregon Digital. I've seen too many posts about people asking why they havent gotten their masks. They are so backlogged as to be unreliable. Apparently refunds are harder to get than your order. I got my nano masks from www.2Hdistributors.com. I went with the 2 mask combo deal and I think you get more filters in the order anyway. They also came pretty quickly.
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This morning I purchased 1 box of 20 - 3M 8110 N95 Particulate Respirators (size small) - $16 USD 1 box of 20 - 3M 8210 N95 General Use Particulate Respirators (size regular) - $13.75 USD Priority Shipping - Approx $4. By the afernoon, the product had been shipped and I received a tracking number to track my package via USPS. Also, their representative responded to an email question I had asked within 20 minutes. Great Service. http://store.pksafety.net/dustmasks.html
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Here is where you can get Nano masks cheap with free shipping I ordered from them and they are great! Any mask that has a paper or cloth seal cannot completely seal around your face. The silicone seal around the Nano mask is by far superior to any other mask! Military approved gas masks do not have a cloth seal!!! they are silicone THINK about it people! I have worn $300 swat team/ Military gas masks they are silicone. Ask swankyc about what he wore in the Marines for NBC (Nuclear Biological Chemical) masks! Buy what you want use what you want just remember don't save a buck to loose your life!
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jackson
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Can anyone explain to me a little more about the face
masks/respirators? I understand the difference between N95 and N100,
but I don't really understand the numbers that come after (ex. 8322,
9211,8210, etc..)
Does it matter which number you get as long as you get at least N95 for your mask??? |
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I ordered 10 nano mask from from Oregon Digital the 1st of Oct. I recieved One last week. So now i will be buyin something different.
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AnitaRNpulmo
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Hi Jackson I shall post everything aboiut these codes in my site http://avianflu-personal-protection.blogspot.com/.
N95/N99/N100 or P100 are norms, the other numbers are serial numbers for lineof product, differ from one brand to another. Anita |
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Thank you so much Anita. A few months ago, I purchased a few masks
(N100, 8322-- i believe--- at the time, i didn't know what kind of
purchase so I just picked one type). i have since realized that I
didn't have nearly enough masks and I really believe that having masks
and other protective gear will help to greatly reduce our chances of
infection.
After reading posts on this site, I thougth I would be N95 masks but when I went online I had NO idea which to buy! I saw 8211, 8210, etc.. and I didn't know which kind was best.. I went to your website and learned a lot. Thanks for much for your help. Your website is great. It's very informative and has helped answer my questions!!! Millie Jackson |
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Hi Jackson please notice that I have not uploaded all page, I have to upload the healtvareparticulate, the gogles, the rubber alf and full face masks, the canistersn the hoods, the PAPR, and leaflets about using .... A lot to be done on adaily basis. So check everyday !
You will fin a lot too in posts by PirateGrl to this forum |
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jackson
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Thanks, I will check back again soon. I didn't really understand much
about the N95 masks, but the pictures on your site helped. The
websites I looked at for ordering the masks all showed pictures, so i
thought that was great that you posted pictures as well as
descriptions. I found a few websites that gave recommendations
(such as what masks would be bests for people with smaller faces, such
as children, which have those exhalation values, etc) and I've used
that info, plus the info on your site, to decide which masks to
buy.
I have not gotten any googles yet, other that the ordinary kind for things like chemical splashes, so i will definitely look at your website when you upload info about googles and other protective equipment. thanks again! millie jackson |
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Available for IMMEDIATE delivery!
HI again, my hubby and I both tested our Triosyn T-3000™ masks for fit, ease of putting on, and wearing comfort. We felt we got a good seal for both of our facial configurations. They were comfortable and quite easy to breath through, tho as with any mask, it feels good when you take it off if you have been wearing it quite a while. I was wearing regular glasses at the time and they did not fog up at all. With the tight fit of goggles I can't imagine there would be a fogging problem. Here is some info regarding the masks: "Approved by NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, part of the Center for Disease Control) as a P95 mask, the Triosyn T-3000™ has the scientifically proven ability throughout its effective life to trap biological agents with the exclusive anti-microbial action of Triosyn T50® powder (registered with the EPA)...With its higher ‘P95’ designation, the Triosyn has more effective filtration, with neither the aerosol-use nor time-use limitations of the N95." NIOSH approved P95 Particulate Respirator Antimicrobial product protection Consistent and reliable performance Carbon layer for relief against nuisance levels of organic vapors Fluid-resistant outer layer Secure, comfortable fit w/padding, adjustable nose bridge, low breathing resistance Flatfold design for easy storage At extremely high levels of bacteria and viruses, will perform for a full 8 hours 4 year effective life in the sealed pouch; 8 hrs out of the pouch Caution: This product contains iodine and should not be used by anyone allergic or sensitive to iodine, or by anyone pregnant or with a thyroid condition. All instructions for the use and limitations of the Triosyn T-3000™ Respirator should be carefully read and understood by the wearer prior to use. NOTE: Sold in a box of 10, these T-3000 respirators are individually packaged in sealed foil pouches. (Color may vary, blue or grey.) Can be purchased, with immediate delivery, at: http://www.homeemergencyusa.com OR http://www.rockbottomcompany.com Sure hope this is helpful information. Rocky |
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