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Passengers on flight from Middle East sought after patient diagnosed with deadly camel flu in Leeds
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The virus that causes MERS can be spread when someone is in close contact with a patient for a sustained period of time CREDIT: SCIENCE HISTORY IMAGES/ALAMY

Laura Donnelly, health editor
23 AUGUST 2018 • 12:36PM
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A man has been diagnosed with the deadly Middle East Respiratory Syndrome in England - the first such diagnosis in this country since 2013.

Health officials said the case involves a patient who was initially admitted to a hospital in Leeds before being transferred to Royal Liverpool Hospital, which treats respiratory infectious diseases.

The man is believed to have fallen ill after flying to Britain from the Middle East, where he lives.

Officials are now attempting to contact a number of passengers who sat near the man on his flight to the UK.

Public Health England (PHE) said the risk of transmission to the general population from this case is very low.

Typically MERS symptoms include fever, cough and shortness of breath. Around a third of reported patients with MERS worldwide have died.

People without symptoms are not considered infectious but, as a precaution, those who have been in close proximity will be contacted and monitored to ensure that if they do become unwell they can be treated quickly, officials said.

The virus has been dubbed "camel flu" because of evidence that humans could contract it from infected camels. However, there are concerns that it can also be spread betwen humans and via airborne transmission.

Public Health England is following up those who have had close and sustained contact with the patient to offer advice and to monitor them as necessary
Dr Jenny Harries
MERS-CoV (the virus that causes MERS) can be spread when someone is in close contact with a patient for a sustained period of time, officials said. They said this means there is a very low risk to the general population of becoming ill.

PHE said: "As a precautionary measure, PHE experts are working closely with NHS colleagues to advise them on infection control measures. They will be contacting people who might have been in close contact with the individual to monitor their symptoms and provide health advice. This will include contacting a number of passengers who travelled in close proximity to the patient on the same flight to the UK.

Dr Jenny Harries, Deputy Medical Director at Public Health England, said: “A patient in hospital in Liverpool is being treated for Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (Mers-CoV) infection. The patient is thought to have contracted the infection whilst in the Middle East before travelling to the UK.

"Public Health England is following up those who have had close and sustained contact with the patient to offer advice and to monitor them as necessary.

“It is important to emphasise that although a case has been identified, the overall risk of disease transmission to the public is very low.

“As we’ve seen in previous cases, we have well established and robust infection control procedures for dealing with cases of imported infectious disease and these will be strictly followed to minimise the risk of transmission.”


PHE said those who show symptoms of MERS after travelling to the Middle East, should contact health services through the usual routes – by calling their GP or NHS 111.

Healthcare professionals are advised to remain vigilant for severe unexplained respiratory illness occurring in anyone who has recently travelled in to the UK from the Middle East, particularly in light of increased travel associated with the Hajj.

First identified in Saudi Arabia in 2012, MERS is a viral respiratory disease caused by a coronavirus (Mers-CoV) that was dubbed Middle East Respiratory Syndrome because of the origin of the first cases.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that can cause diseases ranging from the common cold to Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).


However, more than 80 per cent of these cases have so far occurred in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, according to the World Health Organisation.

More recently, there have been outbreaks of MERS in South Korea and China.

A spokesman for the Royal Liverpool & Broadgreen University Hospitals Trust said: "We are treating a patient who has Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS). The patient is being cared for on our specialist infectious and tropical diseases unit, by specialist and highly trained staff who are experienced in dealing with a variety of infectious diseases.

"There is no risk to other patients or visitors.

We ask that people continue to use our services as normal and that people only come to our emergency department if their condition is serious and/or an emergency," he added.

Richard Hatchett, chief executive of the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, which is funding the development of a vaccine into the disease, said: “Emerging infectious diseases, like MERS-CoV, are spreading faster and emerging more frequently than ever before due to ecological changes, urbanisation, and increased mobility within and between countries.

In view of its epidemic potential, CEPI has prioritised development of a vaccine against MERS-CoV, in addition to Lassa and Nipah viruses. So far, we have awarded funding to three companies—Themis, Inovio, and IDT Biologika—to develop vaccine candidates against MERS-CoV. We will also be announcing funding for additional MERS vaccine development soon.”
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Well, we can't rule out MERS due to the virulence in this situation. Like we said, MERS is known to piggyback off flu, and hide in its shadow.     
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He came from Saudi Arabia (home of MERS) and flew into Manchester. He is now in Liverpool in The Royal Hospital http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6090437/Patient-diagnosed-killer-MERS-virus-Leeds.html

He initially went to hospital in Leeds. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mers-cov-case-in-england

Public Health England are "contact tracing", but put the risks at "very low".

For me, "very low" seems complacent, as he has now travelled whilst sick to 3 major cities that we know of!

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Sounds like no MERS.

Just down to seasonal flu or not. Looking good.

Seems that a bunch of sick people got on plane with the reg flu.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/06/health/uae-flight-flu-virus-bn/index.html
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They were suppose to release test results on which flu type yesterday. Wonder why the folks are still hospitalized.    
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I heard a passenger interviewed on the radio yesterday...she said all those people were sick before the plane even took off. They were coughing and sneezing so hard that she could feel the vibrations in her seat from people coughing so hard. But she definitely said they were visibly sick before the plane even left.
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Is it me, or is there some confusion between threads?

Carbon20's initial post here was on a flight into the UK and its MERS sick passenger.

Yet the thread on the American    airlines flight which arived with 100 flu-sick passengers (of which 10 were hospitalised) was here: http://www.avianflutalk.com/jfk-airport-sickness-in-plane_topic38449_post274189.html#274189

- and (set to drive yet more confusion) the two internal American flights were here: http://www.avianflutalk.com/two-planes-full-of-sick-passengers-in-philadelphia_topic38454_post274230.html#274230.

So, there are three threads on very similar issues. I believe this thread is amassing replies for the other two. Of course I could be simply confused - it happens to some people my age.
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I removed the dupe Emirates JFK thread. It didn't have any replies and it was a dupe thread. So we should just have the JFK vomit plane thread, and the American Airlines Phili Sick Plane Syndrome thread. Confused yet?
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Er.....YES! I am now very confused!

This thread started out as MERS at a UK hospital.
                                                 MERS WAS CONFIRMED by public health England.

                                                                                                     I really don't want that to get lost in our system, buried under American patients zero.

From my point of view it is vital and worrying news. He (the passenger with MERS) visited 3 cities. That is far too big a contagion risk for us to take our eyes off of the ball.

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There was also an incident at JFK with sick (x100) and hospitalised (x10) passengers on a flight from Dubai. This was originally reported here on AFT. I believe it is now confiurmed as flu. The latest update on that incident is here: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jfk-airport-passengers-quarantined-emirates-161300277.html But please don't lose our vital information in replies to this other incident.

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Even more worrying to us in the UK is the absence of information anywhere else on this subject. I would not have known about it at all, despite trawling the internet daily for health alerts, had Carbon not posted from Australia. THANK YOU, CARBON!!!

If I query Google or Yahoo on the subject, all information has dissapeared. I think it has been D-noticed (a gentleman's agreement between the media and our government not to publish news that might 'upset the public').
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I just realised there was a previous whole page of this thread.

I will take out the UK stuff and start a new thread of that.

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We never got the flu test results for the JFK vomit plane, but it seems like Sick Plane Syndrome. All of the planes seem like false alarms. Interesting test run. Glad to see people were on top of the news. :)
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LOL Techno, i did wonder if you been at the Grog,

the reporting on this one was a bit odd,

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Hello,

Looking at the day time and night time temperatures in Mecca S.A. Very hot.

Day time high - 106 F
Night time low - 83 F

The Spanish Flu did not respect temperatures either.

So, what to make of this, I cannot say. I do not know.

Hoping it is nothing.

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I don't drink from one month to the next! I was sober as a judge. I can be that dim stone cold sober.

I have had a whisky since then. I am not smarting so much at my own stupidity now.   
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If the patients aren't released tomorrow I'm going to start wondering about things.

It's rare to be hospitalized at all from the flu, let alone 10 people out of 106 that were sick. Usually when pneumonia sets in they will keep them, but it will be very odd if they're not released by tomorrow with the common flu. The passengers who were on the American Airlines flights in Phili were not hospitalized, I don't believe. Different flu?


Why those people are still there is beyond me. Either they're major wimps or there is something different with their flu. You can't tell me all 10 were violently vomiting. I would expect most out tomorrow with test results released. If not, it could get concerning.
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Do we have a MERS case or two among the sick?
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

I don't drink from one month to the next! I was sober as a judge. I can be that dim stone cold sober.




Techno, you were a judge? Interesting stuff. We definitely have people here in interesting careers.
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As sober as. I've never even judged a flower show.
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